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  1. If when the league splits, they run the Challenge cup for a number of weeks, this would also allow for some international fixtures mid season. Whether that be the exiles format or France v England. Also the point about championship clubs not being able to compete with SL1 clubs. The bottom SL1 clubs don't currently spend the full cap, so it's not like the top SL2 clubs will be playing clubs maxed out on the salary cap. Also as points are carried forwards, there is an evening effect in that although the SL1 clubs will be ahead in player strength, the SL2 clubs will be ahead on points. There is only a maximum of 28 points that can be recovered during the 2nd phase. Also the championship clubs will be playing each other as well as the SL1 clubs, so they will pick up points. Mathematically it's going to be very difficult for more than one SL1 club to pull ahead of the top SL2 club. I do find the assumption that this system is complex, very insulting. We are not thick northerners with no education, no training, no prospects. We are fully educated people who can understand complex situations, some of us can do simultaneous equations, some of us can understand more than the reporters give us credit for. It took about 2 reads to understand the system. The question is money, but that is also the current question. I think there are elements of the option 3 system that can be exploited that the current system can't. but it will still take effort and a better marketing team than the current one at the RFL to exploit. The suggestion of a new league structure does not worry me. Giving the title sponsorship away to Stobart for free last year, leaving us with no one prepared to pay this year worries me. But then the SL chairmen endorsed that last year, as did the outgoing Richard Lewis who put his neck on the line, to stop a gambling company getting the gig, but then left some months later.
  2. The points do get carried forward to the new competition. Also saying that the top 8 would sort itself out is not true. Yes there are always the usual suspects, but last year Bradford (the mutli superleague champions) would have not made the cut, this year Saints would not have made the cut, only 5 or so years ago, Wigan would not have made the cut. Warrington would not have made the cut. Whilst some teams are %wise in the top 8 a lot, no one is a dead cert to be at the top of the league.
  3. Thanks for clearing that up parksider, I thought it would only be SL chairmen who got a vote. If it's down to all clubs to get a vote, then I think option 3 will certainly carry the day.
  4. If I had to guess their choices. Yes Wigan, Warrington, , Saints, Huddersfield, Bradford, London, Salford No Wakefield, Widnes, Leeds, Catalan, Castleford, Not sure Hull KR, Hull I think Wigan, Warrington and Saints would all like more games against each other as these provide pretty much sell outs, therefore more cash in the coffers. I think Bradford, Salford and Huddersfield are all aspiring to be top 8 clubs wanting to be winners so securing that top 8 will be good for them. London I think would vote yes as it would take some pressure off them in terms of competiting against clubs with 10 times the amount of fans, but would not lead to them dropping out of the top flight. I think Wakey and Cas who have put a lot into staying in SL, would not welcome the possibility of Yo-yo ing. Same for Widnes. I think Leeds probably don't care one way or the other. Catalans might fear a bad run axing them from SL all together. Hull FC and Hull KR, I could not even speculate as to what they may think, it could end up taking their derby away or at least the possiblity of the return fixture. So it could be a tight vote. But it's all speculation until a chairman comes out for or against the idea.
  5. In the end would it not like all decisions come down to SL chairmen. So surely only their opinion matters. That being the case which way would they vote???
  6. Well it's fair to say the article certainly shows which camp Martyn sits in, and that is fine, everyone is allowed an opinion. I would argue that some of the assumptions made in the article are flawed or not very well explained. For example the effect on the challenge cup, it maybe that Martyn knows more about the set up of the competition, but I can't see why it should be effected by the option 3 structure. In fact I would say option 3 allows for a revamp of the CC into a more condensed competition. Currently the CC is spread over a huge chunk of the season, meaning that our national TV coverage free to air has no consistency and does not allow for a period of concentrated coverage. If you place the CC between the split period, you allow it week to week coverage so something for the Beeb to sink their teeth into, like they can with the 6 nations. But also clubs knocked out, will get that recovery period, which will be helpful to the players, and clubs to recuperate. There is a good point about the playoffs lacking meaning for the middle 8, however it does not cover the fact that it should provide a boost to the middle 8 clubs for the other 14 games as they jostle for position.
