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    York go top of League 1

    Recall reading a stat that York haven't won a league game in Cumbria since 2009. Be a tough task at Workington on September 2. Oldham at Bootham Crescent won't be a cakewalk, either.
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    Barrow arl

    I did include C&DL tables/finals in the other stuff. Do you want a season-by-season list of the clubs and where they played?
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    Barrow arl

    Interesting to ponder whether there was a Westmorland Cup. Westmorland never had as many population centres as Cumberland (in 1911 the county's entire population was less than 64,000), probably a factor in the former, historically, having fewer 'rugby' clubs. In The Roots of Rugby League, Trevor Delaney says in 1897-98 the Ambleside, Holme, Kendal, Kendal Hornets and Kirkby Lonsdale clubs all switched to the Northern Union. He adds that by 1906 there were so few non-Northern Union clubs in Cumberland and Westmorland the two counties' respective Rugby Unions decided to amalgamate. Sufficient Westmorland NU clubs for a Westmorland Cup? To muddy the waters further, there was such a beast as the Cumbria Cup (sponsored for a time by BNFL), contested by Barrow, Carlisle, Whitehaven and Workington. It was a decent trophy, as I recall. Anybody know about the history of that competition? By the late 1980s, the Cumbria Cup was a pre-season tournament, with two semi-finals and a final.
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    Barrow arl

    I assume the places in brackets refer to the nearest town or, if a village is out in the sticks/it's a town in its own right, Cumbria is used. If so, arguably, they should read: Brookland Rovers (Maryport), Dearham (Maryport), Distington (Cumbria), Egremont Rangers (Cumbria), Ellenborough Rangers (Maryport), Glasson Rangers (Maryport), Maryport (Cumbria), Millom (Cumbria), Wath Brow Hornets (Cleator Moor).
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    Barrow arl

    After much searching in the sweltering loft, I've located the other Cumbria Rugby League Annual, edited and published in 1992 by Whitehaven-based freelance journalist Gordon Brown. Stats relate to the 1990-91 season (no league tables, unfortunately). Cumbria Cup: Hensingham beat Millom. Cumberland Cup: Kells beat Hensingham. Cumberland Amateur Cup: Glasson Rangers beat Egremont Rangers. Dale Campbell Savours Cup: Great Clifton beat Wath Brow Hornets A. John Fletcher Cup: Hensingham A beat Cockermouth. John Nicholson Cup: Lowca A beat Cockermouth A. Hensingham reached the first round of the Challenge Cup, losing 7-24 (HT 3-12) to Dewsbury at Derwent Park, Workington (crowd 1,057). Cumberland League Division One: Ellenborough Rangers, champions; Hensingham, runners-up. Top four play-off: Lowca beat Kells. Division Two: Dalston, champions; Great Clifton runners-up. Top four play-off: Great Clifton beat Dalston. Division Three: Egremont Rangers A, champions; Wigton runners-up. Top four play-off: Hensingham A beat Cockermouth. Division Four: Lowca A, champions; Dearham Wanderers, runners-up. Top four play-off: Lowca A beat Broughton Red Rose A. Norweb Nines: Seaton Rangers beat Frizington. By this time, Carlisle area teams had been absorbed by the Cumberland League. Listed clubs for 1991-92 include (all in Division Four) Horse & Farrier, Linton Holme, Penrith and St Nicholas Arms. Dalston are in Division One. Other interesting entries include Corkickle and Westfield Hotel (both Division Two), and Westfield Welfare (Division Three). No listings for the Barrow & District League. West Cumbria Youth League U19 Champions: Hensingham. Top Four Cup: Hensingham 19 Egremont Rangers 14. League Cup: Hensingham 24 Egremont Rangers 12. Cumbria Cup: Hensingham 26 Egremont Rangers 12. Also comps for U17, U15, U13, U11 and U9 (if you want them). Cumbria U19 (beat Yorkshire 26-8, drew with Lancashire 14-14) won the County Youth Championship. Hensingham U19 (lost 14-16 to Saddleworth Rangers) reached the semi-finals of the BNFL National Youth Cup.
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    Barrow arl

    Frizington aren't listed in that table for that season. The FIM annuals were put together in the days of hot metal and typesetters. I imagine a few errors crept past the proofreader. Some interesting clubs that are long gone: Blue Bell, Brigham, Broughton Moor, Haverigg Prison, Mirehouse, St Bees, Shipwrights, Twinames and Wigton plus all the Carlisle area teams. A couple of former colleagues used to play for Dalston. I can't answer the League Cup/Top Four question. It may be, some years, there wasn't an end-of-season play-off. The Cumberland League, in particular, had so many competitions because businesses kept approaching the league, asking to sponsor a cup!
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    Barrow arl

