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2 hours ago, daz39 said:
I was the opposite - kids/house/bills in my 20's and had more money in my 30's/40's.
Obviously people have different lives. The point is that there are family tickets available for people in your situation, it just seems crazy to discount all under 30‘s IMO.
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9 minutes ago, Spidey said:
A contributing factor may be of a case of when you were in your 20s though
I wouldn’t have thought so. Even now people sharing a house with their mates should have more money then people with massive food/clothes/childcare costs that come with kids and have to rent/buy their own property.
It’s why you have family tickets.
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4 hours ago, Dave T said:
I'm not sure I get the under 30's price band. I think there is clear logic for students, u21s, families, pensioners etc. but I'm mot sure why a 28 year old fan is discounted.
Agreed. In my 20‘s I had a lot more disposable cash before kids, mortgage etc. so it seems bizarre.
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I’m not sure why I’ve been tagged in to this thread. But anyway recent Union results suggest island nations are now considered a credible threat to general ‘rugby’ fans.
In cricket Sri Lanka pop 20 million have won T20 world finals against India 20 % of World population.
In football China and India suck and England’s most successful WC campaign for 30 years got ended to a nation with the same population as Yorkshire.
It’s all about the narrative of what you are seeing and making an event out of it.
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19 minutes ago, Big Picture said:
Now you (and everyone else who reads your comment) should understand why I said that Tonga won't be a draw in the eyes of the public at large when they get there for their series with England. And going by your acquaintance's comment, I'm right too.
But you’re not if the ‘general sports fan‘s opinion’ is changed by recent results.
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Without wanting to drag this cross code, a Union loving acquaintance had a very negative, patronising view of our last World Cup to the effect of : those Islander chaps are plucky but they shouldn’t beat your top teams.
I have absolutely loved Fiji RU beating England at home and the Wallabies.
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Let’s face it though there is no country in Europe that is going to go from a really tiny amateur base to a professional league in this century.
Every time a country is suggested as a good place for rugby league it’s pointed out that Basketball/ Ice hockey/ Handball is a big pro sport there. On top of that American Football, Baseball and indigenous games that you’ve never heard of are popular amateur sports in a lot of countries.
The only crazily rapid growth I can think of recently is Cricket due to the mass immigration of the mid 2010’s. Germany went from next to nothing to 370 teams and 6,000+ players. The crucial thing is though - teams- no local players, no youth, no women. When those guys reach middle age and their children are acclimatised to other sports it could collapse to nothing.
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I’m not sure they would care. The AFL likes to make a big deal of it’s Australian origin and portray other codes as imports.
They claim it’s evolved from an Aboriginal game, rather then the more likely that it emerged from primitive football codes brought by British and Irish settlers.
In recent years the only interest they’ve had in overseas is trying to get more coin by playing a couple of AFL matches in Shanghai.
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1 hour ago, Damien said:
Unless you were a Rugby League fan you wouldn't have a clue what sport that was.
Just as a guess it may have been joint or majority funded by a certain betting company ….
The most stand out and sensibly localised tube advertising was the Sam burgess on one side of the barriers, Jonathon Thurston on the other, for everyone leaving Stratford in the week before 2016 Eng v Aus 4N.
The crowd was still disappointing though. Probably because you were either rifling through your pockets for your Oyster card or there wasn’t time to stop and read what event it was.
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The initial rebrand thread (RIP) was one of the funniest in the 20 years I’ve been on this forum.
That said even the people who were properly ripping the (myself included) were slaughtering the Jaguar on the front, anus on the back, social media/website mess and seemingly hourly tinkering with the logo- rather then the idea of rebranding to Leopards.
They rolled with it, owned it and won in it, so long live the Leopardskin.
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Average 60,000+ for challenge cup finals in London so give up and move somewhere up north in front of fewer people.
Average 35,000+ for internationals in London so give up and move somewhere up north in front of fewer people.
Is it any wonder the English game seems trapped in ever decreasing circles?
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The Cricket World Cup always drove me mad! Constant switching formats and the number of teams. It went from 9 to 12 to 14 to 16 back to 14 then to 10 and just when I’d got fed up with the whole thing England won and it didn’t matter anymore!
I think I’ve found a solution
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6 minutes ago, Click said:
Would the reputation of Millwall fans put people off travelling?
Wigan played a game there that was reasonably well attended.. They're going to watch an RL game, not a Millwall match.Because I can remember the kerfuffle on here in the build up to that same match with many not wishing to attend. This was despite myself and a few others that lived locally saying you’ll be fine, get off at the station over the bridge and you’re there.
Also many locals who attend London games are generic sports fans with an allegiance to other teams. It won’t be fairly neutral like Brentford, Charlton or Fulham or have an event factor like the big stadiums.
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3 hours ago, gingerjon said:
Just. I think maybe one of the stands is newer and it looks like there's been some superficial work as well. It wouldn't be my choice but it is pretty easy to get to from central London and not an obvious wreck like, say, Millwall's ground.
I think that’s a bit harsh on the New Den, it’s of a similar standard to the DW stadium.
I can however fully understand not playing there because the reputation of Millwall fans would put people off travelling.