  7. Our go forward was poor, but had we held strong in defence for 20 minutes that would not have mattered too much. Maybe it's too soon for analysis, but we had no impact from the forwards or backs.
  8. I'd be more depressed, but we did'nt look in it from 20 minutes. So the pain was eased early on. A small mercy from Wigan.
  9. I'm a Saints fan, and I'm here. Don't forget most Saints will still be at the match, but I think when they do comeback they will say that Wigan where the bette team. The only reason I'm here is because I'm with my wife whose having contractions on our 2nd child otherwise I'd be stuck in Manchester dissapointed instead of at home disappointed but with bigger issues to deal with.
  10. I would agree but Anderson has the CC finals in his favour, so I would get shouted down by Saints fans on that. Don't get me wrong I don't think Anderson or Potter are bad coaches. I think they are very good, but I just don't get that feeling of passion from them that other coaches seam to give to their teams and it's that passion and motivation that I think you need from coaches to motivate you for a final. I know people will say players should already be motivated for a final , but if the coach does not mirror that I imagine teams talks may leave you feeling pretty flat before kick off. Even if you look at dressing rooms before the walk onto the pitch, Saints were all wandering about Wigan where a group. Again before kick off after the minutes silence Wigan where a group. Years ago, Saints used to build up as a group in the dressing room psychicing themselves up now it's hands in the middle at best usually with a few people still wandering around. Wigan where focused and motivated, and deserved winners. You have no idea how hard it is for me to say that.
  11. Potter will transform Bradford, as a club builder he is probably 2nd to none. That is what bradford need. He will turn Bradford into a top 4 club IMHO no problem. I just think Saints when we play at our best have attacking ideas and off the cuff play all over the field. We are now an efficient team that can make a top 4 spot. But this season and last when it has come to important games where something is on the line that invention has gone.. Bradfords needs and SAints needs are 2 entirely different things. I just hope the new man enjoys open attacking rugby and is not 100% drill oriantated.
  12. Well done Wigan. I'm gutted that yet again Saints have come to a final not ready to start. It's as though anything off the cuff has been coached out of the side. I know there has been alot of talk that Saints where without our half back combination. But those 16 points that Wigan ran in at the start had nothing to do with missing half backs purely Wigan where at a final and knew it. Saints just looked like they where trotting out for yet another game. The only inventive stuff we did was once the game was already gone. It did not look like the coach had any special plays or combinations lined up. For Wigan every player went out there not expecting to win but with the understanding that it's a final and you have to play the whole game with intensity if you want to win. Saints for 20 minutes where just trotting around with no intensity in the tackles. Wigan have been consistently the best all year and are truely worthy champions. Gutted. Again.
  13. I understand the hesitation to put pressure on your own side at the start. But for me when it's 0 - 0 with 80 minutes to go you can take a bit of pressure. When you're 2 tries down and chasing the game, that when you're already under pressure and taking risks just looks like desparation. I'd much rather take a risk in their half than have to throw it about in our own. Besides, makes it a little more interesting.
  14. Looks like they have shelved the 9:30 showing in favour of a football preview.
  15. It may seam that I'm being a bit silly with the opening gambit. But I believe that you have to be able to do something different. I think a short kickoff or an attempt to kick to touch, or even an immediate kick return are valid to try in the opening minutes. If you're going to play a grand final should you play percentages or try to push the play and take a few risks.
  16. Also for an opening gambit, on Saints first set of 6 how about, 2nd tackle Graham runs the ball at Deacon, 3rd tackle Puletua runs ball at deacon, 4th tackle Soliola runs ball at deacon, 5th tackle a scoot from Cunningham at deacon. Deacon looked like a weak link in the line during the Leeds match and I think a few big fella's taking it to him in the opening half will tired those old legs and either go through him or make his kicking for territory less effective. Also we surely must take a leaf out of the Leeds tactics and when we are kicking from deep make sure Tomkins has to chase the ball on the ground not give him easy catches to run the ball back 20 meters. I think Leeds had a good game plan but just lacked the ability on that day to take scores from their field position and possession.