    Certainly did when I was sports editor (1987-90). :-) Seems like another life now...
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    West Wales Raiders

    Whether you like it or not, Peter Martini is a qualified journalist therefore no need to qualify with inverted commas. Most clubs the size of York would give their right you-know-what for the sort of coverage the York Press gives York RLFC. What sort of coverage do West Wales Raiders attract from South Wales media? Virtually none, I'm guessing. I wonder why.
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    Barrow arl

    1983-84 Matthew Brown Cumberland League, Div One (W D L Pts) Great Clifton 16 0 2 32; Egremont 15 0 3 30; Hensingham 11 1 6 23; Kells 11 1 6 23; Glasson 8 1 9 17; Mirehouse 7 1 10 15; Wath Brow 7 0 11 14; Broughton Red Rose 6 1 11 13; Lowca 4 1 13 9; Ellenborough 2 0 16 4. Matthew Brown Cumberland League, Div Two (W D L Pts) Seaton 16 0 2 32; Maryport 14 1 3 29; Kells 13 1 4 27; Great Clifton 13 0 5 26; Cockermouth 7 1 10 15; Hensingham 7 1 10 15; Egremont 6 0 12 12; Brigham 4 0 14 8; Wath Brow 2 0 16 4. Matthew Brown Cumberland League, Div Three (W D L Pts) Broughton Moor 16 0 2 32; Seaton 13 1 4 27; Wigton 13 0 5 26; Lowca 10 0 8 20; Maryport 9 1 8 19; Glasson 8 0 10 16; Frizington 5 2 11 12; Mirehouse 5 1 12 11; Dalston 5 0 13 10; Broughton Red Rose 3 3 12 9. U17 (W D L Pts) Derwent Park 6 0 0 12; Kells 4 0 2 8; Wath Brow 2 0 4 4; Hensingham 0 0 6 0. Div One Top Four: Egremont 26 Great Clifton 2. Cumberland Cup: Egremont 15 Great Clifton 14. Amateur Cup: Egremont 25 Hensingham 13. Cumbria Cup: Kells 13 Wath Brow 12. Dale Campbell Savours Cup: Maryport 20 Egremont A 6. Div Two Top Four: Maryport 18 Seaton 8. Div Three Top Four: Broughton Moor 15 Wigton 12. U19 Cup: Kells 14 Wath Brow 0. U19 Top Four: Hensingham 16 Glasson 3. Sevens: Hensingham 18 Glasson 4. McEwan Younger Carlisle League (W D L Pts) Aspatria 16 0 0 32; Horse & Farrier 13 1 2 27; Caledonian 12 1 3 25; Platform One 7 2 7 16; Morton 7 1 8 15; Wigton 7 1 8 15; Board Inn 5 0 10 10; Friars Tavern 2 0 14 4; Malt Shovel 0 0 16 0. Brian Whitaker Cup: Caledonian 52 Horse & Farrier 24. Try Trophy: Aspatria 24 Horse & Farrier 12. Sevens: Wigton B. West Cumbria Youth League U17 Cup: Derwent Park 15 Hensingham 8. U17 Top Four: Kells 10 Hensingham 8 (replay). U15 Cup: Ellenborough 20 Derwent Park 8. U15 Top Four: Derwent Park 12 Kells 8. U13 Cup: Kells 46 Hensingham 0. U13 Top Four: Kells 52 Egremont 0. U11 League: Kells. Lions Cup: Kells. Fred Fox Shield: Derwent Park A. Sevens: Kells A. Schools Nines: Monkwray. National Youth Inter-League Final: Copeland 14 Wigan 8 @ Derwent Park, Workington. Copeland's team included future professionals Gary Hetherington, Frank Johnson, Duncan McCartney, Peter Smith (all Whitehaven).
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    Barrow arl

