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Oh FFS how many times do people have to post the dictionary definition. "local derby a sporting event between teams from the same area" Note the word area, not city, not town, not village, not country, not continent, not planet but area.

Is that not as in I'm not going to criticise refs anymore* *same amount but not any more

He's angling for something or someone to blame his teams p!$$ poor performances on, he can't bring himself to blame the actual club for the state Bradford are in.

Clubs still face the boot, winning is one way to help to avoid it. I do wish people would really begin to understand how this works. Salford last night at Wigan could have easily put the cue on the rack, they didn't. Don't think the scoreline shows a lack of effort from Salford, far from it they were committed for the full eighty. Suggesting that players go out there not giving a sh!t about the result is a disgraceful insult and anyone that suggests it is the case should be ashamed of themselves.

I may believe in the great spaghetti monster in the sky that sh!ts out the moon every night, it doesn't make it right though.

If there is a window close by that is the main source of light then get someone to hold up a black sheet (anything will do really but be careful of a colour cast) between the light source and the memorial and then try taking the picture without flash, probably need a tripod or if none available some makeshift table. Use mirror lock and the self timer unless you have remote release. Shoot it in raw and check the histogram if you can get all the highlights within the histogram ( or even just off) then you can process the raw file and photomangle it to balance things out. As long as you get the details in there then shoppery will let you get there. Take a range of over exposed and under exposed shots and HDR/blend the two, or more, shots to provide the final picture.

Some budgies in Crete

But your definition is wrong.

Wrong as already explained. I think it was the Guardian that listed Wigan v Saints in its top ten list of British sporting contests that were a must see. Wigan v Saints holds the record for the bigggest league competition gate at 47,747, the biggest CC Final at Wembley gate 98,536.* I don't see how hatred makes a game a big derby, that is so soccer and oh so pathetic. *For a Derby.

Prescott got pulled for a chiken wing, the sending off; didn't really see it from where I was but the ref was on the spot and quick to decide. Could have been harsh or could have been correct I haven't a clue. Fair play to Salford who never decided to throw in the towel despite a mounting scoreline and a Wigan back line that was running hot.

Tony XIII may recognise this one. This is the lovely Anna who hopefully will be waiting on myself and Sharon in Rethymnon at the Caribbean Restaurant and Bar on Rimondi Square in a few weeks.

Good action shots especially the second, but you seem to have blown the highlights.

There is 3 of them he's going for.

Did he get the blow job.

They all have one thing in common, they start with one or more good photographs. Excellant stuff.

Wigan St. Judes versus West Hull, very tense game Judes eventually won 28-26 1. 2. 3. 4. 5.

It shows.

just like developing with different chemicals and dodging, burning along with using filters there is a lot of developing ot go on post picture take, Ansel Adams didn't take a picture and send the negative to the chemist and then get a perfect print. Darkroom hours were spent getting right, now you work on a computer. It still needs skill, it still needs vision and it still takes time. The only difference is you don't work under a dim red light. If people think its dead easy to do now then try and get one of your photographs accepted by a top pro stock photo site.

Here you are Chris. Forst I rotated the shot and then did a tighter crop. Adjusted the Yellow and Green channels to boost the saturation of the grass and foliage. Added some Gaussian Blur to the background and foreground and then sharpened horse and rider. An overall adjustment of levels then to increase the contrast. A little more sharpening of the horses eye and a final adjustment to tone down the front log and barrier.

Nicely captured shot. Personaly I'd be tempted to do a bit of a rotation and a tighter crop and boost the saturation and contrast a bit on the background. Finally I'd do a bit of selective sharpening and gaussian blur. If you don't mind me messing about with your shot I'll give it a go and post what I'm talking about.

Exactly, I post on a photography forum and some people will give a poster a bit of stick over a photograph they have posted. Often the poster says "well I like it", my response usually is to ask "is the photograph what you you saw originally as your idea and does it represent your vision to you. Are you happy with the result. If the answer to that is yes, then you have a good photograph". Some people like sugar in tea others don't like it it, that's taste.

Someone at work brought in an Amateur Photographer magazine from around 1965 to let me have a look at. The letters page was interesting, arguments about people using different chemicals which made life easier or gave 'arty' results, "not proper photography", "cheating", "won't catch on", all the comments could have been from AP in the last ten years. Did the advent of the SLR reduce the skill of the photographer because he didn't have to work out exactly where the photographing lense was looking, did making the view of the image appear in the right orientation as opposed to upside down, left to right reduce the skill of the photographer. People forget that the art of photography is about first of all seeing the picture without a camera and then having seen it manipulating the light, either by adding, subtracting, waiting (sometimes a long time), accepting or even filtering in the correct way to produce what you have seen in your 'vision'. Some of the light manipulation, such as filtering has now moved to post processing, however photographers still cheated the light by using pre-processing manipulation. Knocking out a great photograph wasn't/isn't easy on film and anyone who thinks it is easier with digital needs to really understand what is going on. Many great photographers in the past didn't even develop their own photographs they ahd a developer to do it for them giving them instructions of what they wanted. Why, because the photographer had the vision but not the developng skills and the developer had the manipulation skills but not the vision.

You edited the photo using Adobe Photoshop Elements 4.0 You had blue Y fronts on and grey socks.

The following information was beamed down. Nikon D80 1/250" @ F10, ISO 100 with Auto White Balance, Nikon D Series 18-135mm 3.5/5.6 Zoom Lens @ 125mm, Exposure mode set to Auto.

There is a photograph of me in a Challenge Cup Final program wearing a large flat cap leant on a wall reading the previous years program. Flat cap, we did it 20 odd years ago, coach load of 56. Try and be original.