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[Padge]

It helps when you watch the game through TWO eyes. Goodnight.

It helps when you are willing to accept the decisions of the officials and/or the disciplinary if they adjudicate.

IF Tomkins is pulled I will accept the outcome, will you.

Now about this misleading topic title, when are you changing it to reflect your real issue.

You've been rruuuummmmbbbeeeeeelllllllllllled.

[Hannibal]

Nathan Brown had his say a couple of months back but it would appear nothing has changed on the evidence of last night. Last nights wigan v wire game was a classic for R.L fans with some huge hits but one cowardly act soured it for me. If Joel Tomkins gets away with anything less than a 4 match ban for his thuggish late elbow into Mylers face then the R.F.L aren't serious about protecting our fine young talents. A big hit face to face is one thing but coming four yards to drop into someones face when they can't protect themselves is totally unacceptable. It's now or never for the disciplinary panel to lay down a marker and protect talents like Myler.

I read the whole thread to see if you had any relevant points to make.

I should have just read your first post and said the following. ###### off.

[Hannibal]

And just a point of order.

Morley hit the kicker late at least 4 times last night.

To be honest, he just looks too lazy to get back into the defensive line, so he takes two steps forward and barges the kicker.

However, as someone on here has been claiming that Tomkins has got previous, then I don't consider it churlish to mention that no-one in SL has more previous than Morley.

Let's not worry about the truth though.

[Dave T]

Disappointed, although not surprised with some of the responses.

The three late hits were penalised, and will get no further action. Anyone who can defend the O'Loughlin tackle and then moan about Morley or Carvell last night seriously needs their brain checking! I agreed that the O'Loughlin tackle was no big deal, but then certain people who agreed seem to now struggle now it was against their precious players!

As for Tomkins, like I said earlier, I was disappointed with it, and I didn't think there was any need, but let's see what the panel do, and I will accept that.

PADGE - One quick question - you are great with the rules, what are the rules around theextra penalty after the try? Is it if there is a foul prior to the try, and the fact that Myler had scored and play was technically dead a factor? Thanks in advance!

[Hannibal]

Disappointed, although not surprised with some of the responses.

The three late hits were penalised, and will get no further action. Anyone who can defend the O'Loughlin tackle and then moan about Morley or Carvell last night seriously needs their brain checking! I agreed that the O'Loughlin tackle was no big deal, but then certain people who agreed seem to now struggle now it was against their precious players!

As for Tomkins, like I said earlier, I was disappointed with it, and I didn't think there was any need, but let's see what the panel do, and I will accept that.

PADGE - One quick question - you are great with the rules, what are the rules around theextra penalty after the try? Is it if there is a foul prior to the try, and the fact that Myler had scored and play was technically dead a factor? Thanks in advance!

You can get as precious as you like, but I was there, and Morley was deliberately targeting the kicker time after time.

Are you happy with that? You seem to be happy with any tactic that Wire come up with, yet squeal like a pig when someone tries it against you.

Try watching the game, instead of getting so excited about your 3D specs that you are only watching one side.

[sam]

You can get as precious as you like, but I was there, and Morley was deliberately targeting the kicker time after time.

so was i, you're right he targetted the kicker...who should he have targetted? the waterboy? stadium announcer? the fans? the car park attendants?

[Dave T]

You can get as precious as you like, but I was there, and Morley was deliberately targeting the kicker time after time.

Are you happy with that? You seem to be happy with any tactic that Wire come up with, yet squeal like a pig when someone tries it against you.

Try watching the game, instead of getting so excited about your 3D specs that you are only watching one side.

Ha ha, you are showing yourself up big time! You love to come on here all high and mighty, yet as soon as you lose a game, you act like a little girl. Where have I squealed like a pig? Seriously, quote me, as you are almost as mental as Paris and Lobby - I must admit to wondering whether you are all the same person!

You love to make out everyone else is a prick and against your beloved Cherry and Whites, when in fact, you are clueless, and prove it time after time, despite very rarely giving your opinion in favour of attacking posters.

[HappyDave]

Yeah, Joel Tomkins' late tackle was terrible but if he's pulled up in front of a disaplinary hearing so should Carvell for about 3 or 4 high tackles/off-the-ball charges & also that thug Cockayne for starting the biff unnecessarily.

[Padge]

PADGE - One quick question - you are great with the rules, what are the rules around theextra penalty after the try? Is it if there is a foul prior to the try, and the fact that Myler had scored and play was technically dead a factor? Thanks in advance!

An eight point try can only be awarded if the try scorer is fouled during the act of touching down not in any subsequent period.

