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Lobbygobbler

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  1. Pretty sure they used to mention Rugby League in the programme “The Ritz” from the late 80’s https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ritz_(TV_series)
  2. St Helens Recs existed as a Rugby club until 1898 and switched to soccer before switching back to Rugby in 1913
  3. I would argue in favour of Bradford Northern having a strong legitimate claim for being the continuation of Bradford RFC because: 1/ One third of the club voted to stay in NU, so it wasnt as if the club voted en masse to leave 2/ The part of the club that stayed continued playing the same sport (BPA played a totally different sport) which suggests that they would have retained the lions share of the fanbase and players. The fact that BPA switched sports and BN stayed suggests that BPAs claim is also weaker (would have breen analogous to RU breaking away in 1895 switching to playing soccer but claiming the prior heritage - RU had approx 2/3 support in the 1893 vote on broken time) 3/ There was no pause between Bradford RFC and Bradford N RFC
  4. I understand what you are saying but couldnt the same be argued about the oldest soccer club? On your basis they are only as old as their first game and their first opponents
  5. Immediately after your quote it says HRUFC was re-born in 1909. The club was originally named Huddersfield Old Boys, matches were played at the United Cricket Club in Luck Lane, Marsh and players changed in the nearby Croppers Arms pub.
  6. Huddersfield Athletic club was formed in 1864, which became Huddersfield Rugby On a similar note, why do Huddersfield RU Claim that their club was reformed or reborn in 1909 (http://www.huddersfieldrugby.com/pages/huddersfield-rugby-club/history)? This club had nothing to do with the original club (now the Giants) which continued unbroken after the split and can be the only righful club to use the pre1895 rugby history and heritage. Huddersfield RU was simply a new club in 1909
  7. I can't understand why any RL fan would argue against the case for saying Bradford's heritage goes back to 1863. The fans, some players and some backroom staff continued the NU in 1907. In fact this is an even stronger argument than clubs who take a break but are reformed with the same fans and backroom people. So long as the fans remain then the line continues. Btw Huddersfield est. 1864 is also older than Hull FC!
  8. Why are people calling the game before 1895 Rugby Union - Surely it was only Rugby football? It does a dis-service to everything (games, players, heritage) leading up to the split, and makes out that a new game (on the pitch) was born. This is not true as the sports were virtually identical for several years after 1895 (I recall Padge saying a few years back that there was only one insignificant rule change to do with the scrum retirement??) RU has also bifurcated from the original game of Rugby common to both games
  9. Interestingly I saw a copy of "the Rugby Match" in the Hallway to the toilets in a pub in the Surrey Hills (Gomshall) yesterday. I'll bet most people passing it have no idea what it is and the history behind it. I've also seen a copy of it in the Sun Tavern in Richmond (London). This painting should ideally be in the RFL museum, as it is more relevant to the history of Rugby League, (as with any pre-1895 rugby item which connects in any way to players or clubs which joined the Northern Union) though I guess the RFU are more likely to look after it! Would love a copy myself. The RFL should actively seek to acquire any historical rugby items prior to 1895 if it is relevant (i.e. an 1888 Lions tour shirt, England shirts worn by players whose clubs later joined the NU)
  10. Thanks for the heads up. Was round the corner from there earlier today but back in town tomorrow. Might check it out before going out
  11. It was called a "Rouge" wasnt it? I recall Steve May on here giving some details on it a few years ago
  12. That would make for a great ironic banner for the second test
  13. Wouldnt mind seeing the minutes from the famous meeting at the George Hotel....,. Anyone know where the worlds oldest rugby shirt is (for any club which joined the NU)
  14. Just been thinking about the "7nth" fixture for each club in the middle 8's. If the 2nd div club are not given the vital home game, how about there being an on-the-road game at a neutral venue in a development area for the second div club? So in Leigh's case it could be Bolton
  15. Whilst you are being so helpful, why not show the averages from 1975 to 1988 as well? I think we all know that Leeds were getting around 6k for a large portion of that period and this only started increasing towards the back end of the 80s with continued success
  16. Parky - I dont recall Leeds getting anywhere near averages of 12k in between the mid 70s and 1990. Can you clarify which seasons in that period where Leeds got more than 12k averages?
  17. Good to hear. I shall be at the match against Batley. Reckon it will be a big crowd
  18. None due to P&R. All clubs who went down under P&R are still with us (bar Blackpool and Carlisle and this was much later than they were relegated). If "ruined" means nearly went bust then this has nearly always been down to bad management, and in sone rare cases, bad luck (i.e. A single benefactors business goes under).
  19. You say Union is played in nearly every country in the world - do you work for the RFU or summat? RU is played in only a small number of additional countries to RL, i.e. Argentina, Italy (albeit still being a minor sport) and SA. RL is played in PNG whereas RU isnt
  20. Not sure what you are getting at. Is it ok for some clubs to have rich backers but not others. So Wigan don't have a rich backer? Without one they would not be a big club. They are not a big city like Leeds.
  21. For me, this should get at least as long as licensing. The figures of merit are: -attendances of all three divisions -TV revenues and TV viewing figs -fan contentment -mobility (I hope to see at least one second div club get into SL per year) -Increase in no. of UK pro player base -closer scorelines
  22. I'm hoping that we'll eventually have more than 1up/down to the third division if we are to have enhanced mobility for non heartland clubs. It could take a long time for clubs to get out of the third division. This year is critical for clubs to stay in the second division
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