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#3117093 Burgess Watch......

Posted by Gosman on 04 May 2015 - 08:41 PM

The white populous are a small minority in South Africa yet they make up the vast majority of RU players and spectators. It remains the white mans game. This won't shift any time soon.


Given you didn't know that Coloured is an acceptable term in South Africa for people of mixed race I wouldn't place much store in your predictions on what will happen in South African sport. It seems it is you that is stuck in the pre 21st century mentality not I. Rugby Union has far more commercial pulling power in South Africa than most other sports including Football I believe. As a result they are in a far better position to attract the youth. As I pointed out to you there are already signinficant parts of the previously disadvantaged community where Rugby Union is firmly entrenched. Their challenge is to build on this. If you want to have a look at the future of South African Rugby Union check out the make up of their 7's squad.



#3116641 Burgess Watch......

Posted by Gosman on 04 May 2015 - 05:13 AM

The more obvious example of racism in the RU hierarchy was in South Africa. The 'white mans game' was the sporting wing of apartheid, the consequences of which are still in effect today (regardless of Mandela's incredible gesture). Most black South Africans couldn't care less about Rugby.


Very over simplistic take on South Africa both sporting wise and societal. Rugby Union is also the first choice sport amongst the Coloured community. It also has a big following amongst the African communities of the Eastern Cape. This is why the SARFU have been attempting to get a Super Rugby Union side based out there for the past few years.  

#3092800 Well you said you wanted tries...

Posted by Gosman on 21 March 2015 - 07:03 PM

Amazing. People here complain when most of the points in Rugby Union cone from penalties because it means the game is boring and restrictive. Then they complain when there are lots of tries because it means the game is boring and indicative of no defensive abilities. I think it is only indicative that people who prefer Rugby League like Rugby League over Rugby Union. There is no objective measure of a games attractiveness here.

#3042663 The world's third biggest sports event (RWC?)

Posted by Gosman on 08 December 2014 - 09:57 PM

The Rugby Union World Cup will not be shown on FTA tv in most of Europe certainly not in Scandinavia, Germany, Austria, Eastern Europe, Russia etc and a vast majority of the people in these lands/areas have no idea or interest in Union. However Handball or Ice Hockey will see massive interest and get far more publicity and you could easily argue that them sports, have a bigger reach than Union. Union outside the UK, France, NZ and South Africa its a minority sport. How many people in China, India, Brazil Russia, Mexico, Most of Africa have even heard of RUgby let alone have watched a game? The Spin from the kick and Clap brigade can make claims bt the reality is Union is not a global game and it certainly is not the 3rd biggest sporting event in the world. I can accept RUgby Leagus is a very tiny sport even in France and England. But it seems Union fans/people get very upset when you say that Union is not a Global Game and is not as big as they think it is. 


Perception is a large part of reality. If Rugby Union can hype it's World Cup so that people perceive it is a major tournament this generates a momentum of it's own and it will be regarded as such by more people especially by neutral media.


While I agree this exaggeration can be seen to be equivalent to blatent lying I see it no different to Boxing claiming a fight is for the World Championship when there are several of those or Baseball teams playing in the World Series when it is only US and Canada who play for it.

#3038332 "I'm back because I love and missed the game" - Sonny Bill Williams

Posted by Gosman on 27 November 2014 - 09:54 PM

Okay who here believes that playing for the All Blacks would be pretty special in terms of any sporting teams you could possibly play for? 


They are one of the iconic teams in world sport with a win ratio across over a 100 years which makes for pretty impressive reading. They have a great team culture and a style of play which encourages a full range of skills of individual players which seems to be generally entertaining to watch and I believe to play. 


Anyone disagree that a top class sports person wouldn't enjoy being involved with that?

#3033997 Attitude

Posted by Gosman on 16 November 2014 - 09:40 PM

I'm sure England RL would genuinely think they could beat Australia if they were facing Australia's '2nd' team like Scotland were doing yesterday with the All Blacks.


Unfortunately international RL doesn't often offer such luxuries.



Wasn't the Australian team in the Four Nations essentially their second string team?

#3028152 Controversial comments from AB coach on SBW

Posted by Gosman on 06 November 2014 - 06:20 PM



"Hansen says Williams is in his natural sport after having felt duty-bound to sign his Roosters contract in 2012, honouring a handshake agreement. “His love is rugby. He really loves the game and he feels he has more freedom playing it,” Hansen said. “He’s got the chance to express himself across the park.”"


The obvious response to that is why did he sign for another year then.

