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#2998792 Wasps moving to Coventry?

Posted by dude02 on Yesterday, 11:41 AM

So what would they be called then?
London Coventry Wasps?

Have you ever seen a wasp in Coventry? (Ok its an old line)

They've already dumped "London" from their name

#2997141 What can we do to increase attendances?

Posted by dude02 on 17 September 2014 - 11:08 AM

Aye, we don't want spin, we want to be told the truth! Where is the press release telling the whole world that crowds and viewing figures are down.


Of course you'd never get other sports using stats to tell the story they want ie. RU chief telling the world aboiut the increased vieiwing figs last season which were wholly down to more games being broadcast.


In terms of the 5% central marketing budget, whilst I agree in principle, the £200m deal would only give £10m if the 5% was taken from that level. A couple of million pound per year will not be revolutionary. 


Agree about the community work, but I think that is an area where we are pretty strong, or seemingly so. We need to get the balance right between working quietly in schools and the community and spending money on the right marketing channels.

The problem with your argument is that you're making a comparison with a complete fabrication that was made up by some poster in the cross code section.

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#2995396 RUWC 2015

Posted by dude02 on 14 September 2014 - 06:35 PM

what exactly is wrong with punters putting money into their sport?

#2993760 "And RU just keeps getting more and more popular"

Posted by dude02 on 12 September 2014 - 09:00 AM

It's possible to get crowds of over 5000 at a bass fishing tournament.

So, you're saying bass fishing is more popular than RL?

#2991527 "And RU just keeps getting more and more popular"

Posted by dude02 on 09 September 2014 - 12:46 PM

LOL, I think you are the one who needs to back up your claims.


The claim that the IRB has 102 member unions needs backing, but the claim that "most of these countries will be a few ex pats having a run around" is fine?

#2990208 Incoming Bath signing Sam Burgess will play at centre

Posted by dude02 on 07 September 2014 - 06:39 PM

Rugby League never changing - you're having a huge hypocritical blindfold moment aren't you

Union only changed when it was forced kicking and screaming by the taxman, Sport England, Parliament, House of Lords, Armed Forces and most democratic people in the country. Otherwise it wouldn't have changed and remained in some pseudo-Victorian time-warp.


It had more to do with NZ and Australia wanting to go pro and the risk of the game splitting again.

#2990205 "And RU just keeps getting more and more popular"

Posted by dude02 on 07 September 2014 - 06:37 PM

Sorry my mistake. I must have misheard the phrase 'global game' bandied about.

And their crowds, whilst not bad, (certainly compared to equivalent RL fixtures) are pretty small for USA sport.

Nobody said they weren't pretty small for USA sport. What has been said is that they are growing.

TBF I don't think the average American can tell the difference between RL and RU so an increased interest in the US for rugby will probably be good for both codes.

#2989960 "And RU just keeps getting more and more popular"

Posted by dude02 on 07 September 2014 - 03:13 PM

The quotation was made by one of our friends who prefers the 15 a side game. I thought I would just check how the quest for global domination is developing. To be totally fair to our poster, I have selected the most important game in 2014 for each country- the one where the winner qualifies directly for the RU World Cup or advances to the final play off spot. That means I have had to ignore the attendances in Madrid, Constanta, and Sochi http://en.wikipedia....e_qualification, so to avoid low blows please do not refer to that article in the debate.


Russia V Zimbabwe attendance 6500   Krasnoyarsk population 1,035,028

USA     V Canada     attendance 5,258  Charleston population 127,999 (is there some sort of stamp duty threshold, where Charleston pays more taxes for a population of 128,000?)

USA     V Uruguay    attendance 6,500 :clapping: Which major metropolis was this crucial game played in? New York, Los Angeles, Boston? Any more guesses, it was of course....................................................................................................................................Kennesaw! the town where every citizen must by law own a gun and which has population 29,783.


Purely for comparison purposes Castleford, population 39,192 had an average attendance for their dreadful 2013 Superleague season of 6292. This leaves me with two conclusions, either the Tigers are punching substantially above their weight, or perhaps the rest of the world are not so enamoured of the other code as some people think. Myself I judge it to be the former, well done the people of Castleford.

On the other hand USA sold 20k for their test vs Scotland, Canada sold 18k for their test vs Scotland, USA had already sold 30k tickets for their home game vs NZ more than two months ago and they might sell it out, Georgia got 54k for their home game vs Russia and the first day of Africa Cup was sold out in Antananarivo (40k spectators)

#2988390 This site (merged threads)

Posted by dude02 on 04 September 2014 - 02:56 PM

Seriously, most of the news pieces posted there as separate topics have no answers from any posters. It's clear the community is not very interested in them (as forum topics), and it's not like anyone on the forum isn't aware of the main site's existence. It's just pushing the proper topics out of the casual posters' eyes and into the following pages.