It’s a shame really as it’s only a few minutes from a very well connected station in London Bridge.
Charlton is ok, but disjointed as some parts date from the 70’s, and to be brutally honest the area around it has got a lot worse since Broncos left.
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17 hours ago, Hopie said:
I seriously doubt the 10 team tournament will be 2 groups of five, NRL wants a shorter tournament not a longer one, 7 weekends (5 for groups, semis and final) will be too long for them.
If it is 2 groups of ten it would in all likelihood be a six weekend tournament. They would have the big teams playing weekends and the others having midweek matches with little turnaround time.
Union did it for years to appeal to broadcasters then got forced to admit it was very unfair.
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13 hours ago, chisholm said:
Always enjoyed Millom and had some great craic at Dewsbury Moor.
Finding that the beer prices in a lot of clubs are getting quite expensive recently.
The costs of running bars has got quite expensive recently.
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If they’d stuck with their original idea of Perpignan Mediterranee it would have been the Perps or the Meds.
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39 minutes ago, Big Picture said:
Wrong, 14 foreign born out of 26 and one of the 14 moved back to Morocco with his parents at the age of three and grew up there so he's not a heritage player. I know the numbers because I checked every single player's bio on Wikipedia. 13 out of 26 is 50%.
And as I also pointed out, Morocco could have fielded a team without those 13 heritage players, whereas the countries which depend on heritage players in RL wouldn't have any team at all without them and that's not remotely the same as the situation in other sports, even including the others which also have questionable eligibility rules.
Why don’t you try reading the posts you are replying to? Check out the bio’s of the TWENTY THREE players in the 2018 WC not the 26 in 2022.
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Realistically the only way to grow the international game both financially and in terms of exposure is to break the tennis serve between UK and OZ/NZ to host the World Cup.
We are unlikely to get anywhere near as much funding as before up here and last time down under New South Wales couldn’t even be bothered to get involved.
It unfortunately is ever decreasing circles as neither government is gonna stump up huge cash for a tournament they are guaranteed to host every 8 years.
There are of course relatively few opportunities to break the cycle. Rugby League governing bodies wise France was the only real chance and I had hopes they could hold a relatively small but successful tournament, but that has bitten the dust.
Any US bid would be driven by a promoter whose only goal is to make themselves money. This has massive risks and as seen by the due diligence test in Denver can quickly unravel.
That only really leaves a national government bid by a ‘sports washing’ nation.
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31 minutes ago, Damien said:
Please don't play BP's game and derail the thread. The heritage topic has been done to death, if you wish to discuss it please start a new thread on the subject, or revive one of the countless previous ones.
Sorry dude. I wouldn’t want to derail this fine thread. I’ll stick to Handball and Carp Fishing in future.
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15 minutes ago, HawkMan said:
But heritage players representing a country that the general populace know football exists. Next you'll tell me that the good folk of Italy, Lebanon and Scotland were huddled around their tv's or radios all agog at what their glorious National RL team was doing.
Mate I’m just responding to Big Picture’s ridiculous and wildly inaccurate challenge.
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3 hours ago, Big Picture said:
Sorry to disappoint you but only 13 of those 14 are really heritage players, because one of them moved back to Morocco with his parents at the age of 3 and grew up there. Thus their team at the FIFA World Cup was half players who grew up in Morocco and half heritage players.
Feel free to try again though.
Okey dokey chief. Morocco 2018 FIFA WC, 17 foreign born players out of 23. 73.9 % heritage players
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3 minutes ago, Big Picture said:
I'll give you the same challenge as @Damien: find me even one national team in any other sport comprised primarily of heritage players, if you can. Something tells you won't be able to, because no such team exists.
14 out of 26 of Morocco’s FIFA Semi-final squad were born overseas. What do I win?
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14 minutes ago, RP London said:
Looking at the Handball world cup that was held there in 2015 there were an awful lot of round numbers but in some games only 500 people were there.. I doubt they will be worried about numbers (even if we are) the key is that, to them, its a big occasion. They'll get some people through the gates and that will be fine..
the money to the IRL will be important..
so will who the host country is... Qatar cant just chuck a team in surely..
Yeah to them it would seem a very inexpensive tournament to host. They won’t have to accommodate thousands of athletes unlike the multi sport events and they won’t have to build a half dozen temporary stadiums unlike the Beach Games.
All the infrastructure for training and stadiums was already built for the FIFA World Cup and they have to use it for something. Literally they just need to meet the tournament costs and guarantee a few million to the IRL.
Whether we should hold the tournament there is another matter and one that’s difficult to avoid commenting on without a drift to AOB.
However the fact that so many international sport governing bodies have held there major events there in the last few years probably means we wouldn’t get as much stick for doing so.
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Club v Country. Time for realism? (Merged Threads)
in The General Rugby League Forum
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It’s an interesting question John. It could be down to who the question is delivered to. In terms of growing the game outside of the heartlands then internationals are the only way.
I’ve been vaguely aware of the dark side over the weekend, cricketers lost to Afghanistan - but still it’s quite a good story. And a few weeks ago I actually watched a netball match because England were in the final.
In terms of NRL in Vegas it’s their party and they will invite who they like and that ain’t us.