#3021636 Using Internationals and commercial tie ins to develop the game

Posted by Gosman on 28 October 2014 - 12:08 AM

The All Blacks are scheduled to play the USA Eagles Rugby Union side this weekend at Soldier's Field (home of the NFL side the Bears) in Chicago. The match is sold out (61,500 capacity stadium) and will be the biggest attendance for a Rugby Union match in the States ever by a long way. The game is being shown live on NBC (not sure if it is one of their minor channels though).



This goes to show how having an effective administration in a developing country tied in with both a visit from a top class international team and promotion by an large multinational sponsor (AIG is promoting the game heavily) can help a sport immensely.


It is something that Rugby League should look at in my view.  Surely the Australian RL team can look to increase it's support in key areas outside Australasia and the South Pacific. 

#3016437 25k for Wallabies last week, 14k today v Arg ... Ouch

Posted by Gosman on 19 October 2014 - 04:40 PM

 As you are fully aware, your comment about why you prefer union was intentionally provocative and unnecessary, hence Bearman's response.    Yes, it is a cross code forum but it's on a Rugby website so can you please refrain from the willy waggling or perhaps stick to planet onion if your intentions here are less than honest.

 With respect that is complete ######. My comments were in no way intentionally provocative. If I had been trying to be I would have stated that Saturday's Wallabies vs All Blacks match showed why Rugby Union is the better game. Instead I used it to explain why I preferred Rugby Union.


I fully understand and respect others have their own reasons why they like Rugby League over Rugby Union.  If people cannot deal with peoples different preferences being explained here then I'd suggest that shows a level of intolerance that Rugby Union was rightly criticised for in the past.

#3016272 25k for Wallabies last week, 14k today v Arg ... Ouch

Posted by Gosman on 19 October 2014 - 10:12 AM

If this was the Rugby League part of this forum you would have a point. However this is the Cross code sub forum. As such you should expect a range of views on the topic from both a pro Rugby Union and pro Rugby league (and both) point of view. Unless you think the cross code forum should just entail people who prefer Rugby League stating how much better their game is to Rugby Union. In which case that would be rather boring and pointless in my view. You would essentially have someone making a post like this about Australian Rugby Union dying and everyone going - Yeah it is. It would be essentially a self reinforcing circle jerk.

#3016242 25k for Wallabies last week, 14k today v Arg ... Ouch

Posted by Gosman on 19 October 2014 - 09:22 AM

Each to their own of course but perhaps you could elucidate on that last point.  Tbf though, I have seen many great games of RL and I always think the same thing in reverse, i.e., that is why I prefer Rugby League over union.


It's the unpredictability of play in Rugby Union that plays a large part in my preference. I watched the NRL Grand final and while it was very intense and had a number of aspects of skilful and physical play the actual tactics displayed were on the whole rather repetitive. Each side kept it close to the ruck area only shifting it wide occasionally. Even on the 3rd or 4th tackle the ball was often kept within one or two passes from where the PTB was.

#3016165 25k for Wallabies last week, 14k today v Arg ... Ouch

Posted by Gosman on 19 October 2014 - 04:47 AM

Great game yesterday . I was sorry to see the Wallabies lose to be honest as they played by far the better game for much of the match. That sort of game is why I prefer Rugby Union over Rugby League.

#3016164 25k for Wallabies last week, 14k today v Arg ... Ouch

Posted by Gosman on 19 October 2014 - 04:46 AM

What many people here fail to realise is that Australian Rugby Union prior to the 1990's was in much worse shape than it is now. In a sense what we are seeing is a reversion to where it stood back then. However it is highly improbable that it will get as bad as it was before the 1980's ad it is incredibly doubtful that it will die. There is a number of reasons behind this but the key ones are a core of influential supporters, the popularity of the game amongst many immigrant communities, the strength of the game in the private school sector, and (most importantly) the strength and money in the international game. As much as AFL and NRL can claim big money in the domestic part of their game Rugby Union generates it's income via the international side and this is just increasing.

#2968362 NZ Sevens dilemma - Olympics

Posted by Gosman on 31 July 2014 - 02:14 AM

It could take these players a fair while to learn the "nuances" of the 7's game though.

Things like running, passing and tackling come to mind ;-)



Are you suggesting the All Black 15's players don't know how to run, pass or tackle?

#2967188 Commonwealth Games 7s

Posted by Gosman on 28 July 2014 - 06:38 PM

Yet Rugby Union has no problem getting people to watch the game. Why would Rugby Union contemplate your suggestion when 7 ' s is providing the publicity that the IRB was looking for?