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#3016437 25k for Wallabies last week, 14k today v Arg ... Ouch

Posted by Gosman on 19 October 2014 - 04:40 PM

 As you are fully aware, your comment about why you prefer union was intentionally provocative and unnecessary, hence Bearman's response.    Yes, it is a cross code forum but it's on a Rugby website so can you please refrain from the willy waggling or perhaps stick to planet onion if your intentions here are less than honest.

 With respect that is complete ######. My comments were in no way intentionally provocative. If I had been trying to be I would have stated that Saturday's Wallabies vs All Blacks match showed why Rugby Union is the better game. Instead I used it to explain why I preferred Rugby Union.


I fully understand and respect others have their own reasons why they like Rugby League over Rugby Union.  If people cannot deal with peoples different preferences being explained here then I'd suggest that shows a level of intolerance that Rugby Union was rightly criticised for in the past.

#3016272 25k for Wallabies last week, 14k today v Arg ... Ouch

Posted by Gosman on 19 October 2014 - 10:12 AM

If this was the Rugby League part of this forum you would have a point. However this is the Cross code sub forum. As such you should expect a range of views on the topic from both a pro Rugby Union and pro Rugby league (and both) point of view. Unless you think the cross code forum should just entail people who prefer Rugby League stating how much better their game is to Rugby Union. In which case that would be rather boring and pointless in my view. You would essentially have someone making a post like this about Australian Rugby Union dying and everyone going - Yeah it is. It would be essentially a self reinforcing circle jerk.

#3016242 25k for Wallabies last week, 14k today v Arg ... Ouch

Posted by Gosman on 19 October 2014 - 09:22 AM

Each to their own of course but perhaps you could elucidate on that last point.  Tbf though, I have seen many great games of RL and I always think the same thing in reverse, i.e., that is why I prefer Rugby League over union.


It's the unpredictability of play in Rugby Union that plays a large part in my preference. I watched the NRL Grand final and while it was very intense and had a number of aspects of skilful and physical play the actual tactics displayed were on the whole rather repetitive. Each side kept it close to the ruck area only shifting it wide occasionally. Even on the 3rd or 4th tackle the ball was often kept within one or two passes from where the PTB was.

#3016165 25k for Wallabies last week, 14k today v Arg ... Ouch

Posted by Gosman on 19 October 2014 - 04:47 AM

Great game yesterday . I was sorry to see the Wallabies lose to be honest as they played by far the better game for much of the match. That sort of game is why I prefer Rugby Union over Rugby League.

#3016164 25k for Wallabies last week, 14k today v Arg ... Ouch

Posted by Gosman on 19 October 2014 - 04:46 AM

What many people here fail to realise is that Australian Rugby Union prior to the 1990's was in much worse shape than it is now. In a sense what we are seeing is a reversion to where it stood back then. However it is highly improbable that it will get as bad as it was before the 1980's ad it is incredibly doubtful that it will die. There is a number of reasons behind this but the key ones are a core of influential supporters, the popularity of the game amongst many immigrant communities, the strength of the game in the private school sector, and (most importantly) the strength and money in the international game. As much as AFL and NRL can claim big money in the domestic part of their game Rugby Union generates it's income via the international side and this is just increasing.

#2968362 NZ Sevens dilemma - Olympics

Posted by Gosman on 31 July 2014 - 02:14 AM

It could take these players a fair while to learn the "nuances" of the 7's game though.

Things like running, passing and tackling come to mind ;-)



Are you suggesting the All Black 15's players don't know how to run, pass or tackle?

#2967188 Commonwealth Games 7s

Posted by Gosman on 28 July 2014 - 06:38 PM

Yet Rugby Union has no problem getting people to watch the game. Why would Rugby Union contemplate your suggestion when 7 ' s is providing the publicity that the IRB was looking for?

#2966813 Commonwealth Games 7s

Posted by Gosman on 27 July 2014 - 11:51 PM

The tactics from NZ in the second part of the first half was deliberate to run down the clock whilst they were a man down. As for if the game was poor or not, I would suggest 45000 people at the game didn't agree with you.

#2966145 Commonwealth Games 7s

Posted by Gosman on 27 July 2014 - 07:44 AM

Rugby Union 7 ' s is about possession. Having a wing isolated might lose possession so some teams (not all I note and not all the time either) might prefer to keep it closer to support players.

How did you find the atmosphere? It looks pretty rocking on television.

#2919733 Transitioning to Rugby Union from Rugby League

Posted by Gosman on 21 April 2014 - 11:22 PM

Different era but who knows how many it put off.  No one will ever know.


You would have thought though that they might have at least give him a fair go - I mean, 212 minutes of union.  League gave players like Inga and Scott Quinnell a couple of years to get to grips with the game.


I agree. I would have liked to see his transition handled in a better way. Interesting that SBW move to NZ Rugby Union was managed very differently. He started out playing Club Rugby Union for a couple of games then the provincial championship with Caterbury before he played at Super Rugby Union level. This after a couple of seasons with Toulon as well. I think it is too much to expect many Rugby League players other than those switching to wing to play at Super 15 level first up. 


However my point wasn't to make out that Rugby League has inferior players. Benji Marshall was and possibly still is a superb and talented Rugby League player who has a high degree of skills and atheleticism. I was merely raising this as a counter to a perceived view that Rugby League players are likely going to be better at shared skills such as defence and on attack running with the ball. This was not the case with Benji Marshall. Defence was a prime example of this. The Hurricanes were able to exploit his channel on a number of occassions to make meters. This doesn't mean he doesn't know how to tackle though just that the defensive requirements between the codes are very different.

#2919725 Transitioning to Rugby Union from Rugby League

Posted by Gosman on 21 April 2014 - 10:18 PM

That is great news for Rugby League.  It might deter other players from moving across.


You mean the same way the John Gallagher failure detered players from switching to Rugby League in the early 1990's?

#2919638 Transitioning to Rugby Union from Rugby League

Posted by Gosman on 21 April 2014 - 06:50 PM

Looks like the Benji move has failed.



#2919637 Transitioning to Rugby Union from Rugby League

Posted by Gosman on 21 April 2014 - 06:49 PM

The fact that some Rugby League fans didn't like it just goes to prove the two codes are two completely different types of games and people will like one or the other based on their own personal preferences rather than some objective measure. I loved the Hurricanes versus Blues game myself. 7 tries each one scored in a different manner, whether it be long rang kick return or structured backline move and even a good old fashioned penalty try as a result of a dominant 5 meter scrum.

#2918931 Transitioning to Rugby Union from Rugby League

Posted by Gosman on 20 April 2014 - 05:21 AM

For all those who think top Rugby League players just need to turn up and play to be regarded as stars in a Rugby Union the Benji Marshall transition should highlight how wrong this view is. He finally got a reasonable amount of game time at 1st five eighth against the Hurricanes on Friday and struggled. Have a look at this on the highlights especially the 4th Hurricane try at 4:15. Looks like Benji has a lot to learn still.


#2898061 Cross code converts.

Posted by Gosman on 12 March 2014 - 07:36 PM

We are back to acknowledging that some people find Rugby League very predictable much of the time and believe Rugby Union has a greater variety in play during the game. That is why Rugby Union doesn't just turn itself in to Rugby League by dropping two players and eliminating the parts of the game where players can compete for possession.


I find it laughable that some Rugby League fans actually think the authorities in Rugby Union want to do this but can't because that would be an admission that Rugby League was right all along. Rugby Union authorities, on the whole, are more interested in developing the game as it is without concerning themselves with how another similar sport plays it game.