However you have fallen for the OP's intention here, he claimed to want a discussion about protecting ALL 'little' players, which some of us have offered to discuss. However it turns out that really he wanted to hid behind a misleading topic title in order to pretend he was being fair when really he wanted to discuss one particular incident in a game of many.

I suggest the OP changes the topic title to avoid confusion. Meanwhile I have to assume he wants an open discussion about all the incidents recently which are covered by his topic title.

So what about Anderson deliberately and dangerously going head first into a tackle to attempt to dislodge the ball, surely leading with the head is as dangerous as leading with the elbow.

[Hannibal]

so was i, you're right he targetted the kicker...who should he have targetted? the waterboy? stadium announcer? the fans? the car park attendants?

Sam, it's against the rules to touch the kicker after the ball has gone.

Has that bit passed you by?

With regards to your comment regarding stadium announcers, etc, if I understood what you were talking about, I would respond.

[Hannibal]

Ha ha, you are showing yourself up big time! You love to come on here all high and mighty, yet as soon as you lose a game, you act like a little girl. Where have I squealed like a pig? Seriously, quote me, as you are almost as mental as Paris and Lobby - I must admit to wondering whether you are all the same person!

You love to make out everyone else is a prick and against your beloved Cherry and Whites, when in fact, you are clueless, and prove it time after time, despite very rarely giving your opinion in favour of attacking posters.

So, after that little girly rant, are you happy that Morley hit the kicker at least 4 times in that game?

If you are, I can only assume that you are just as happy for Wigan to reciprocate.

Try to answer without typing in a squeaky voice.

[hindle xiii]

An eight point try can only be awarded if the try scorer is fouled during the act of touching down not in any subsequent period.

[not flippant] Really?

The only (hazy) recollection of an 8 point try I have is at Knowsley Road. Solomona I think, at Wakefield at the time, shoving a Saints player into the hoardings after said St Helens player had scored...

I read recently (maybe the Cummings Q&A) that penalties can't be awarded when the ball is out of play, time wasting at drop-outs, etc. but I'da thunk foul play like the above example is punishable.

Anyhoo, SLS filled me in on the missing tries (well done Tuson) and seeing the Joel-flop in real time again, it isn't as late as first seemed, still dodgy though, I'd plump for an official warning. As for the other incidents, they'll be dealt with accordingly...

[Exiled Wiganer]

I went back to watch Joel's incident, and felt vindicated to an extent. He is a big lad travelling fast, and sliding. When I first saw the incident I wondered whether Myler had grounded the ball, and indeed I thought they went to the screen for it. If the viewer and the ref is unsure then that puts Joel's slide in a better light.
When you look closely Myler is trying to adjust his hand position so he can give his traditional V sign to the Wigan crowd (you can't bottle class), and he tenses himself for someone to jump on him just after scoring. He expected Mathers and got Joel.

[dkw]

Sam, it's against the rules to touch the kicker after the ball has gone.

I dont think thats entirely correct, you can touch the kicker but only if your already committed to a tackle. You cant hit late or change your direction into a kicker. I think. Though the way the RFL are acting lately it might have changed already.

[Hannibal]

I dont think thats entirely correct, you can touch the kicker but only if your already committed to a tackle. You cant hit late or change your direction into a kicker. I think. Though the way the RFL are acting lately it might have changed already.

Morley must be very committed then, as he can't manage to ever pull out of a challenge on a kicker.

[Exiled Wiganer]

We seem to have 2 convergent threads. V confusing. It would take extraordinary skill to find yourself committed to a challenge on the same kicker over and over again. Then again I am sure Brett Sherwin painfully remembers the subtleties of the being committed to a tackle rule.

[dkw]

We seem to have 2 convergent threads. V confusing. It would take extraordinary skill to find yourself committed to a challenge on the same kicker over and over again. Then again I am sure Brett Sherwin painfully remembers the subtleties of the being committed to a tackle rule.

You do realise most teams have a designated player or 2 who`s job is to put pressure on the kicker? So to see 1 player always in the face of a kicker is hardly surprising.

[sam]

are people still whining about a few taps on wigan's full back?

[Hannibal]

are people still whining about a few taps on wigan's full back?

No, not really, but certain posters are still banging on about a nothing challenge by Tomkins.

[Cliffy Lyons]

Thought the incident was a nasty one and totally unessessary. I dont have a high opinion of this guys disipline.
He is often 3rd man in with the knees and with other niggles in tackles and can be seen on numerous occasions during Fridays game comitting unessary infringements in the tackle. As for Carvell he was committed and pulled out slightly on impact. Nothing more than that for me.......Tomkins, well, did he need to get involved with any contact ? I think not.