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  1. I've not read the entire thread, but just wondering if the RFL have responded to this? Would seem like an obvious thing to challenge them on in an upcoming issue if they'd agree to it (maybe unlikely).
  2. Cowardly Fan

    toronto

    You can call it a handful if you like, but it's from a low base. Overall that's an excellent % increase, especially because they are likely potential home fans and hence may come back.
  3. Cowardly Fan

    toronto

    There's a danger here the same as in politics. I'd argue most people here are in the centre ground on Toronto/expansion already, and then you end up asking people to be somewhere between moderate an extreme argument. There's a small amount of people who would be prepared to accept any expansion in North America and draw up plans for teams that don't exist in place of existing clubs. On the other side there's a small amount of people who are deeply resistant to any expansion, to the point they won't even accept there is any benefit from Toronto. I'd suggest most people are somewhere in between the two to varying degrees. I've no interest in pursuing it, as the individual in this case doesn't is more focused on insults (and mock offence when someone insults him) than responding to challenges.
  4. Cowardly Fan

    toronto

    I suspect you're right, but he isn't on Parky's level. He will soon run with the Pack too, he's just got to work through the stage of fear and denial. I will let him do that in peace now
  5. Cowardly Fan

    toronto

    Let me help you out - we now have 1 more professional club than before, so no they wouldn't be playing elsewhere or if they were they'd be pushing another player out of the game or at least semi pro. Those 4.7k are extra fans, we've not lost Bradford to gain Toronto. Plus as stated the fact they are home fans means they are worth more. At least you accept the big benefit of media attention, though I'm not sure the guardian is ever chip paper Now can you answer the question what Salford bring to the game, without babbling on about 'loads' of kids?
  6. Cowardly Fan

    toronto

    That's not a very compelling reason to keep them if that's all you have got. 'Babble about the future' is important, we can't only make decisions on what's good for now. Developing kids takes time, Toronto should contribute in Canada but they also provide other benefits here - more money in the game means an extra 25 players can go pro. That encourages young players to stick with the sport. They have unquestionably raised the profile of rugby league in the UK, which should attract new kids to play. Here's some immediate benefits - More media attention - More sponsorship opportunities - Toronto have done so already, RFL/SL should capitalise in the future - On average attendances are higher for Toronto away games. That's despite fewer away fans, so they help clubs reach a new group of potential fans (much more valuable than some away fans) Then of course you have *potential* TV revenue. This is the big if; you deride their existing efforts here but that's a necessary step to build an audience and isn't easily done. In a different way they're bringing more to the game here already than many SL clubs.
  7. Cowardly Fan

    toronto

    You've received several responses and ignored them, while still claiming noone has responded. You just made up what were 2 of their 'cornerstones' and neither were promises. Your 4th paragraph is pure fiction. Someone asked you a simple question about what Warrington or Salford offer Super League and you didn't even try to reply.
  8. Cowardly Fan

    toronto

    Football is now a billion dollar business in the USA. TWP can aim for a much smaller size of the pie, with much less investment.
  9. Cowardly Fan

    NZ Test Series - ticket sales

    Which would be fair (ok not Old Trafford). We should be able to forecast ticket sales at least to a range. 18-19k would be a poor effort I feel, so worrying seems valid.
  10. I think one of the main benefits is it gives us visibility. A normal round of games doesn't do that. Sky seem like it as well, though hard to quantify any impact on TV contract. Also, not sure if the host pays a fee? I know I've seen estimates of it bringing a few million to the local economy, so it's certainly possible.
  11. I agree with that, though it is quite common companies have people from finance backgrounds in the top role. One thing I'd note is Wood had to cope with a reduction in funding from the government. I'm sure his detractors would argue it was his responsibility to secure that funding, that's true to an extent but they reduced funding to sport overall so it would have been difficult to maintain funding. That reduction in funding made some cuts necessary, which was always going to make him unpopular - I'm not sure there was an alternative to cutting a large amount of development officers.
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    How clubs fiddle attendance figures

    It's a rumour, but I'd suggest internet forums without rumours would be much more boring.
  13. Cowardly Fan

    How clubs fiddle attendance figures

    I don't think it's that outrageous a claim. I've heard before of clubs having more people in than the official figure. He's referring to 20+ years ago, and things have been tightened up since then. You shouldn't have to give names for everything on an internet forum, for personal privacy & to avoid implicating people. I'd consider sharing my experience of borderline criminal behaviour in my work on here, but I'd stop short of giving names because I wouldn't want to risk the hassle for anyone. That lack of detail may make you doubt it, but it doesn't mean anyone has failed by not providing.
  14. Cowardly Fan

    How clubs fiddle attendance figures

    It's in part because their season tickets are so cheap, especially by standards of London teams. Many people bought who are either casual fans or don't even support them, so they go to see the big games and skip the rest. Added to that some fans are unhappy with the new stadium.
  15. Cowardly Fan

    How clubs fiddle attendance figures

    Yeah a bit of a false scandal, everyone knows it's tickets sold and the reasons are pretty obvious - accuracy, ease, sponsorship and to avoid introducing ticket exchanges. The Man Utd stat of 98% of tickets sold attending is almost certainly wrong. In 5 years of tracking those figures we only had 1 game that high.