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Wholly Trinity

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  1. So, potentially 3 elite academies in Wakefield District next year? I think the argument is for quality over quantity with the added bonus of increased geographical spread. It needs the sums to be done to get the balance right between developing the top youngsters and impinging on community clubs. How many academy players get 1st team contracts each year across the sport?
  2. Not heard of this. That would seem unfair if only selected SL clubs get an extra 200k? What do other clubs get in return? A draft system? Regional academies would make sense in the heartlands, but who runs them?
  3. This was a "plan" of the previous owner from 2017 before the club secured the freehold of the stadium and surrounding land. This is not the current plan. Phase 1 only comprises a new all-seater stand with facities and renovation of the current terraced stand.
  4. https://www.runcornandwidnesworld.co.uk/sport/19319607.rugby-league-clubs-awarded-elite-academy-licences-2022-27/?ref=rss The criteria are set out in the article above. There was potential for up to 12 academies but only 10 were initially awarded elite status according to these criteria. The advantages of having an elite academy seem to be overplayed. From a purely Wakefield perspective there is clearly no salary cap loophole advantage as they currently do not use the current limit. The financial cost has been widely put at £400k per year. Is this value for money? Or would that be better spent on the first team to get closer to equal spend with other clubs? The benefits for a club like Wakefield are in recruitment/development of quality players over the medium/long term. Signing established players is more expensive and difficult for such a club which cannot offer success or even top quality facilities.
  5. Yes, bad management was to blame, but giving away gold bars to increase attendance is also bad management. The attendance would not have increased without this bad management. 4k before and 4k after. There is latent support for Wakefield, but lack of success means they're not prepared to pay full price and discounts were not sustainable.
  6. I don't have access to actual income figures, as I suspect you don't either, but losing 600k per year and almost entering administration for a second time in 3 years suggests it was unsustainable. On top of huge discounts for season tickets, there were many freebies given out. It was a gamble for instant success which didn't pay off. Merchandising was also particularly poor at that time, lots of cheap tat, not least the Macron replica shirts. "Scrimping" is only a race to the bottom if the business is shrinking rather than growing, however slowly. The alternative of spending money you don't have without an "investor" is a huge gamble with the future of the club (see Bradford). Trinity have certainly been "getting away with it" for over 20 years now, but the growth of other clubs means that time is running out. Hopefully, the new development will increase income and therefore competitiveness. Otherwise, the end is nigh. Finishing in the top 10 for the last 6 years has been against the odds for a club with the lowest cap spend, but investment in other aspects of the club (youth, community, women, minority groups) has strengthened the infrastructure. Diverting cash to the first team only (Salford?) and spending above income was, and is, a big short-term gamble. It is yet to be decided whether this longer-term approach will succeed, but the alternative did and would have failed. Sub 5k attendances are unsustainable in the long term, but slow growth whilst maintaining SL status was really the only option, despite the poor optics. P.S. I don't think the database was lost, that was from 2 regimes ago
  7. Using Wakefield's figures is somewhat disingenuous as this was a period where attendance figures were important to licensing. Probably half of that 8k weren't actually paying, and the club almost went bust again shortly after as the then owner was losing 600k per year. Steady growth has taken place from 3.9k to 4.7k. With no significant external finance and no on-field success, it is understandable even if unsatisfactory. The important metric is income not attendance figures.
  8. Yes, a similar result of an away win would be my choice too Not sure what's happening mentally within the squads of both clubs atm, but whichever sorts it out will get a comfortable win. Leeds must be favourites on this count with their new coach, but at least Wakefield will have some centres playing this time.
  9. If he's the anser, I'm not sure what the question is.
  10. You should be able to get it on the Internet only link where there's no soccer. During the match only. https://www.rugbyleagueontv.com/radio
  11. Ok, but you're comparing chalk and cheese. Huddersfield and Wakefield are in completely different situations. Huddersfield have someone to supplement any shortfall in income and as such can give discounts for attendance (especially season tickets). Wakefield have an accountant in charge and no sugar daddy. They must maximise income in a limited market (poor/limited facilities and decades of no success). £25 x 4000 = £100k. If it was £10 entry they would need 10k attendance to match this amount. How many do you think would attend at £10 in current circumstances? 5 or 6k? Half the income.(Capacity is currently limited to 7k anyway). ATEOTD income not attendance is king in professional sport. Despite the cheaper prices and "better experience", Huddersfield's crowds are not much better. From a personal point of view, I find the "experience" at Huddersfield far inferior. I dislike sitting to watch RL and lack of atmosphere makes it bland. I might as well stay at home and watch on TV. My sofa is more comfortable than a plastic seat. Under the previous administration Wakefield were getting 8k crowds in a "pile 'em high, sell 'em cheap" mentality, but the owner was losing £600k a year which almost sent the club bust. It's a difficult and slow process growing a club like Wakefield and they've ridden their luck, but there are no quick fixes without a sugar daddy and they've progressed immensely since 2015. The changes are not obvious to outsiders, but they are truly on the verge of turning it around.
  12. Ahem... Wakefield were back to back champions in 1967 and 1968, so much more recent than the early 60s It is though one of the major factors in retaining fans. Castleford and Featherstone have had more success in living memory.
