Steve May

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  1. Steve May

    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    It is not meant to be, but I accept that it comes across that way. I shall delete it.
  2. Steve May

    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Well qualified people voted Remain in far larger numbers than they voted Leave. That is a bald statement of fact. The insult is in entirely your head. I am not really interested in your personal insecurities.
  3. Steve May

    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    I'm just replacing my badly written post.
  4. Steve May

    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    We have arrived at a situation whereby things that are true are in some way upsetting to you. I'm sorry about that. You can't understand the world unless you have a basis in fact. If you deny facts because they upset you, then you end up in the pickle we're in now. FWIW, I'm the second person in my family to get a degree, after my elder sister. My Dad was an Irish immigrant who left school in Dublin at 14 without a qualification to his name. He was a very, very intelligent man who taught me a great deal. He was the third person in my family to get a degree, in his late fifties. I'm making a factual statement about the world and you are making a self pitying value judgement.
  5. Steve May

    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    On the contrary, there is a real need to understand who voted Remain and who voted Leave and a lot of research has been done into the topic.
  6. Steve May

    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Well, they should believe me, because I'm right. If you are "well qualified" then you are vastly more likely to have voted Remain than Leave. Amongst people educated to GCSE level, 70% voted Leave. To A-level it was 50/50 between Leave and Remain. Amongst graduates it was 68% Remain. Under 25s split 71/29 to Remain. Over 65s split 64/36 to Leave. If your household income was below £20k, the split was 68/32 in favour of Leave, for people with a household income above 60,000 it was 65/35 in favour of Remain. You can add your own value judgements onto those facts as you please, but it remains the case that young, working, well qualified people voted Remain in much larger numbers than they voted Leave.
  7. Steve May

    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Very much so. And for the repeal of the 8th Amendment, the Citizen's Assembly sat and recommended a course of action that was then taken to the Oireachtas and then taken to a referendum. In other words, the final referendum was on a clearly defined question leading to a clearly defined course of action. That is not where we are now as a country. I am unsure if such an event could be held without disruption and possibly violence by those who favour one particular outcome. That said, I have sat in three juries in court cases and in each case I have been incredibly impressed with the seriousness with which my fellow jurors have taken the process. And we should never allow the far right to stop us from moving forward. And I can see no other way forward that doesn't cause huge trouble. It is apparent that Parliament cannot make a decision, the Government hasn't got the power to make a decision. We are in limbo with a huge moment approaching and no functioning government. I think right now we'd be best advised to halt the A50 process, invite representatives from the Irish government to help us set up a citizens assembly, pick 99 people by lot, work through the process and see what they come back with, take that through Parliament and then to a Referendum.
  8. Steve May

    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    I think it's closely related to the massive chip on the shoulder thing that's been going on for a long time in Britain. Fintan O'Toole is very good on this.
  9. Steve May

    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    The leave voters I know are a pretty mixed bag. None of them work in senior supply chain roles though, which possibly tells you something. As for your second question, you ask them and they tell you. There are a bunch of known facts about Brexit, one of which is that young, working, well qualified people voted heavily for Remain. Not all of them did, but most of them did. There is an avalanche of evidence to support this, it's not just wishful thinking or pulling facts out to suit an argument.
  10. Steve May

    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    I haven't really thought much about it myself, but I am aware that in Ireland the process is well regarded and is thought to have been integral to the broad success of the recent referendum on abortion - not to the result, but the tone the discussion was carried out in and the manner in which it has been accepted.
  11. Steve May

    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    There has been a huge amount of research done into the question of who voted to Leave the EU and why. An awful lot of it is openly available.
  12. Steve May

    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Eh? Would I suddenly want to leave the EU if Huddersfield Giants were relegated?
  13. Steve May

    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Is quite funny. One of the interesting things about Brexit is that, for probably the first time in history, London has less power than Dublin.
  14. Steve May

    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Variants of this Venn diagram has been bouncing around for at least two years and we have finallt, in the past few months, arrived at the inevitable endgame. This was always going to happen, we knew about it, and we're stupid enough to have done it anyway.
  15. Steve May

    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    My grandfather - a man who had two pictures on the wall above the fire, one of the Virgin Mary and the other of Eamonn de Valera - would have found the current situation hilarious. The idea that Irish citizenship is of far greater value than British would have pleased him greatly. And I think he’d be extremely proud that his British born great-grandchildren are all Irish citizens.