Dave T

That isn't the alternative at all. Sky show every game live. The simple alternative is for the commentator (or on-screen graphics) to remind people that other fixtures are on and ALL LIVE ON SKY - and people can move between them if they want. This is the point that you seem to refuse to acknowledge, and is at the heart of the whole discussion - Sky can keep everyone in their eco-system.

Aye, purely for the WCC I'm happy with no ban, but in reality, it was a clear red and should have been a serious ban for mine.

I agree it feels high, but then you get grade c and only 1 match, so E isn't as high as it seems maybe. I must admit to not having sympathy for these big forwards who do not bend any part of their body to make a tackle and then feign innocence when their shoulder ends up in the players face.

I made the point about Champions League, but I don't watch that closely enough to know whether TNT do it, if I had to put money on, I'd say yes. The other one is English Football League when they show all games on the red button - do they talk about other games on their commentary?

I used two screens for a spell the other day. One lot of commentary, and then flipping commentary if something interesting happened. RL is pretty fast paced so it will take some getting used to, but there are plenty of stoppages at the moment with players playing dead to get a VR review, and I expect that will continue!

Agreed. I think there are various solutions and options.

Aye, surely something is going to be tweaked there for next week?

I tried it on football a few years ago and struggled, but TV's are bigger and better now so it could work. I also wasn't really that interested in two football games at once tbh. RL is different though.

This post doesn't make sense. Why is this an SL+ issue? The conversation is about Sky.

They haven't always given scores of another game that they are showing live on another channel. In fact, this weekend is the first time they've done it in Rugby League.

I mean, they are spoilers. You can't just declare that they aren't and that makes it true. Spoilers are a real thing. Spoiler alerts have been around for decades. Google have used tech to avoid sports spoilers, and BT sports app had a feature. It may not be an issue to you, but it's weird to claim giving scores for a game that you aren't watching isn't a potential spoiler.

Do Sky Sports still do that split screen option thing they used to offer? A few years since I've used Sky direct, and never used it then, but I'd use that for RL if it was an option.

In reality, there are just two varying opinions here - those who like updates from other games, and those who don't as they are seen as spoilers. But, for me, there is a crucial difference being ignored here. If you are in the first camp, enjoying knowing what is happening elsewhere, then it is very, very easy to do that - Sky now show every game, so you can actually nip and get a live view. You can also track via social media - people using devices alongside watching sport is common, many of us do it here every week. You can also have multiple screens across devices if you want to, listen to the radio etc - loads of options for keeping updated if that is your preference. I've also called out different ways Sky could do it. If you don't want spoilers, you don't really have a choice. It's tough. Maybe watching on mute.

I'm not sure what makes this subject deemed to be "arguing for aguings sake". How the sport is covered on tv is a perfectly normal discussion that you'd surely expect on an RL fan forum.

Yeah, good luck to them, but it would be odd that they suddenly know how to get a crowd in when they are likely to lose most, if not every game.

Whilst beibg shown on the same platform is a really important omission from your post and a core point of the discussion. As I say, I *think* CL does it, so your point has merit, I acknowledge that. They've given updates for years, and it hasn't been an issue, because the games weren't on Sky. Things have changed. Maybe our approach needs to reflect that.

I agree on the NFL point, and this is one of the things I like about the Friday night games at the same time. In an ideal world, our sport would be big enough to have that kins of show that is absolutely for channel hoppers to watch it all in one place. But I do think that's a different program somewhat. So I can absolutely understand the appeal of channel hopping, I'm just not sure we need that verbal update tbh, that's the point, we can channel hop.

Spoiler alerts have been a thing for years. Right back to scores on news just before match of the day for example. Spoiler alerts are massive in articles about tv etc at the moment. They are a real thing that media considers, that people expect, are used to and in many cases appreciate. I'm not sure why being averse to them, just because, is a good thing. There are plenty of ways that this can be handled, I don't even think a commentator giving a half-assed update of what's going on elsewhere during another match is even a good approach. I think there is an argument for updates from elsewhere (NRL and SL) to take place before matches and at half time with spoilers called out. Media have considered how people read about TV and take an approach not to spoil shows, I don't think it's that unreasonable to expect the same in sport, particularly where there are clear solutions.

That's not what happens in every sport though.

If discussing spoilers in sport on a sport forums is deemed pointless then we really should shut up shop.

That does rather ignore the fact that games being broadcast live on the same platform at the same time is relatively unusual. The NRL don't play games at the same time. That said, I think Champions League coverage does it (from memory) and that would be a good comparison. I used to like it when they would flash up the try highlights during the game on Friday night, I just think it is unnecessary and jarring now that all games are shown live on Sky. There does need to be an understanding of how customers consume the product, people have multiple screens, watch on slight delay, watch multiple games etc. it is 100% a valid complaint and piece of feedback for it to annoy people. On Saturday, I'd been travelling, so watched on delay, around half an hour after kick off. I also watched across two screens, however the Cas v Wigan game on further delay. I ended up turning that off as events were being told to me by the Wire commentator. Sometimes it won't bother me in the slightest, I'll do what you describe, particularly where my team aren't involved but when we have 80 minute games, it's not going to be too unusual for some of the audience to watch two full matches over one evening, and approach to spoilers needs some thought. I mean, it really does go back decades.

That assumption should be based in something though. Has there ever been a thread where fans have asked for that? Have you ever heard anyone complain that they don't tell you the score of another game? Personally I haven't. But now, under this model, Sky offer that service, you flick to the actual live match and see it. They really are offering the best solution

So SL has had plenty of praise recently for the improvements, but this is one area that still frustrates the life out of me. I had a look at the match centre for the Wire v Catalans game, and at first it looked like a big improvement with matchday stats better than previously, but once you actually go into it: Wire team list - missing players, Musgrove and Fitzgibbon not in the list, Hayes and Holroyd instead named on the bench, with Powell and Philbin in the 13 - not accurate at all. Onto Live Stats and they look a little odd. Metres was 1212 vs 1179 - yet running metres 1574 vs 1552. There is no mention of number of penalties in the stat lists. On player stats - this list has Musgrove and Fitzgibbon, but then gets rid of Lindop, his stats completely omitted. We need to be better at this stuff if we are going to provide these immersive experiences - if we aren't going to do it properly, then we should just avoid it. The NRL are excellent with their stats section, we can learn a lot from them. I took a quick look at another random game - the Leigh v Hudds game, and the events tab is empty, and the Hudds team is blank.

THat seems ok considering it was on Sky too. Will be interesting to see if they do any kind of release on overall figures for the weekend. It would be great if we could hit 1m+ viewers for weekends like this when we have a BBC game.

Agreed. Lindop will learn from that (he started his movement towards the ball with real purpose and then lost confidence) but as you say, Dufty should be providing leadership. I can see how it happened tbh, I think he decided to try and offer cover for Lindop, but ultimately, your assessmebt is spot on there.