    1982-83 Matthew Brown Cumberland League, Div One (W D L Pts) Lowca 20 0 4 40; Kells 19 0 5 38; Wath Brow 19 0 5 38; Egremont 18 0 6 36; Clifton 16 1 7 33; Hensingham 13 1 10 27; Glasson 13 1 10 27; Ellenborough 9 0 15 18; Broughton 6 2 16 14; Mirehouse 6 1 17 13; Maryport 5 1 18 11; Seaton 4 2 18 10; Cockermouth 2 1 21 5. Matthew Brown Cumberland League, Div Two (W D L Pts) Kells 24 0 3 48; Clifton 23 1 4 47; Frizington 23 0 5 46; Twinames 21 0 6 42; Egremont 17 0 8 34; Hensingham 13 0 14 26; Wath Brow 12 0 14 24; Ellenborough 9 1 15 19; Dalston 9 1 17 19; Glasson 9 0 18 19; Maryport 8 1 16 17; Lowca 8 1 12 17; Broughton 7 1 18 15; Cockermouth 6 0 18 12; Seaton 1 2 21 4. Slalom County Cup: Kells 15 Hensingham 11. Cumberland Amateur Cup: Egremont 21 Ellenborough 6. Cumberland Cup: Wath Brow 13 Kells 10. Div One Cup: Kells 12 Lowca 8. Div Two Cup: Clifton 18 Kells 13. U19 County Cup: Kells 11 Hensingham 3. U19 Cumberland Cup: Kells 10 Glasson 4. U19 League Cup: Kells 10 Hensingham 8. Sevens: Kells 20 Maryport 5. West Cumbria Youth League U17 League: Derwent Park. U17 Cup: Hensingham 18 Derwent Park 10 (replay). U17 League Cup: Hensingham 18 Derwent Park 0. U15 League: Derwent Park. U15 Cup: Derwent Park 14 Kells 7. U15 League Cup: Derwent Park 26 Hensingham 5. U13 League: Kells. U13 Cup: Kells 15 Derwent Park 5. U13 League Cup: Kells 11 Hensingham 5. U19 (W D L Pts) Kells 13 0 1 26; Hensingham 10 0 4 20; Maryport 9 0 5 18; Wath Brow 9 0 5 18; Glasson 8 0 6 16; Egremont 7 0 7 14; Seaton 2 0 12 4; Dalston 0 0 14 0. McEwan-Younger Carlisle & District League (W D L Pts) Platform One 17 1 2 35; Horse & Farrier 17 1 2 35; Caledonian 10 0 10 20; RAF Carlisle 9 0 11 18; Royal Scot 4 0 16 8; Pioneers 2 0 8 4. League title play-off: Platform One 22 Horse & Farrier 12. Brian Whitaker Cup: Platform One 17 Horse & Farrier 12. Challenge Cup: Platform One.
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    Barrow arl