  17. I think the Eastmond decision is a blessing in disguise. Don't get me wrong a fully fit eastmond would be one of the first names on the team sheet. But this Eastmond has been out for 3 months, playing only matches in that time and each time leaving the field after injury in the first half. Even if he was healthy and unijured, it does not mean he is at the pace and fitness needed for a GF. And as his speed of foot is his main attribute it would be another gamble. I don't think in a GF you can do what Saints did in the semi and carry a player. All 17 have to be able to contribute. Lomax will perform just fine. For me the half backs are not the worry, it's the meli conundrum. Outstanding in attack, lethal in defense (lethal for Saints). I'd play him at centre in defence every time. But the question is, do you play gardner outside him who is also dodgy at times under the high ball. (but much better when men run at him). If I had to pick the team I'd gamble and say yes. This would be my pick 1. Paul Wellens, 2. Ade Gardner, 5. Francis Meli, 30. Jamie Foster, 3. Matt Gidley, 24. Jonny Lomax, 34. Matty Smith. 15. Bryn Hargreaves, 9. Keiron Cunningham, 10. James Graham, 4. Sia Soliola, 11. Tony Puletua, 13. Chris Flannery, 12. Jon Wilkin, 14. James Roby, 17. Paul Clough, 18. Matty Ashurst, Although dixon and emitt could replace ashurst if he's not match fit. It gives us a very strong pack for the opening of the game, with some speed to come on from the bench. Clough will be fine to interchange with Hargreaves and I think after the opening, when wilkin or ashurst comes on. Puletua would move up to make a 4th prop. You could start with puletua on the bench, but Potter has not favoured doing that. I think there is enough rotation in the pack to be able to move people about. Especially if we need to defend solidly.
  18. I think if it's close Wigan will nab it. I'm expecting Saints to go at Wigan hard in the opening 20 minutes. If we get 2 scores ahead, that will be enough. Wigan will peg us back but we'll have enough of a cushion and occasionally score some back. I'm going for Saints by 10. If it's evens at half time I imagine that will be enough for wigan to seal it in the final 40 mins. Wigan's defence was good at leeds but we can't forget, that the week before Hull KR took them on and got ahead in the game. Also the week before, Leeds took it to Wigan and came out victors. Get ontop of them at the start and the Wigan defense has to be sacrificed for more open attacking play.
  19. The maximum capacity for the GF is always difficult to measure, as the ground keeps increasing in size and the Big screen takes out a random number of seat. You can only go off the RFL if they say it's a sell out as only they will know if they have run out of tickets. I would imagine the ends will fill pretty quickly. Whether both sides will be full is always tricky, especially that 3rd tier. This will be the first GF I will have missed for a few years now, but I'm sure the extras as I like to call them will make up the numbers. I know people call them all glory hunters but every club needs it's occasional big game watchers, as it shows that the fan base has room to expand. If each club could only rustle up the same support for a final as a regular league match we would truely know that RL had expanded to capacity and had no further growth possible. Also not all the extra fans are glory hunters, some will be fans that turn up as and when they can because of work commitments. So even though Saints have an average of 10k, I very much doubt the same 10k turn up each week. Some fans may come to 5 or 6 games whilst others can only make it to a different 5 or 6.
  20. I read this and then had to go to sporting life to make sure, as it seamed completely unreal. As a Saint (and one at that who would call Newton everything under the sun on the field of play) I would be very surprised if there was not a minutes silence for Terry Newton next week and black armbands all round. The man was a giant for Wigan and just because the next game in the season is a final, I see no reason why his passing should not be honoured. There is alot that can be said about the man, but first and foremost he was a RL player who deserves to be honoured the same as every RL player would be. Biographys and opinions can wait for a more appropriate occasion.
