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To clarify, by massive interest I meant those multi millionaires who were going to establish new clubs, not spectator numbers.

Perez made the claims with regard to Toronto and NA don't try and deflect the argument back onto other clubs. Where is he and how close is he to backing up his claims? NB trying to keep on topic Perez and by logical extension TWP and Argyle.

I truly hope that TWP finish top of the pile and as such are entitled to join the "super" league. I also truly hope that a week after the powers that control Rugby League then decide to promote Halifax instead and that the assorted curs you have imported slink back across the Atlantic/Pacific, and Toronto are told to start to show some signs of fulfilling the hype about local players and a massive interest in Rugby League in the north american continent that Perez promoted, now not in 3 or 5 or 10 years time. PS you can keep Rowley.

You have obviously been at the pipe again, people in London don't give a monkeys about Rugby League, and now you are saying that the miniscule number that do actually turn out support both teams, that idea makes the pathetic level of support even more ridiculous.

Answer unequivocally, do you believe Keighley being denied a place in the top tier was justified.

Exactly, and do you think that each team will get an equal number of appearances, or maybe that the fixtures will be planned for the season, then put into a bag and drawn at random thus making it possible for the potential lowest ability team in super league to be on sky every week and thus get a bigger slice of the pie than Wigan?.No it will be the same half a dozen chairmen along with Sky, so no prizes for guessing whose teams will be shown most often.

Total wrong IMHO. It really is about individual clubs. What is simple is that the top half a dozen clubs owners wish to future proof themselves. If the total of cash coming in goes up they will over time argue that the reason for this is their drawing power and so they are entitled to a larger proportion of that cash, not a pro rata increase. If the amount of cash goes down they will argue that that is the fault of the lower leagues, they contribute nothing to their brand, Super League, and they should therefore get nothing. They have already stated this as regards the 30 million threshold.

A much more productive use of resources would be for all the Super League clubs to give up all their TV revenues and RFL income for next year and it be used to employ development officers, help existing L1 development clubs that are not on the M62 corridor, help any NCL club that wishes to try and step up to L1, and in general help any club that is not in the Super league that needs it. The Super League clubs would be able to do this for the good of the whole of Rugby League as they are all paragons of financial virtue, generating vast amounts of surpluses, from their bi-weekly sell out crowds, from which they have been squirrelling money away for years enabling them to have no need of sugar daddies, directors loans, overdrafts, selling their grounds, etc.In total contrast to any and all other teams who are not a member of the current "elite" and as such should be strangled at birth in the case of new clubs, or left out in the cold to die in the case of the traditional clubs who do not fit our masters future plans. I doff my traditionalist cap in the colours of the heartland club I have followed since 1989, and wave surrender with the shirts of the 3 southern based expansion teams that had the pleasure of following over the last few years to Lenagan and his cronies. As for Rimmer, I wouldn't even if he was on 🔥.

Where do I propose any lowering of standards? I am proposing a format that encourages the development of skills, rather than than developing players whose primary attribute is their ability to try to run through a brick wall. I do not see the number of players required to play as a standard, I see it as rule made by the administrators.

How about this for a potential solution. L1 goes to only 2 substitutes with only 3 interchanges. This would mean it would be easier to raise 15 plus a travelling sub. This reduces the cost per match. Another advantage hopefully would be to edge away from the super league mentality of having the biggest fastest fittest specimens collide with each other, and keep rotating them in order to maintain the "intensity". How long before they are wearing padding, helmets and playing 4 quarters? Part time players who are then mostly expected to play a full 80 minutes would then have to rely more on skill than size, and the luxury of being spelled on and off the pitch. Have we not seen over the last couple of months people bemoaning the lack of half backs with vision and flair? Let's see some forwards with handling skills rather than just the ability to try and be a bulldozer. Let's see some wingers with pace and the ability to beat a man with footwork, and the vision to exploit gaps in a tiring defence. Perhaps L1 would then be able showcase the development of skill that may then allow players to rise through the game as a whole.

So who is in charge now? Shane Spencer no longer a Director, followed by Austria Holdings no longer a person with significant control!

If you reread my post you will see that I was asking that of Adeybull not you. There's no question that prices are too expensive at Bradford see recent season price hike, but if that is what they want to charge then so be it. Supporters should be paying to watch their team not worrying about the quality of the opposition. However if they make the decision that the price being charged does not reflect the quality of the product, Bradford, and choose not to pay it then so be that also. If that leads to less income means, what? If you're saying that Bradford may then be in the lowest league for some time to come, or even go out business again because they have priced themselves out of their spectator market then again so be it, the club makes decisions about budgets,player contracts, sponsorship revenue, etc, supporters make the decision to pay and go, or not.

Johnoco how many casual punters go to any professional sports games? Who walks past a cricket, football, rugby, ice hockey, or any other pay in game and stumps up cash to watch if they weren't already interested? Rugby is a game played by 2 teams, rarely is there a draw, if you want to watch a sport in which there's only one winner all the time, week in week out I have no idea what that is. Adeybull, Bradfords structure and cost base has been unsustainable for decades, how deep do you want people to dig into their pockets next time to try and resurrect Bradford's past unfininceble glories.