    1984-85 Cumberland League, Div One (W D L Pts) Egremont 12 2 4 26; Hensingham 12 0 6 24; Glasson 11 1 6 23; Broughton Red Rose 8 2 8 18; Kells 8 1 9 17; Great Clifton 8 1 9 17; Seaton 8 1 9 17; Wath Brow 7 1 10 15; Maryport 6 0 12 12; Mirehouse 4 1 13 9. Div Two (W D L Pts) Lowca 17 0 1 34; Ellenborough 16 1 3 33; Cockermouth 14 0 6 28; Kells A 12 1 7 25; Broughton Moor 12 0 8 24; Great Clifton A 8 1 11 17; Seaton A 7 0 12 14; Frizington 7 0 13 14; Hensingham A 6 1 13 13; Egremont A 6 0 13 12; Wath Brow A 1 0 19 2. Div Three (W D L Pts) St Bees 16 0 1 32; Wigton 13 1 4 27; Aspatria 12 0 6 24; Flimby 11 0 7 22; Glasson A 9 0 9 18; Maryport A 9 0 8 18; Dalston 7 0 9 14; Blue Bell 7 0 11 14; Broughton Red Rose A 4 1 13 9; Shipwrights 0 0 18 0. BARLA National Inter-League Shield: Copeland 14 Hull 5. Cumbria Cup: Glasson 14 Ulverston 10. Cumbria Youth Cup: Glasson 4 Kells 2. Cumberland Cup: Glasson 26 Broughton Red Rose 22. Cumberland Amateur Cup: Egremont 27 Kells 3. Dale Campbell Savours Cup: Broughton Moor 16 Cockermouth 6. Div One Ch'ship Cup: Glasson 10 Egremont 8. Div Two Ch'ship Cup: Lowca 12 Ellenborough 8. Div Three Ch'ship Cup: St Bees 24 Wigton 10. BNFL Contractors Sevens: Kells (open age), Glasson (U13). Cumberland League, U19 (W D L Pts) Hensingham 6 0 0 12; Glasson 3 0 3 6; Kells 3 0 3 6; Wath Brow 0 0 6 0. U17 (W D L Pts) Hensingham 4 1 0 9; Kells 3 0 2 6; Egremont 2 1 3 5; Ellenborough 1 0 5 2. U15 (W D L Pts) Kells 12 0 0 24; Egremont 8 0 4 16; Glasson 7 1 4 15; Great Clifton 6 0 6 12; Cockermouth 4 0 8 8; Wath Brow 3 2 7 8; Derwent Park 0 1 11 1. U13 (W D L Pts) Hensingham 14 0 1 28; Kells 13 0 2 26; Cockermouth 9 0 5 18; Arlecdon 6 1 7 13; Derwent Park 5 1 8 11; Egremont 5 0 9 10; Seaton 0 0 14 0; Glasson 0 0 14 0. U19 Cup: Hensingham 22 Wath Brow 16. U19 Ch'ship Cup: Hensingham 11 Glasson 8. U17 Cup: Kells 10 Ellenborough 8. U17 Sevens: Hensingham. U15 Cup: Kells 36 Glasson 16. U15 Ch'ship Cup: Kells 16 Glasson 1. U13 Cup: Hensingham 12 Cockermouth 8. U13 Ch'ship Cup: Hensingham 24 Cockermouth 6. U11 Cup: Hensingham 28 Kells 6. U11 Sevens: Hensingham. Brian Snape Schools Cup: Monkwray. Carlisle League (W D L Pts) Horse & Farrier 15 0 1 30; Morton 12 0 4 24; Caledonian 10 3 3 23; Wigton A 8 2 6 18; Platform One 8 1 7 17; Dalston A 5 2 9 12; Aspatria A 5 2 9 12; Friars Tavern 2 0 14 4; Pioneers 2 0 14 4. Brian Whittaker Cup: Caledonian 22 Horse & Farrier 6. Try KO Cup: Horse & Farrier 22 Morton 19. Chivers Sports League Cup: Wigton 34 Caledonian 22. Sevens: Horse & Farrier.
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    Barrow arl

    1981-82 Matthew Brown League, Cumberland Division One (W D L Pts) Kells 13 2 1 28; Hensingham 12 2 3 26; Lowca 11 1 6 23; Glasson Rangers 10 1 5 21; Maryport 10 0 8 20; Ellenborough Rangers 7 2 8 16; Great Clifton 6 0 11 12; Seaton Rangers 4 2 11 10; Cockermouth 3 2 12 8; Broughton Red Rose 3 0 14 6. Matthew Brown League, Cumberland Division Two (W D L Pts) Kells A 18 2 0 38; Egremont Rangers 17 1 2 35; Hensingham A 14 0 8 28; Lowca A 13 0 8 26; Great Clifton A 12 1 9 25; Wath Brow Hornets 11 1 10 23; Seaton Rangers A 10 1 11 21; Twinames 10 0 12 20; Glasson Rangers A 8 0 13 16; Maryport A 7 0 15 14; Broughton Red Rose A 6 0 15 12; Cockermouth A 1 0 21 2. Regional League Player of the Year: John Brocklebank (Egremont Rangers). Slalom County Cup: Kells 12 Egremont Rangers 3.Cumberland Cup: Maryport 15 Kells 8. Cumberland Amateur Cup: Kells 18 Wath Brow Hornets 9. Cumberland League Cup: Glasson Rangers 16 Lowca 13. Division Two League Cup: Hensingham 25 Kells 16. Cumberland U19 Cup: Egremont Rangers 19 Glasson Rangers 10. Cumberland U19 League Cup: Egremont Rangers 7 Glasson Rangers 2. Cumberland U21 Cup: Glasson Rangers 25 Kells 10. Cumberland League Sevens: Kells. Cumberland U17 Cup: Hensingham 26 Glasson Rangers 9. Cumberland U17 League Cup: Kells 21 Hensingham 14. Cumberland U15 Cup: Seaton Rangers 21 Egremont Rangers 0. Cumberland U15 League Cup: Wath Brow Hornets 27 Seaton Rangers 8. Cumberland U13 Cup: Kells 14 Wath Brow Hornets 11. Cumberland U13 League Cup: Kells 14 Wath Brow Hornets 3. Cumberland U11 Cup: Kells 10 Mirehouse 3. Cumberland U11 League Cup: Kells 18 Arlecdon 5.
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    Barrow arl