...please and thanks. :D



#2985943 Opinion: Rugby League exposes its own Achilles heel again

Posted by dude02 on 31 August 2014 - 03:08 PM





Perhaps you are a bit soft? :tongue:



Is that pathetic response the only comment you can muster after you have dismissed the whole wonderful and incredible history of RL in this country as , "not a proper competition".  That comment also unequivocally and disgustingly insults all the fans, players and officials who have ever watched, played  or been involved with this great game.  All this from someone who claims to be a RL fan - yeah, right!.  At the very least, I would have expected an explanation as to what you meant with your insult and, I know this is expecting too much, an apology perhaps?  If RL is not "proper", why are you even bothering to post here?


Riiiiight, I said RL is not proper now?


I stand by my statement that SL is not a proper competition. Perhaps you are not aware of the meaning of the word? There you go: http://www.oxforddic.../english/proper

"Of the required or correct type or form".

A contracting, unstable competition that is often played in terrible stadiums and whose clubs often go bust might be of the required type for you, but it isn't for many others.

#2985502 Opinion: Rugby League exposes its own Achilles heel again

Posted by dude02 on 30 August 2014 - 02:53 PM

Both the RFL and the NRL are wrong in making up rules and changing the game unilaterally. The should be consultation with the RLIF and changes should be approved by all nations and become universal to the game.

If rules need to be trialled, then let them be trialled worldwide and a consensus as to their suitability arrived at approved or not by a vote at the RLIF.

If not you will end up with two different games and no WC or international game. This is one of the few weaknesses of the AFL, no international game. Is this what you want for Australian RL?

All games wanting to be world wide have international governing bodies, FIFA, the IRB, even basketball and the USA who like to do their own thing like RL in Australia, have to conform if they want to play in World Championships, Olympics etc.

RL has no need to get to this stage. Let's standardise the rules now before it gets out of hand.

AFL and Gaelic Football seem to be capable enough to have international games despite their sports having more differences than RL has between its different sets of rules.


I agree the rules should be standardized, but I think it should be done by everyone following NRL's lead. They are the only ones that have proven to know how to create a proper competition, and everything they touch seems to turn to gold, including SOO and that 9's competition they had this year.

#2985415 The "rugby match" painting from 1893

Posted by dude02 on 30 August 2014 - 11:47 AM

There is a copy of it in Otley RUFC's bar as well.

Isn't it a game between lancashire and yorkshire.


If you look closely some players have been painted out of the picture. There was a myth perpetuated by Ian Clayton that these players were ones who joined the Northern Union and they were erased Stalin style from the painting. If this had been the case then there would hardly have been any players left in the painting. The players were painted out when the artist adjusted the composition.


It's an interesting and historically important painting and represents part of Rugby League tradition as much as Rugby Union, yet strangely you don't see it in Rugby League clubs


You get a bonus point for successfully mentioning Stalin in a discussion about a painting showing some rugby players from England.

#2984540 Opinion: Rugby League exposes its own Achilles heel again

Posted by dude02 on 29 August 2014 - 07:03 AM

Because the game exists in many other places than Australia and there should be an International neutral body with voting powers given to member nations deciding rule changes.

Suppose something really major, like saying dropping to 11 players were enacted in Europe but not in the Southern hemisphere, the game would be split into two different halves in a major way. The game needs to be played the same way worldwide or else it will diverge and disintegrate and this would not be in anybody's, including Australia's, best interests.

all there needs to happen is for the weak to follow the strong and everything will be just fine. The NRL are the best at growing the game so everyone should follow their lead. Simple.

#2983897 Opinion: Rugby League exposes its own Achilles heel again

Posted by dude02 on 28 August 2014 - 12:20 PM

The NRL is this sport's greatest achievement. I don't see what the issue is with letting them set the rules and having everyone else follow them.

#2980102 Aus v NZ

Posted by dude02 on 19 August 2014 - 05:48 PM

Not sure what your point is there WM.  You seem to be suggesting that, even though the blow out scores in union are often worse than those in League, they are only a problem in League because, in union, they have reduced from mega-blow outs to mere massive blow outs.

The point here is that the RU types are being honest about where their international game is rather than hiding away the weaker sides in their own groups like we do in order for us to be able to pretend our international game is more competitive than it really is.

You can't expect to grow a game when the game doesn't even have the dignity of being honest to itself and to its existing fans.