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#2968362 NZ Sevens dilemma - Olympics

Posted by Gosman on 31 July 2014 - 02:14 AM

It could take these players a fair while to learn the "nuances" of the 7's game though.

Things like running, passing and tackling come to mind ;-)



Are you suggesting the All Black 15's players don't know how to run, pass or tackle?

#2967188 Commonwealth Games 7s

Posted by Gosman on 28 July 2014 - 06:38 PM

Yet Rugby Union has no problem getting people to watch the game. Why would Rugby Union contemplate your suggestion when 7 ' s is providing the publicity that the IRB was looking for?

#2966813 Commonwealth Games 7s

Posted by Gosman on 27 July 2014 - 11:51 PM

The tactics from NZ in the second part of the first half was deliberate to run down the clock whilst they were a man down. As for if the game was poor or not, I would suggest 45000 people at the game didn't agree with you.

#2966145 Commonwealth Games 7s

Posted by Gosman on 27 July 2014 - 07:44 AM

Rugby Union 7 ' s is about possession. Having a wing isolated might lose possession so some teams (not all I note and not all the time either) might prefer to keep it closer to support players.

How did you find the atmosphere? It looks pretty rocking on television.

#2919733 Transitioning to Rugby Union from Rugby League

Posted by Gosman on 21 April 2014 - 11:22 PM

Different era but who knows how many it put off.  No one will ever know.


You would have thought though that they might have at least give him a fair go - I mean, 212 minutes of union.  League gave players like Inga and Scott Quinnell a couple of years to get to grips with the game.


I agree. I would have liked to see his transition handled in a better way. Interesting that SBW move to NZ Rugby Union was managed very differently. He started out playing Club Rugby Union for a couple of games then the provincial championship with Caterbury before he played at Super Rugby Union level. This after a couple of seasons with Toulon as well. I think it is too much to expect many Rugby League players other than those switching to wing to play at Super 15 level first up. 


However my point wasn't to make out that Rugby League has inferior players. Benji Marshall was and possibly still is a superb and talented Rugby League player who has a high degree of skills and atheleticism. I was merely raising this as a counter to a perceived view that Rugby League players are likely going to be better at shared skills such as defence and on attack running with the ball. This was not the case with Benji Marshall. Defence was a prime example of this. The Hurricanes were able to exploit his channel on a number of occassions to make meters. This doesn't mean he doesn't know how to tackle though just that the defensive requirements between the codes are very different.

#2919725 Transitioning to Rugby Union from Rugby League

Posted by Gosman on 21 April 2014 - 10:18 PM

That is great news for Rugby League.  It might deter other players from moving across.


You mean the same way the John Gallagher failure detered players from switching to Rugby League in the early 1990's?

#2919638 Transitioning to Rugby Union from Rugby League

Posted by Gosman on 21 April 2014 - 06:50 PM

Looks like the Benji move has failed.



#2919637 Transitioning to Rugby Union from Rugby League

Posted by Gosman on 21 April 2014 - 06:49 PM

The fact that some Rugby League fans didn't like it just goes to prove the two codes are two completely different types of games and people will like one or the other based on their own personal preferences rather than some objective measure. I loved the Hurricanes versus Blues game myself. 7 tries each one scored in a different manner, whether it be long rang kick return or structured backline move and even a good old fashioned penalty try as a result of a dominant 5 meter scrum.

#2918931 Transitioning to Rugby Union from Rugby League

Posted by Gosman on 20 April 2014 - 05:21 AM

For all those who think top Rugby League players just need to turn up and play to be regarded as stars in a Rugby Union the Benji Marshall transition should highlight how wrong this view is. He finally got a reasonable amount of game time at 1st five eighth against the Hurricanes on Friday and struggled. Have a look at this on the highlights especially the 4th Hurricane try at 4:15. Looks like Benji has a lot to learn still.


#2898061 Cross code converts.

