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The Frying Scotsman

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  1. Just now, Harry Stottle said:

    But there is a thing called pride, perhaps he had a discussion with the man in the mirror and asked him would I and could I really help these guys out in the Red of MY COUNTRY, the reply from the guy looking back would be yes definatley but F*#€ Them.

     

    Harry. You have still not answered my question. How much do they get paid please? 

    You are making judgements about him putting his body on the line as a professional. I assume therefore that you are aware of how much he gets paid for doing so. Otherwise you would be rambling ignorantly like some drunk down the working men's club, and I am sure you are not ignorant. So please could you answer my question, instead of making uninformed assertions about "my mates" who you know nothing about?

    Also.... Why do you put "MY COUNTRY" in capitals? What if he cgaf about his country? What if he isn't remotely nationalistic?? Does it make him a bad person? Does it make him a worse professional?? Maybe he no longer identifies particularly closely as being Welsh.... Who knows?

    Harry I have no idea how old you are, but your comments resonate like someone who is stuck in the 1980s when the Falklands War was on, and rugby league was played by guys who worked in a coalmine all week and picked up a few quid on the side. It's all "my country" this and "pride" that. Does the "red jersey of his country" pay for his kids' school clothes?  You honestly sound like you are stuck in a timewarp. You are one of the most judgemental people I have ever encountered. 

  2. 2 hours ago, Eddie said:

    This is odd, Frying Scotsman says no English fans can be bothered to go. 

    Of course a few will make it over. There will be hardly any though. A pitiful away support. Here's hoping the ones that do go are better behaved than the featherstone rovers fans who were racially abusing a group of us at the Toulouse game. It was like something out of the 1970s.... Desperate desperate stuff. 

     

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  3. 3 hours ago, paulwalker71 said:

    Haha, I literally came here to say that!

    Apparently Wales RL didn't meet his high standards - despite the fact that SL players like Regan Grace, Morgan Knowles, Elliot Kear, Craig Kopczak, Rhys Evans, Rhys Williams - among others - didn't seem to think that the Welsh set up presented a problem to their participation

    Delusional 😄

    Really daft citing guys like Rhys Evans and Morgan Knowles as examples. They have played like 4 or 5 games for Wales if they are lucky.

    Flower has played 17 matches for Wales. More than both these guys put together!  Maybe he was just fed up with it? Maybe he didn't feel the team was particularly Welsh (it isn't), or maybe he didn't feel that enthused about trotting out in front of 350 fans at a village rugby union ground, in a meaningless game?

    Either way.... He played for the team a lot, and then one day decided it was no longer worth his while. Big deal - he is a professional, who was putting his body on the line when he played... It is his choice. 

  4. 38 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:

     

    Maybe the feedback they get from coaches is that they would rather settle everything down and begin again from the middle of the field. So they can "go through their processes". Evidence that a pedestrian orthodoxy has taken hold of their thinking. 

     

    The odd thing about that, is that in almost every other decision taken around rules/refereeing etc, the priority seems to have been to speed up the game, and continually make it quicker.

    That is why it makes no sense to me. 

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  5. 2 hours ago, Harry Stottle said:

    Fine if that is your take on it, I suppose non of your mates could rely on you for back-up.

    Just answer my question Harry. How much do Wales RL pay the players?

    How much does this professional sportsman get paid for playing professional Rugby League for Wales? 

    Thanks. (You must know, as you are able to judge him as "showing his true colours" and "what kind of man he is" based on his decision not to make himself available). 

    #judgmental

     

  6. On 28/09/2021 at 10:19, Harry Stottle said:

    he showed his true colours about what kind of man he is when he refused to play for Wales, I seem to recall the standard of his to be teammate's were not to his liking, or words to that effect was his reasoning. 

    How much do Wales RL pay per match, out of interest?

    The guy was a professional athlete. If he didn't want to risk injury (and loss of career/earnings) putting his body on the line for "Wales Rugby League" in a game surrounded by part-time semi-amateur players, with probably quite limited sports science support in a possibly quite unprofessional environment, that is absolutely up to him. I think most other professionals wouldn't blame him either. 