  13. Not looking for excuses, but we were 12 1st/2nd choice players missing and we were digging deeply into the squad. Previously, we had got away with it as the pack was not too heavily affected, barring Dave Fifita. Today the pack was very scant, particularly on the bench. Added to that Minns (first game back) went off with a head knock after scoring his try on 10 minutes which needed a rejig and then the straw that broke the camel's back was probably the sin-binning of Tanginoa which opened the floodgates. We were never really going to win the game with the players available, but the one-sided scoreline was probably a reflection more bad luck/discipline. I'm hoping this was a one-off squad and some first choice players will be fit/refreshed and available for Hull KR next week.
  14. Is it? Can you point me to the law which specifies this? Clearly, this is outside the UK and I'm not sure of the laws there, but inside the UK (afaik) it's only illegal at a designated (association) football match, I.e. not applicable to RL. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1991/19/contents
  15. £15 (£5 kids) for Trin v Pies on Sunday https://trinity.mysportstickets.co.uk/events/home/Wigan_Warriors_967
  16. Corey Hall hardly gets a mentioned but he has been absolute class and not put a foot wrong. His awareness and decision making are excellent. Bill Tupou will have to be at his all time best to displace him.
  17. I'm not sure you can clearly see his passing action from there. At the moment of release TJ is behind him and running at a similar pace and he doesn't accelerate onto the ball. He doesn't have to pass backwards only not forwards. You end up with the optical illusion like 6 min plus on the training video below.
  18. Interesting one that. A real tester of people's understanding of a forward pass. The ball itself clearly goes forward as it crosses a line on the pitch, but that doesn't make it a forward pass. It's relative to the passer, not the pitch (unlike knock-ons). However, Hood gets stopped by the Salford defender at the exact moment he releases the ball. How did it come out of his hands? If he'd continued, where would he have got to? Difficult to judge from the reverse angle. The touch judge was in the best position to see it. 50/50 at worst. Flat is OK.
  19. Indeed. It seemed last year that Dave Fifita and Tom Johnstone were our only attacking threats. Last week, neither of them played and the team still looked strong in attack. Corey Hall's quick pass for Lewis Murphy's try, under pressure from 2 defenders was pure class. Reece Lyne and Liam Kay on the other wing were not too sloppy either. The pack performed well as a unit. Feeling as confident as is possible for a Trinity fan. Trin 26 Salford 12.
  20. It can't be an insurmountable problem. The tickets are only for season ticket holders. Each club knows how many they've sold. For the cup, the RFL could either 1. agree a price beforehand (so that each club can decide how much extra to charge for STs) and each club then pays for the number sold/exchanged, then the total income minus expenses is distributed as usual or 2. the RFL could give these tickets according to the clubs ST numbers and allow the clubs to keep the income from the ST. Any unused tickets returned. Any additional income minus expenses is then distributed as normal. The price of season tickets would still be determined by each club. For play-off games (I guess the home team keeps all the receipts?) then an agreement of what to charge for away season ticket holders needs to be agreed beforehand as above. Co-operative systems are already in place: How does it work for discounted MW tickets for ST holders? How does the away team keep a % of regular season ticket prices for those sold through their own club shop?
  21. I think this may be Oxen's corporate mission statement "You can never have too many mugs prepared to buy cheap tat at inflated prices"
  22. It's true that the magic of the cup has waned over the years. Despite life being more instant, there is a lot more competition for people's disposable time and money. People want "events" and need to plan ahead. Magic weekend and the GF have taken away some of the special feel of the cup. I can't help feeling that there's a certain amount of hangman's paradox about knock-out comps these days. You can either win or lose. If you win you can always go to the next round and who wants to go see their team lose? So how would I revive the challenge cup? I've wittered on about the structure before. It needs a uniqueness about it. I'd follow the lead of the semi-finals. The last 16 and quarters would also be played as double-headers, on neutral RL grounds. This would bring cost savings to the clubs and TV companies. A single draw would be made before that point (a bit like the knock-out phase of a world cup). This could comprise a TV event of its own. Then each team will know where and when they'll be playing (should they progress) right up to the final. Each double-header would be paired so that the respective winners meet in the next round to make the other game of interest to the other group of fans. The cup (and play-offs) should be included in full season tickets, at a cost. The renewal price for the season ticket the following year would be discounted dependent on how many matches your team actually takes part in. Match tickets would be offered to season ticket holders of the 4 clubs involved first (free), then their other fans (to pay) then neutrals and then perhaps top-up with season ticket holders of clubs knocked out.
  23. I think where you go as a home fan is a habit. Changing that habit is usually caused by a change in circumstances. At BV for me that was the demolition of 2 stands and putting a roof over the North Terrace. I don't think the East Stand has ever been the first choice of fans and even the terracing down the front is fairly sparsely populated. The rebuild might prompt another shift. Another factor, in the summer, is that the East Stand gets direct sun during the afternoon. Unless you're in the shade of the roof, you're looking into the sun.
  24. Unfortunately, there is no funding as yet to do anything with the Western side. The main focus is building income-generating facilities on the other sides. The west is bigger than it looks and used to have a small stand with changing rooms and bar below. This was demolished in the 80s following the Bradford fire. It's as big as the current East side, but would need camera positions above any development which I think prevented extending the new roof across the full length 10 years ago. http://www.trinityheritage.co.uk/through-the-years/
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