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  1. You realize Wolf Grooming is a brand right? It's not a business. The company that owns Wolf Grooming is called Apollo Health and Beauty Care. It's a gigantic beauty products producer.
  2. Great contribution to the thread, about what I expect from the peanut gallery on this forum. Time to back your statements up with some facts. Or go have another drink It's even worse when you compare actual revenues of clubs per match. Super League teams pull in about as much as the Azerbaijan Football League. I am glad Super League aspires to compete with Azerbaijan Football League for revenues oh and the WNBA
  3. Would the Manchester Manics have 8k fans a match? Doubtful. Toronto Wolfpack have a proven fanbase and demand for the product, the issue is that the League they play in is not optimized or structured to take advantage of this product. That needs to change if they are to be successful. Like I said above, you are #60 in terms of revenue in the World, right between the Romanian and Egyptian Football Leagues. I would hope Super League aspires to be bigger than the Romanian Football League someday? As far as the CFL is concerned, Super League isn't even in the same ballpark. CFL teams pull in around 4.5x the revenue that the average Super League clubs do annually, and that's for a field sport played on grass in a Country that experiences harsh Winters.
  4. Canadian Football doesn't have a global appeal the way Rugby does. Rugby has global appeal and is played around the globe, in some form or another. The problem is that Rugby (both codes) is ultra-conservative and is about 50 years behind every other sport in terms of actually running and administering itself like a proper PROFESSIONAL sport. I can go to any Country in the World and will most likely find a Rugby Club throwing a Rugby Ball around, either playing XVs or XIIIs. You can't do the same thing with Gridiron.
  5. I'm calling BS on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_leagues_by_revenue Many sports leagues make all sorts of money and many also turn a nice profit. I think you'll note that the above is a uniquely British issue. Super League is way down the list btw, it's clubs make about as much as the Egyptian Football League in terms of revenue. That is the issue with the sport of RL in the Northern Hemisphere, it isn't a money making sport but it could be with a new vision and strategy. It should be as profitable as the NRL.
  6. They would definitely be willing to pay something. Again, it's all about having a Tiered broadcasting setup with different access options and associated costs for different types of fans. You could have a Canadian Broadcasting deal for just the Canadian Teams, you could also have a local broadcasting deal if all you are interested in watching is your local club. If you want to watch every single game, you can pay for a package with greater access options.
  7. All NHL clubs have quite large local TV rights. Forbes has a list here: https://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlh45eemg/3-montreal-canadiens/#764d9db36ff7 The largest is actually Montreal, who receive $61 Million a year from Réseau des Sports. You are right though that many clubs don't publish this. Boston doesn't publish how much this receive from NESN but you can imagine that it is quite substantial given how popular the Bruins are. The NHL also has their own network as do many clubs themselves. This is really the problem with Rugby League TV broadcasting, it basically only caters to one type of fan, the diehard, who will be the one that buys a SKY dish just to watch the few games they do show. The NHL and other leagues have cracked the TV game, they have different levels of broadcasting that target different groups of fans: casuals who will watch the odd game, people only interested in one team, diehards, etc. I am really only interested in watching TWP and the Major games, i.e. Challenge Cup Final, Grand Final, etc. I have no interest in watching a random match of the week between two clubs I have no interest in.
  8. Good post. As I indicated above, the SKY deal is really quite garbage. NHL clubs have National Broadcasting deals but they also have the ability to go out and get their own local deals. The Toronto Maple Leafs local tv deal is worth far more than the National Broadcast deal. Sportsnet pays the Leafs $700,000 a game for local TV broadcasting rights. TWP have no ability to get a local TV deal at present because SKY has a 100% monopoly on TV Broadcasts, they sell those to Sportsnet here and they go on a Sportsnet pay channel for pennies. It's the most archaic deal ever and harkens back to the early 1990s and DirecTV here. I didn't even think people still had satellite dishes, they certainly don't in North America, especially not in densely populated areas.
  9. Happens in Canada as well with hockey. NHL Canadian TV deal is worth $5.2 billion over 12 years or $433,000,000.00 per season but it's divided amongst all 31 clubs in the league (soon to be 32 with Seattle). There are 7 Canadian clubs in the league so they each get $13.7 million from the National deal but if we followed your rules, they would get a lot more. NHL Clubs receive another $200 million per season from NBC for American rights, or $6.4 million per club but on top of this, each club also has the ability to sell local rights to local tv stations. Some of these local deals are worth more to clubs than any of the National broadcasting deals. The Toronto Maple Leafs local deal is worth $40 millon a season, roughly. The problem with Rugby League in England is SKY has the sport by the balls with an incredibly archaic TV deal, the competition that is Super League is also not even a National Brand, it's basically regional. The population catchment area is very small. The NHL in North America was like this 40 years ago but embarked on a concerted effort in the early 1990s to change this and now has clubs in places I would have never dreamed of. When the changes happened, traditionalists were ######, we lost my club in Quebec City who moved to Colorado. However, as the NHL has gotten richer and more profitable, the opportunity for clubs to come back has emerged. Winnipeg being the latest to return and in far stronger financial position than when they left, given all the different revenue streams the league now has. Super League needs to massively expand its footprint and brand. Toulouse should 100% be in SL as should London. If you can get two clubs in London, even better. Likewise, if Super League wants to expand to North America it needs to do it right.
  10. People here suffer from selective memory loss, particularly when it comes to Toronto Wolfpack.
  11. I think this is a pretty good post tbh. I don't think it's reasonable to have a bunch of Canadians playing in SL right away but I think it behoves TWP and Ottawa to work with the Ontario Rugby League to develop local competition. TWP and Ottawa should each jointly fund a few amateur clubs in their respective areas. This could actually be quite easy to achieve and all it would take would be giving money to existing Rugby sides in the area in exchange for them running a League side alongside their existing XVs side. They could hire a development officer who could manage these programs for them. It wouldn't be an exhaustive expense (not when compared to paying players like SBW $$$millions per year) and could be targeted primarily at infrastructure and resources (bag of balls, sets of jerseys, referee courses, etc). They could also throw some money at some of the Rugby fields in the towns (Fletchers and Twin Elm could both use it). You would get the clubs onside quickly by doing this and would get access to the most important resource, players. With a healthy base of clubs, you could now start an academy side that could play in the AMNRL and represent all of Ontario, you could also have an Academy side play in England as well. I would make both these academies joint efforts and they would be supported by both clubs. The club in England could be called Canada Selects XV and would put the best talent (i.e. the Quinn Ngawati's) in to a competition like League 1 or the NCL and they would be a non-promotable side but would purely exist to support development of Canadian talent. This isn't even a unique concept in Canada. The Canadian Rugby Union did something similar a few years ago, first through the Pacific Pride Program in BC and later through North Wales XV in partnership with the Welsh Rugby Union. These sides didn't win all that much but they developed Canadian players in a high performance environment and did make the National Team a lot better. They also helped those players secure top contracts in European clubs and many went on to quite successful professional careers (Jamie Cudmore, Jebb Sinclair, Morgan Williams, Dan Baugh, Ryan Smith to name but a few). It was when Canada XV stopped doing this and pivoted towards Sevens (to secure Olympic funding) that the Canadian Rugby Union shot itself in the foot. Edit: Final thoughts, We really need to stop getting others from NZ, Australia, Europe, etc telling us how to run our rugby programs over here. The cultures and sport aren't the same and Rugby Canada did this for years to the detriment of our National team in XVs. Get Canadians who know the landscape here and understand the Rugby community here to run and administer these programs.
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