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  7. 8 hours ago, unapologetic pedant said:

    If you mean incorrect PTBs, they`re not looking to pick them up. The rollball is now officially legal in the UK. Check out the RFL`s video where "balance and control" are the stated requirements. Of course, the rulebook still says something totally different.

     

    No. I'm talking about stopping the game after a handling error instead of applying "play on, zero tackle".

    The same point that you brought up! I can't understand how it is not picked up in the review process.

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  8. 3 minutes ago, unapologetic pedant said:

    I`d be interested more generally to know what the "post match review process" entails at all levels of the game. What is said about the PTB, for instance?

     

    Total Rugby League (the magazine version of this forum) did a decent article about 3 years ago on this (at SuperLeague level). 

    As the refs are professional, the review process sounded pretty good, and very thorough indeed. This makes it even more strange that it is not being picked up/corrected. 

  9. 8 minutes ago, theswanmcr said:

    Would be this be the same ‘woke’ BBC who are covering the RLWC in full with every game live? The same ‘woke’ BBC who cover the sports premier knockout competition? The same woke BBC who have secondary and radio rights for the Super League etc etc.

    Your posts have been one long boring political dig at the ‘woke’ BBC from the start.

    The truth is why should any broadcaster shift its schedule at late notice for a one-off meaningless friendly. Offer the BBC, or anyone really, a meaningful and regular international tournament and they will be be interested- not some quick back of the fag packet friendly after the sport has forced them to completely rip up its TV and radio schedules by cancelling the World Cup at the last minute.

    This. 100%.

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  10. 6 hours ago, unapologetic pedant said:

    Contemporary refereeing is an obstacle in this. Specifically, phantom double knock-on calls and misguided application of the zero tackle rule. All the more frustrating in the UK at the moment with scrums replaced with PTBs.

    It`s standard now for a team to lose the ball, opposition regather, you hear the ref call "no advantage" and go trotting off to the middle for a slow-motion tackle 1 PTB against a set defence.

    As you say in most cases when a team gain possession following an opposition error their best option is "play-on, zero tackle". For the ref to stop the game there ought to be not just no advantage, but a significant disadvantage.

    My hunch as to why this is happening is that we now have a generation of officials who don`t remember the introduction of zero tackle. They`re not conscious that it`s purpose was to encourage "play-on".

    And there`s the triggering effect of seeing the ball on the ground and the consequent desire to draw a clearer line under anything that looks untidy. Worse in Oz, but a factor over here too.

    I often think it could be fitness related. Not that that officials aren't fit, but the tempo of the game is so high at times, that they may subconsciously look for an opportunity for a stoppage.

    It is far weirder though how it is not picked up in their post match review process! That suggests that the RFL/NRL are happy to have those slow motion restarts against a set D line, and as you say, is completely against the principles of the sport. It is definitely a factor in the UK as you say. 

  11. 5 hours ago, Eddie said:

     The fact is enough people would watch to make it something the bbc should show, let’s face it RL just isn’t woke enough for them to be interested in. 

    @Eddie how is that a fact?? Who says this friendly game against an opponent that is not even fully professional, should be broadcast by BBC ahead of whatever else they are showing that night??

    And more to the point, what do you mean by the second part? "Woke enough" ? Am not sure what that means, sorry. Rugby League is a sport, that is not very popular across the wider UK population. It is a small-time local sport, and that is largely reflected in small-time local media coverage.

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  12. 17 hours ago, fighting irish said:

    You're wasting your time Eddie, he has nothing of any value to contribute, pure negativity and the Chip Fat Jock is just a troll. 

    I wasn't trolling anyone. 

    Some misguided northerner was bleating on about "giving the licence payers what they want" when there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that "the licence payers" want to watch this friendly international rugby league match. The fact that it is only likely to sell about 7000 tickets backs this up, as does the fact that hardly any fans from the UK will be bothered traveling to watch it live. 

