Maximus Decimus

From some it would be mistake, from you with your record, I'd suggest it was a lie.

This is where the problem is. P & R has gone, but people cannot accept it and take their frustrations out on Widnes for playing the RFL's game. Whether we should have P & R back and whether Widnes deserve Super League are two very different arguments.

So as I suspected, you have no argument. If you can't be bothered to read it, don't make pointless little comments like the one you made. Once again, 'one of your lot,' so people don't have their own opinions any more? I'm sure every fan of your club speaks for you as well. Whether or not a Widnes fan comes in spouting nonsense, it doesn't excuse the lies and further nonsense that comes in reply.

So we shouldn't only have to meet the set RFL criteria on and off the field, we should have to try and satisfy every Championship club's fans as well?

So we didn't meet the minimum criteria then? Also Mick, please stop lying. Especially when it can be easily disproven by a simple internet search, it doesn't make your argument any better. It was 4th.

Did I say that? It's amazing how one person's opinion can stand for thousands of people. Do Widnes not have a better junior set up than Featherstone regardless of their junior set-up? We don't ignore it but the fact is that we have a better one than it. If you had bothered to read the post, you would see that I was addressing somebody who was suggesting that we have to refer to 1990 to try to boost our position, when we don't. He then went on about on the field nonsense again which does show how little he understands. As for the last line, it goes both ways, Widnes have been favourites from day one and as such have been attacked from other fans, looking to trip us up wherever possible and make out like we're not good enough. It all comes from jealousy. Widnes fans of course aren't allowed to point out the obvious flaws in the argument or stick up for their own club. We'll see how much you all love Halifax when they are the favourites for promotion.

So what of the actual post did you disagree with? Emoticons are not an excuse for an argument.

Nonsense. So if we did have P & R then do you think Widnes would have exactly the same squad as they do now? Do you think that the clubs would have voted to reduce the cap to 300k as well? Final question, how many players do you think Featherstone or Fax would retain if promoted to Super League, with potentially an extra

Enlighten you about what? The way to conduct yourself on a forum without looking like a childish brat?

This shows how little you know or understand. We actually mention that we run youth at all levels not just U15's and U16's. You're saying we have to stoop to a level to make us look good, which is nonsense. What about crowds, stadium, youth development doesn't make us look good in comparison to other clubs in this league? Winning the WCC adds nothing and people don't mention it very often despite you're mentioning that we do. When it is it's simply to say that Widnes are a famous name in RL and much more so than the other clubs we're up against it. How many times does it need to be pointed out that on the field is not what licensing is about? We don't have P & R anymore, get over it. In the words of the RFL, there is a minimum criteria and Widnes have met it. We are dealing with a salary cap of 300k in comparison to

Still not found the plot then Mick?

I'm not convinced that 10 metres is best for the game but I think you're guilty of what net geeks like to call a 'Post hoc ergo propter hoc' argument, assuming something is the cause of an event merely because it happened before that event. There are many other reasons for the lack of shocks, full time professionalism being probably the main one. This has fundamentally changed the way the game is played. The game used to be more off the cuff and obviously skillful to the untrained eye but somewhere along the line somebody has come along and realised that a structured game plan produces better results, everybody then changes suit. Later, somebody realised that wrestling techniques would improve defence and then everybody changes suit. The game constantly evolves and full-time professionalism linked to the mass availability of games on TV and the internet has seen this happen at a much quicker rate than before. You just need to look at how Football, Union, Tennis, Golf etc have all changed relatively rapidly also in the past 15 years.

Horrendous news. Sincere condolences to Paul and his family.

I thought that, as an away kit this proves it doesn't work. Although they are used differently nowadays, they are still meant to be used when a colour clash occurs. However their kit still results in just as bad a colour clash. If the RFL had any sense they would switch this right away, to Wire's genuine away kit.

Simplistic. Not to take anything away from Featherstone's achievement but if we didn't have licensing we probably wouldn't have a 300k cap and would see very different squads as clubs would prioritise differently.

The answer was in there, but I had to also explain how in reality 'potential' is a get out clause to make up for current failures.

They have a more realistic chance of presenting a successful SL club in my opinion. Salford have more potential but by that token Harlequins have the largest potential in the league. I've said previously, if Salford have the stadium then they should be given a license. My opinion is that if they don't have the stadium then they are the weakest.

No, my point was to show you up for making ridiculous statements like they could go up 50% next year.

Never realised this but winning the league should of course mean a box ticked. It's arguably the hardest of them all. Well done Fev, very well deserved victory.

Gotta feel for the man. They'd generally only put these incidents on report these days.

My head says that for the sake of RL a Wire win would be best. It would mean a probably sellout at Wembley between two massive clubs in comparison to a probable damp squib where Leeds would walk it. I just can't support the Wire though, come on Catalans!!!!

People often get criticised for suggesting that Salford's stadium might not happen. The fact is that the vast majority, myself included, have no idea how the process works. What we have seen and heard though are countless releases about the stadiums and numerous reassurances from fans about how certain their stadiums are to be built. However 10 years on in some instances the stadiums have still not started. Salford's stadium could be 100% nailed on certain to be built by 2012, I honestly don't know. When I've read the recent statements it seems that they are. However I've thought this before, at the last round of licensing for instance. All the arguments we're hearing now we heard in 2008 and the reality is they won't have delivered on those promises. Therefore if there are any delays meaning that the stadium will not be ready for the start of the 2012 stadium then they should definitely be dropped. Without it they are by far the weakest of the 3 main contenders to go down.