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Dave T

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  1. Have you never read the articles when RL are negotiating a tv deal? Fair play to the PDC if they can negotiate a bigger deal, but I'll be very surprised if they move away from the platform Sky gives them, and if they double the deal this time, that seems a great deal.
  2. That's fine though, and people aren't arguing that darts isn't very successful at the TV and social media elements. In fact I made the same point earlier in this thread but then people make up I've been critical of darts. Darts is perfect, made for TV entertainment. And good luck to them, I'm a fan (playing and watching). But I won't ignore the scale of RL (worldwide) and dismiss the stats as wrong when they don't support my view.
  3. Amazon and Netflix don't cover plenty of sports.
  4. So not only are you saying you didn't mean what you said, you are now claiming I've said things that I haven't. You've really had a shocker on this thread mate.
  5. There isn't anything disingenuous about it. I've acknowledged that darts does very well in the TV space with their superb peaks around major events. What we are seeing with the Worlds in darts is their biggest event worldwide, so an RL comparison is maybe a World Cup, international tournament or even NRL. People appear keen to take every strong number from darts but dismiss anything positive from RL. That's, disingenuous.
  6. Fine, this is just weird. So what you are saying is that pubs that have darts boards tend to have dart boards? It was weird to claim that almost every pub and bar in the World has a dart board when you didn't mean that in the slightest.
  7. It is, but as per a previous post, they outperform NFL, F1, Tennis for Sky Sports viewers, but we don't accept that as the overruling thing that claims that darts is bigger, but people are happy to dismiss all the other things for RL.
  8. It sort of is though. A darts fixture is Littler v MVG for example, an RL fixture is Saints v Wigan. You wouldn't expect the same awareness for a team sport player and an impressive dividual sportsperson.
  9. I think this is an area RL has struggled. We've never really been able to move up from good TV figures. We don't deliver events that step up to 750k to 1m viewers.
  10. You'll need to provide sources for your claims really. Uk participation has been shown to be in RL's favour, massively. Darts has some good peaks, but more people are watching RL each week both in grounds and on TV. And RL tv deals absolutely dwarf darts deals. And if we want to talk about how much players get, we really should look at the £30m or so players earn in Europe per year, and the c£120m players are earning in the NRL.
  11. TMP doesn't recognise the results of the survey in the same way they don't recognise city bars or hipster pubs.
  12. Not a cat in hells chance are these in the public consciousness. They may be well known within sporting circles, but then so is the name Wigan Warriors.
  13. I think you've lost what this discussion is about. I haven't dismissed a single pub or bar, I certainly haven't dismissed 'hipster bars' or city centre bars like you have. But that's my point. Food pubs don't have them in the main - the huge chains included rarely have dart boards. Cocktail bars don't. Hotel bars often don't. You're the one dismissing all these. A cornerstone of your belief that darts is bigger than RL is because 'pretty much every pub and bar in the world has a dart board'. It's a wild claim that just can't be backed up in the slightest. You've basically stated that Darts is bigger than RL and then ignored every stat where RL is bigger. And it's all based on the pubs you drink in.
  14. I mean it's stayed entirely on topic with the exception of one post referring to an argument on another thread a while ago. A thread about RL using darts to promote itself and the relative audiences that the sports command is absolutely all relevant.
  15. We've regularly had major football stars laud RL. I agree with your point that it's not a major driver of interest, but nor was it when Wayne Rooney and his teammates used to sing the praises of SL. But that's not to say we shouldn't push it. It creates stories, puts the sport in different places. That has to be key for us as we tend to speak to the same people over and over.
  16. I make the same point regularly, even when it comes to major football tournaments, I struggle to name a full England team or name their club etc.
  17. People are here telling you that they go to pubs and bars all over the place that don't have dart boards. That suggests your claim that pretty much every pub and bar in the world has a board is wrong. Maybe the bars and pubs you go to have dart boards, but that isn't necessarily representative of all pubs and bars. Sure, plenty local boozers do, but many many pubs are now food pubs, chains etc that don't, and town and city centre bars rarely have a board outside of the game bars that are emerging.
  18. Of course they could say that. But 12m ago they would have struggled to name a darts player. And I'd guess they'd struggle to name a Union player now.
  19. That wouldn't be a great test. Ask the same question for darts, but ask them to name an RL team and it would be more comparable, as one is a team sport and one an individual sport. Littler is absolutely a breakthrough star, but 12m ago, since the retirement of Phil Taylor I'd day it was very different in the darts world.
  20. I expect it is where there is an element of formality i.e part of the pub team. In the same way we don't really just count people who pass a rugby ball around on the car park as RL participants. I do always think we need to be careful not to let our own personal experiences to cloud our judgement too much on stuff like this, which is easier said than done. The original post that sparked debate here was based on one poster claiming that pretty much all pubs and bars have dart boards - which is demonstrably untrue, but because the pubs they frequent have dartboards, then it's a claim made with vigour. But it's wrong. Just like you saying that there are people playing - in reality that could be no more than 6 or 7 people a week, maximum, and they go to the pub once a month. I do personally enjoy pub games, and really like the emergence of the games bars, including The Flight Club darts bars.
  21. Well no. You claimed that pretty much every pub and bar in the world has a dart board. You're just blatantly wrong and are now stroppy. In reality, you mean one kind of pub.
  22. Darts and RL conversations are always interesting, as on many metrics, RL is clearly the bigger sport, including live audiences, participation and commercial value. Darts does very well on major events with some good peaks, as we see at the Worlds. Perception is key here - the amount of times people claim we can learn plenty from darts is interesting. I enjoy darts, and it lends itself very well to being on TV, creating viral events on social media, and creating stars. It is also easy to make the events look quite good on TV, with some modest crowds and empty seats hidden. If we look at the 4.8m figure for the 2024 final though, there are a few things to remember. This was an outcome of the Luke Littler effect. the figure the year before was c2m, which is also very very impressive, but it does support the point that this is a bit of a phenomenon. It should also be pointed out that the 4.8m number is the largest peak ever on Sky Sports for any sport other than football. But we wouldn't claim that darts is bigger than Golf, Tennis, Formula One etc - so that probably shouldn't be used in the context of an RL discussion. Darts is doing very well, it has a great story at the moment, I'm enjoying it, people should continue to do so, but I don't think a sport that has five times more people playing it than the other should be so negative about ourselves, particularly when we also bring in five or six times more fans every week than that sport.
  23. This is just not true at any level, and I'm surprised you are then annoyed that people are disagreeing with you. A certain type of pub may have a dartboard, but I'd suggest that for the vast majority of times they hang unused and when you look at pubs and bars in the round, with food pubs and modern bars, they just don't have dart boards. I'm interested why you were so bold in this claim, because it is very easy to disprove it pretty much instantly.
  24. I expect awareness is favourable to RU top leagues in many instances. I think outside of football, awareness is really in the localities.
  25. Nah. People are aware. Just like I'm aware of not all. People like to slag RL on this front, but I'm prepared to bet more can name an SL team rather than a netball team.
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