    There are 26 million TV licences in the UK. That population clearly does not "want" on average to sit down and watch this Rugby League friendly!!!

    Get a grip FFS. The wider public couldn't care less about this game.

     

     

  13. 1 hour ago, Tommygilf said:

    Plenty of Aussies, Kiwis and Saffas come over and "work/play" for local cricket clubs in Britain tbf. Its not abnormal per se.

    It is for Rugby League in the UK. League 1 is classed as a "professional" league. (Laughable, I know) so work permit regulations come into force. 

    London Skolars were caught out badly a few years ago, when they had put together a decent side. Their foreign players had to leave the club. A lot of them started playing rugby union in 'amateur' leagues for more money than Skolars had been paying them.

    The level at Skolars tanked immediately after that.

     

  14. On 23/09/2021 at 07:07, Cerulean said:

    No apologies for this, and I can be annoying over it, but:

    attempt to sanitise the game, reject where it came from, regard the lower clubs as an embarrassment and the history as distracting, creates an activity which can be lost in a morass of other modern entertainment endeavours

     

    No apology needed mate! I completely agree, the game should not be sanitised. 

    For example, the CC semi final in 2000 has to be one of the most iconic RL moments for a lot of people. Hull v Leeds... The Rhinos won it and the drunken Hull mob went berserk. Police horses on the pitch, goalposts torn down (injuring a steward) and the Hull yobs attacking anything that moved.  

    Sure... It wasn't The Open, or Wimbledon, or the Olympics, but it was broadcast nationwide on BBC, and to a lot of people that IS their only experience of Rugby League. A gritty, northern sport followed by folk who they have absolutely nothing in common with. Perhaps we need to embrace that 'edginess' a bit. Sports like football have completely lost that, and perhaps RL could fill the void. We need to stop this 'sanitising' as you say. 20 years now since this iconic moment:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sport/rugby_league/692098.stm

  15. 5 hours ago, Mr Frisky said:

    Its not too bad, they also show all the highlights from the games the following day - one reason i don't watch the SL show these days.

    It's abysmal. 

    The Salford St Helens game still wasn't uploaded 48 hours later. There is no commentary, no caption showing the score. The coverage is absolute garbage. 

    It USED to be good .... A number of years ago now, when they would do a little behind the scenes video on game day. This stopped about 8 or so years ago. The standard nowadays is miles behind that, and miles behind other sports too. 

    They were producing this quality of content 7 years ago. At the time, it shaped up well against pretty much any sport, and made the SuperLeague look really good. Contrast it to the low budget garbage that comes out now. 

     

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  16. 8 minutes ago, Mr Frisky said:

    If you play for Wakey you don't have to live in Wakey lad - there are some cracking villages and countryside around that area if its quality of life you want. Leeds on door step if you want the city trappings etc etc

    Do you think if you play for say Paramatta in the NRL most of their players live out in the West of Sydney which is basically a massive crime ridden housing estate? - no chance!

    Your hatred of England and SL is starting to consume you kid.

    None of this garbage changes anything I said. 

    He is choosing Japan as a place to live over West Yorkshire. And who can blame him? It is probably the chance of a lifetime for him FFS, "lad'.

     

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  17. 16 hours ago, Bring back the Boyd said:

    Ferguson who, let’s face it, if he’s considering Japan RU, money seems his goal at this point in his career and who can blame him

    Money and probably lifestyle too. He is choosing Japan as a place to live, over places like Wakefield, Castleford or Hull. And who can blame him? 

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  18. 7 hours ago, The Rocket said:

    Catalans viewing figures means people want to watch the Les Dracs, give them a rival everybody hates, do you have a Manly ? put them up against them.

     

    We do, yeah. Featherstone Rovers. Fortunately they are not in the Super League though, and hopefully never will be. 

    Les Dracs would be a popular "2nd team" for quite a lot of SuperLeague supporters I would guess.

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