    They do. I'll add them shortly. May as well let everybody see them. Might jog a few useful memories! The four FIM annuals also carry Carlisle & District League tables/results, if you're interested. There was a fifth Cumbria Rugby League Annual, put together a few years later by a Whitehaven-based freelance (FIM - Bruce Foster, Alan Irving and Graham Mumberson - were all Cumbrian Newspapers, now CN Group, employees). Sure I have a copy somewhere in the loft. I'll see if I can locate it.
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    Barrow arl

    1984-85 Barrow Division One (W D L Pts) Barrow Island 15 0 3 30; Millom 13 1 4 27; Walney Central 13 0 5 26; Ulverston 12 1 5 25; Askam 12 0 6 24; Holker Pioneers 7 0 11 14; Dalton 6 1 11 13; Corporation Combine 6 0 12 12; Roose 3 0 15 6; Marsh Hornets 1 1 16 3. Barrow Division Two (W D L Pts) Millom A 18 0 0 36; Haverigg Prison 13 0 5 26; Walney Central A 11 1 6 23; Roose A 8 3 7 19; Ulverston A 9 1 8 19; Askam A 8 2 8 18; Barrow Island A 9 0 9 18; Dalton A 8 0 10 16; Corporation Combine A 1 1 16 3; Holker Pioneers A 1 0 17 2. Barrow U17s (W D L Pts) Holker Pioneers 20 0 0 40; Abbey Vikings 15 0 4 30; Askam 10 0 9 20; Barrow Island 7 0 13 14; Walney Central 4 0 14 8; Roose 1 0 17 2. Barton Townley Cup: Barrow Island 20 Walney Central 4. Harry Warman Cup: Holker Pioneers 36 Millom A 28. Div One Ch'ship Cup: Barrow Island 19 Walney Central 18. Div Two KO Cup: Dalton A 22 Millom A 12. U17 KO Cup: Holker Pioneers 28 Abbey Vikings 12. U17 Ch'ship Cup: Holker Pioneers 6 Askam 4. U15 Cup: Walney Central 22 Askam 16. U13 Cup: Barrow Island 24 Holker Pioneers 18. U11 Cup: Holker Pioneers 30 Ulverston 0. U9 Cup: Barrow Island 16 Roose 0. These four FIM annuals are packed with other information such as league officials, ground locations, club officials, active referees etc. Shout up if you want anything else.
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    Barrow arl

    1983-84 Barrow Division One (W D L Pts) Millom 16 0 2 32; Ulverston 14 1 3 29; Barrow Island 10 3 5 23; Askam 11 0 7 22; Roose 9 0 9 18; Walney Central 9 0 9 18; Holker Pioneers 9 0 10 16; Dalton 7 0 11 14; Corporation Combine 2 2 14 6; Marsh Hornets 1 0 17 2. Barrow Division Two (W D L Pts) Millom A 18 0 0 36; Dalton A 14 0 4 28; Walney Central A 13 0 5 26; Barrow Island A 9 2 7 20; Roose A 8 1 9 17; Askam A 8 1 9 17; Ulverston A 6 0 12 12; Holker Pioneers A 4 1 13 8; Haverigg Prison 4 0 14 8; Marsh Hornets A 3 1 14 7. Barrow U19s (W D L Pts) Millom 15 0 1 30; Dalton 12 0 4 24; Holker Pioneers 9 0 7 18; Roose 3 1 12 7; Marsh Hornets 0 1 15 1. Barrow U17s (W D L Pts) Barrow Island 12 0 0 24; Dalton 10 0 2 20; Holker Pioneers 8 0 4 16; Walney Central 4 0 8 8; Millom 4 0 8 8; Abbey Vikings 3 0 9 6. Division One Top Four: Barrow Island 14 Millom 7. Barton Townley Cup: Ulverston 14 Corporation Combine 6. Harry Warman Handicap Cup: Millom A 52 Roose A 48. Division Two Cup: Millom A 20 Barrow Island A 12. U19 League Cup: Millom 24 Holker Pioneers 12. U17 Top Four: Barrow Island 34 Dalton 8. U17 KO Cup: Barrow Island 36 Abbey Vikings 8. U9: Walney Central 22 Ulverston 18. U11: Holker Pioneers 12 Walney Central 6. U13: Holker Pioneers 26 Barrow Island 16. U15: Barrow Island 36 Abbey Vikings 6.