  21. Well I thought some one would have started a thread by now, so apologies if they have. Saints v Wigan. It's been a few years in the making. Both teams turned it on in the 2nd half, both teams saw off their semi final opponents by 20 points. Funnily enough both teams made it to the final in the same manner as their season has been. Saints a bit shakey, a few weird positional choices and an injury picked up mid game to a half back again. Wigan looked solid in defense the whole match. Took everything that the opposition had and then moved on. Best attack meets best defense 1v2 Wrong side of the hill v the right side of the hill. Enjoy!!!!
  22. For me Wigan have to be favourites. They have pretty much a full side out there, where as Leeds are fast running out of bodies. Leeds have the home advantage and although Nathan Brown does not believe in such things, I think that was more talk for th motivation of his own team. Home advantage may make little difference to huddersfield as at their home the crowd do not seam to be able to make enough noise to make an impact in such a large ground. But last night you could see how when the noise lifted the players and got on the huddersfield teams backs. I think the south standers are also capable of being the 18th man for Leeds which may just lift them. I'm sure when kicking goals, goal kickers would rather hear support or quiet rather than abuse and off putting comments when kicking. The same goes for those players who get wound up emotionally who can play up to the crowd when they get on their backs. I'm sure Fielden will be getting lots of comments reminding him of when he used to be a great from Bradford and when he used to be one of the great props in RL. It may only be said to be off putting, but sometimes comments can hit home.
  23. So I take it that you also believe the same of Tiger Woods. They greatest golfer to grace the planet in most professionals minds. However if we use your measure of a man, has played poorly in USA teams in every rider cup. So just an good golf from the USA, not the best ever. You mention Cunningham's International career, but it's quite well known that for the last 5 years, he has been retired from international Rugby. And prior to that he always seamed to be injured for the international season. During that time Terry Newton played hooker for GB more than Cunningham did, however during the actual domestic season Newton would be 2nd or even 3rd behind the likes of Jimmy Lowes. However Jimmy lowes face just did not fit with the GB coaching set up. I don't recall Farrell or Hanley or Scofield or sculthorpe actually winning anything internationally. The GB side has been on a 40 year losing streak, but just because the GB side is poor does not mean all of the above can be discounted as legends. If it's the attention from SKY that you're decrying, well that's fair enough, Sculthorpe did not get this, but his career was cut unexpectedly short. Farrell did not retire but moved on and was also out with injury for his last year (but we still got to see his bashed up nose on reruns). Sky where not into the hype as much at the time of hanley and Scofield was gone long before that. The same could have been said for cunningham if he had actually had a broken jaw from the crusaders game. If his career ended short in that game there would have been none of the adulation that he has been given. I would not expect the same for Morley, but I'm sure when briers calls it a day he too will be given the credit he deserves he also has carried the warrington team for the last 10 years until the rest of the stars came when the money arrived. Briers is another who face did not fit with the GB coaching team set up, but that does not deny the quality of the man just because he's not the insitutions cover boy.
  24. Not turning on Kyle by any means, but you can't expect a half back to be on top form after missing the last 8 matches. Potter was 50/50, whether to play the guy, that in my opinion means you don't play him. Unless he's showing 80 to 90% in training, then why bother. It's the jumbling of the team for a half fit player that will not serve us well. You have to pick those on form who are fit. Kyle will be back to his brilliant self soon enough. This is his first year at the 1st pick for number 7, he has alot of years ahead of him and there is no need to rush him back to be carried through a game. We played the 2nd half with 16 men but the first half Eastmond did not contribute, either because he was nervous of injury, not match fit, or just not up to speed with the team after not having played for the best part of 2 to 3 months. Smith was by no means as effective as he was against warrington, but he was still in the game even when we where getting pegged back. Supposedly Fasavalu was fit for the warrington game, but I don't see us playing him, probably because he's not match ready, but the same rule does not seam to apply for eastmond. If it was a league game fair enough but in knock out football you can't afford to carry anyone just because they are a big name who may or may not impact on the game.
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