Posted by Gosman on 12 March 2014 - 07:36 PM

We are back to acknowledging that some people find Rugby League very predictable much of the time and believe Rugby Union has a greater variety in play during the game. That is why Rugby Union doesn't just turn itself in to Rugby League by dropping two players and eliminating the parts of the game where players can compete for possession.


I find it laughable that some Rugby League fans actually think the authorities in Rugby Union want to do this but can't because that would be an admission that Rugby League was right all along. Rugby Union authorities, on the whole, are more interested in developing the game as it is without concerning themselves with how another similar sport plays it game.

#2898040 Cross code converts.

Posted by Gosman on 12 March 2014 - 06:52 PM

Assuming that all you want from rugby is watching teams take it in turns to run at each other, changing running lines and direction of play but little else. For others there is RU where fans prefer a more varied game with set pieces and competition for possession alongside attacking flair.


It's a common misconception amongst RL fans that RU fans actually want everything that distinguishes RU from RL removed and this would make the game more enjoyable for them. If this were the case then surely RU fans would give up on the game and go and watch RL instead.


So true. I had this debate with a mate of mine. He prefers Rugby League (The NRL at least) over Rugby Union for the same reasons given by people here (i.e. it has more attacking play). while granting that Rugby League does have it's fair share of great attacking play I point out how I find it very predictable much of the time. Most evenly placed teams spend much of the game following the same pattern. If they receive the ball in their own 20 meter zone they will have three or four plays one pass from the tackle. Then there will be one or two plays involving more expansive play once they are near or over the half way line. Finally a kick, which will be long if they are around the half way line, or high if they are closer to the opposition try line. They will then attempt to force the opposition to cough up the ball within their own half. Only a few teams look to chance their arm from deep inside their own half. The NZ Warriors are good at doing this when on top form.

#2896934 Cross code converts.

Posted by Gosman on 11 March 2014 - 12:47 AM

And in that paragraph lies the essential superiority or Rugby League over Rugby Union, the fear of being isolated stifles attacking flair.  


Many teams seem to have no problem with attacking flair in Rugby Union.

#2894091 Why?

Posted by Gosman on 06 March 2014 - 07:03 PM

How can you even suggest that the ban didn't hurt Rugby League? Outside the 'Heartlands' RL was hamstrung in developing. It wasn't about the RL fraternity wanting to play RU, in my experience it was about RU players wanting to give RL a go. It was about RU authorities applying pressure to deny the availability of facilities, it was about RU players risking 'amateur' status etc. RU certainly missed out on a great deal by denying the involvement of RL players, coaches etc, but too suggest that RL wasn't hurt by the ban is laughable.



Nothing was stopping Rugby Union players from playing Rugby League. They were free to do so. They just weren't able to return to play or be involved with Rugby Union. in my mind that harmed Rugby Union as it denied itself people who wanted to be involved with the sport. The only impact on Rugby League would have been if it discouraged large numbers of people from giving Rugby League a go. Has this changed since the ban was lifted? 

#2888661 Cross code converts.

Posted by Gosman on 26 February 2014 - 04:45 AM

Do you have any idea how much Union Brad Thorn played as a kid? Or was he League through and through?

 Brad Thorn comes from down south near Dunedin. His family was big Rugby Union fans. I believe he may have started playing the game before the family left for Brisbane. He took up Rugby League in Australia but always held on to the dream of playing for the All Blacks.

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#2887114 Cross code converts.

Posted by Gosman on 24 February 2014 - 12:29 AM

The whole point about the ban on being associated with Rugby League was that said players were denied the opportunity of being involved with the sport of Rugby Union ever again (with some exceptions) as they had "tarnished" themselves by becoming professional. This may have had an effect of discouraging players from giving Rugby League a go but only if the person in question wanted to return to Rugby Union at some stage. The question is then why would Rugby League clubs being open about Rugby Union players trying out the game change the effect of the threat of a ban and decimate Rugby Union? Surely it would have just meant less players would be willing to risk getting a ban by just having a trial if they didn't make the grade in Rugby League. The secrecy in the trials was not Rugby League kowtowing to Rugby Union's silly rules on professionalism but designed to make it easier to entice players.