Moscow 1 were you there? As a neutral I was. I have seen a lot of lower league rugby over many years and I struggle to remember a more cynical dirty team. If that is their ethos to survive this season then I despair for the lower leagues in rugby, bring on a closed shop of SL and Sl1, they won't be in it and their hired guns will be up against some real hard men for whom playing the game is only a secondary consideration, skill is in very short supply at West Wales, one or two players who have been around the lower leagues for some years excepted who are honest and have genuine reasons for taking the money being offered.

I don't believe that merged teams would be on the cards anywhere. I would say that those that have hijacked RL and turned it into SL have no interest the 3 Cumbrian teams, a better fit for them would be a new Supergreed team that was more accessible than the coastal towns, and had some sort of cachet about profilewise. Then perm 1 from 3 to be allowed to survive in the next tier, perhaps as a "feeder"club,the other 2 to be cast into the darkness as "community" clubs with no central funding at all. You can apply this logic to Batley, Dewsbury,and Hunslet, with Leeds and/or Bradford as the beneficiaries, also Swinton,Oldham,Leigh. in my opinion In the brave new world there will be no room for the "small town" clubs except at the discretion of the Super League chairmen, who care not one iota for the supporters of any club, even their own as they would rather finance their clubs from TV deals, rather than bums on seats.

HM was typing when you posted, nothing to do with you. DM look back on this forum at the interchanges between Workington and Whitehaven fans, if you wish it to be limited to " Marras " then so be it, your two clubs will be out in the wilderness, nonfunded, and any proposed " Cumbrian team" will be much closer to the M6 and the greater Manchester conurbation than Workington or Whitehaven.

I never put much credence in anything posted by Workington or Whitehaven fans, too much jam and dribble on the keyboard and too many fingers. In reality they have been expansionist clubs for many years but we all know that the RFL, and supergreed, only pay lip service to expansion. The north western clubs need to keep on plugging away at staying alive like the rest of the "undesirable" clubs.

The problem of WWR is of perception. They appear to be inept off the field, lack of a doctor is their problem, it is their responsibility, and a matter of fact.If they make arrangements but are let down it's still their responsibility. Also their inability to field 17 players is a real problem, it raises several questions, finance, players commitment, recruitment strategy, player welfare,desire for a RL team.If players won't turn out why would spectators? However it may be that the owners of WWR are playing a waiting game and next season the new coach will have a whole new playing roster,in other words they may be writing this season off. But the problem is that the damage to other expansions the other teams will have been done. WWR present situation make it easy for some people to question expansion teams in this country, but each team must be judged on its own position not the perception that WWR is the level of all expansion clubs. .

Edit for accuracy, not enough people in North America are incompetent enough to back your numerous fictional teams.

Why is that not "in" the cards? Surely strong well supported domestic leagues in countries that play RL, with ongoing domestic player development, is genuine expansion. This is then backed up by a true "super" league on a pan border basis similar to the Champions league in football, where the participants are selected based on their performance in their domestic league. I will say it again, the reality is that I support RL, on the ground, and I suspect that many other people may feel the same way, my support is never going to encompass multiple overseas jaunts to far flung corners of the globe every year to watch rich men's vanity projects, especially if they are directly or indirectly adversely affecting the clubs that I do go to watch. How many away games have you attended, how many games have you attended as a neutral just because a game was being played?

Small Photo, how many times does it have to be spelled out for you, if that's your vision make it happen, with others that share your vision of a "super" league. Many people will see your present desire for what it is, a sham. When there is a strong domestic league in Canada, North America, France, et al, with meaningful participation in terms of clubs, player numbers, development of players through a pathway that is genuine, unlike Perez's promises, then maybe, just maybe, there may be a place for a super league, the top 2 or 3 in their competitions playing in a trans national competition. But, first "do no harm", whatever you do must not have a negative impact on the clubs that already exist, they aren't there to facilitate your aspirations, and most importantly I don't give a flying Canuck about your dreams, they're not mine. I support Rugby League home and away at all levels every possible weekend and have done for 30 years but the least important level is internationals, and your not as realised as yet pipedreams, from my point of view my focus is ground up, not clouds down.

Adey isn't that exactly what happened in 1995, a cabal led by Lindsay who had overextended himself at Wigan and Caisley who had for the prior 2 years decried everything that was happening at Keighley and then realised that they had a potentially better team, and more supporters than Bradford had arranging a shotgun wedding with Murdoch Total self interest in preserving the status quo and screw the rest.

I agree with your sentiment superten, but then again maybe you shouldn't be allowed to post again until you can construct a sentence, punctate it correctly, and learn to spell. Predictive text and speed lead us all into errors but your diatribe against WWR is laden with errors, just like their performances on the pitch.Perhaps you can both learn together.

Chrysler weren't the only people to build Hemi head engines, my allegiance is to William Turner designed engines. I confess to disinginuity, of course I knew what a Dodge Ram is, I am a petrol head and have a wide interest in motor vehicles of all types, ages and manufacturers. You know that you and I are diametrically opposed to each other on Toronto's inclusion in the UK's domestic league competition, but also that I have no problem with a Canadian, or North American league. Its a shame that some other pro Toronto contributors would rather try and be personal rather than accept that I also have a right to an opinion that is different to theirs. NB I do have a pickup, rice burner, and the weather over here is somewhat sunny which factually does make me a redneck at the moment 😎.

Serious question, what is CKN, and are you saying you were banned for violating a set policy, or for arbitrarily deemed offensive? No I don't drive a dodge ram I have no idea what one is.