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Obviously if thats true then it must include some players that have left. If not then its clear to see where Bradford were going wrong, they could have easily afforded to stay at Odsal if they were spending similar on players to say Dewsbury couldn't they?

Not accusing at all. Its pretty clear to most people that is what is going on but it is what was needed wasn't it?

Im a rugby league fan is why Im bothered, as already mentioned I have Bradford fans as close friends as well and I love our derbys with Bradford. I wouldnt expect those questions to be answered but if they were and it all turns out well and good for Bradford then great, if it goes the way Im thinking its going to go then I will come back and say I told you so.

Ryan Hall probably still get picked because he had a few good games 10 years ago.

Im not sure if you are serious or not but I will give you the benefit. What assets to strip? The sale of players. Id assume cutting players from the payroll will probably help in saving money in the sense that when funding comes through or sales of season tickets there won't be much in the way of wages to pay leaving more money in the bank. The second part is theory the first part is fact. Nobody is making money from this - Id agree with that until I see anything to the contary but I never said they were, I asked the question who is benefitting. Lets say there is a whole list of creditors, word from different people(One may have been Sawyer in one of his various interviews) is that not all of the creditors have been spoken to or agreed any deal, what if the ones getting paid off with the sale of assets are directly linked to the people taking over? Im not saying that is certainly the case but it is a possibility hence the question. Now apart from the moral questions it could lead to problems down the line for the club and fans. First of all theres the question of who actually owns the club because at the moment it looks to still be the original people so it does beg the question should they actually be paying off creditors just yet. Ignoring that as just a slight delay in filing some paperwork it has to be asked how do they decide which creditors to pay off when its been openly admitted that they have not spoken to all of them? What if the others turn around and say they now want paying in full or at the very least want the same deal as the ones paid off, hello winding up order and more burying heads in the sand. Its not my club though so I really shouldn't be bothered. To be fair if I didn't know what I know about Nigel Wood I probably wouldn't be.

Again though it should be cleared up fairly soon when the change of ownership hits CH.......

Not digging a hole, asking questions that Bradford fans should be asking. If the deal isn't quite signed sealed and delivered then it goes back to the question of who is doing the asset stripping and which companies are benefiting from it and do they have links to the people who are taking over?

So you are saying it might not bequite over the line yet then?

Unless Im getting confused the RFL and Sawyer have seen the revised budgets rather than the accounts? Why has the takeover not been officially completed despite what these trustworthy people are saying?

Once done the changes happen pretty much the next day at companies house. Im sure I read it somwhere that the "takeover" had been completed but it might just be something else we have got wrong? Reading posts by a certain poster on the Bradford fans site you would say that person either has too much time on his hands or knows something else is about to go down and given the level of detail he is able to go in to it certainly suggests the latter.

They paid Halifax with an advancement of this years funds. I believe other people have said they have used future funds though.

How much is the debt getting wrote off? Or what is sponsorship deal actually worth? If I were a Bradford fan I would want to know exactly what AC was getting his free sponsorship for especially when he has good friends involved in the takeover.

So not really a change of ownership at the moment then?

From the piece in the T & A it mentions somethig about sponsorship so maybe he has wiped it out in exchange for free sponsorship. I doubt that would be allowed to happen but it would raise more questions if it did. Nigel Wood allowing his good pal AC to advertise for free in exchange for wiping out an alleged 6 figure debt........

It really doesn't answer much unless Im reading the wrong article. If anything if I were a Bradford fan Id be even more worried after reading that. Still won't be long until those accounts are available.........

On the plus side at least the RFL have conducted their own independant enquiry in to the Bradford saga and have concluded no wrong doing. Certainly seems that there is nothing to see here.

I get part of that was aimed at me but I can't remember recently saying that Fax were still the team owed money. We were one of the teams owed money though from the cup tie before it all started unravelling and because it was causing cash flow problems for Halifax as well I believe the RFL paid Halifax with an advancement of Bradfords central funding from this season. So back to AC who when appointed in front of someone who was deemed more suitable by the adminstrator we saw a lot of digging which suggested that AC was not really the money man that most Bradford fans craved. So fast forward till now and we learn that AC has run up what is believed to be a high 6 figure debt helping out a team that he really does not have much affiliation to is shall we say just a tad far fetched. To then go further and say that obviously this could be proved as those figures would have to be shown in the accounts as loans from AC but as of yet the accounts are conspicuous by their abscence which is strange especially as its highly unlikley anyone would even dream about taking over the club without seeing those yet here we have people willing to take over a club that they could essentially get for nothing but instead take it over and despite player sales will start been hundreds of thousands of pounds in debt. So the question again would be why do it? Especially given that it can't officially go through until all the creditors have been spoken to and agreed a deal. Has that actually happened? Is that what the delay is for? If its not gone through who is stripping the assets and which creditors are getting paid? Do any of those creditors have direct links with any of the people taking over? Im not doing this to poo stir, I have a lot of friends who are Bradford fans and I love our derbys, Bradford fans have been screwed over time and time again and its not now when they should be burying their heads in the sand its now time for them to be asking tough questions because it looks like rinse and repeat to me and this time its more about covering tracks than it is about protecting the future of Bradford Bulls.

If not then who is sanctioning the asset strip and which creditors are getting their money back and do they have links with the people taking over?

Has anyone asked how Andrew Chalmers has managed to run up a personal 6 figure debt while in charge of the Bulls? Seen as though rumours seem to suggest that he is one of the biggest creditors and is now willing to write that debt off I would think the fans have a right to know how that debt has been accumulated and where that money actually came from. Does the debt even exist and does it explain the delay in the filing of the accounts which seemed to be one of the reasons CB pulled out.

Last time I posted about Nigel Wood I had my post removed and faced a ban after posting about some of the stuff he got up to so I won’t be doing that again but it’s safe to say my opinion is that he is not someone you would want running your rugby club. Its interesting reading the Bradford message board that another consortium is interested and they include people owed a lot of money by the Bulls which could stop the Wood take over happening. They also mention a big scandal that is due to come out shortly that is big enough to be covered by the nationals that could have serious implications over the Bulls continuing as they are.

Putting together a good side for next year......

The players apart from the select few who have signed new contracts are effectively thrown on the RL scrap heap and now have to find themselves chances elsewhere or go back to play for amateur clubs. Not impressed and quickly losing any remaining love I have for the "proffesional" game.

Yeah its all very strange, why would someone want to take over a club that is losing money plus already has massive debts over its head. There has to be something else that people are missing.

How come?

Come on it was obvious what was going to happen regards your reserves players playing for Leeds reserves. Regards the rules I think DR has always been able to work both ways although I would hazard a guess that your reserves players will have signed some sort of contract with Leeds to avoid the messing about of DR. I should add I don't blame either team it will work well for Fev filling out Leeds reserves so they can still DR Leeds better available players.