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Poll: Hull FC v Hull KR (18 member(s) have cast votes)

Who will win?

  1. Hull FC (10 votes [55.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.56%

  2. Hull KR (8 votes [44.44%])

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#61 Brigg Rover

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 12:33 AM

QUOTE (bendyas @ Sep 11 2010, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Heavens to murgatroyd!

Rugby is getting too soft as it is.

The Manu decision was the right decision. Penalty, no report. Get on with it.

You're not Stevo so stop banging on about refs.


Spot on!
Live we were not even sure it was high. Looked like he hit him on the top of the chest. Anyway reflex as he stepped inside.

#62 bewareshadows

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 06:08 AM

QUOTE (Brigg Rover @ Sep 12 2010, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Spot on!
Live we were not even sure it was high. Looked like he hit him on the top of the chest. Anyway reflex as he stepped inside.



Is rugby really getting soft? didn't Shaun Edwards get sent off against Australia for a high tackle where he got stepped inside at Wembley 10 - 20 years ago. Maybe the idea that high shots went unpunished in the past is just brains turning soft and not remembering all the reds that used to be given out.
Super League the only place in the world where people still believe that less competitors and a closed market to new competition will improve the quality of the product.

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#63 Brigg Rover

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 07:38 AM

QUOTE (bewareshadows @ Sep 12 2010, 07:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is rugby really getting soft? didn't Shaun Edwards get sent off against Australia for a high tackle where he got stepped inside at Wembley 10 - 20 years ago. Maybe the idea that high shots went unpunished in the past is just brains turning soft and not remembering all the reds that used to be given out.


I didn't mean that rugby was getting soft. I meant the penalty was the right call, nothing more. Never a send off at all.

#64 deluded pom?

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 08:16 AM

Hull were completely devoid of any ideas against a professional and committed Rover defence and they had no clue of how to cope with Rovers kicking game. Close Dobson down and the ball goes to Murrell and vice versa. Hull still haven't realised the value of a good YOUNG scrum half after what seems an eternity without one. Sean Long was poor last week and not much better last night. Hull have to see that money used to secure a good young scrum half will be money well spent. Like others I now feel like we missed the boat when Rovers signed Dobson. The Manu/Cockayne incident was what it was. A penalty against a player who was wrong footed. Maybe put on report. Fox should have had ten for his laying on of Briscoe. How people can criticise Richard Horne for being ineffective and not having a good game alongside Sean Long when he played 75 mins at FB baffles me. The best team won by a mile.

Edited by deluded pom?, 12 September 2010 - 08:20 AM.

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#65 Old Frightful

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 08:39 AM

Well, we sat and tried to pick the bones out of it in the Polar Bear beer garden afterwards.

All those of you who keep banging on about Richard Horne being Hull's full back, has last night made any difference to your opinions?

Once again, I find myself perplexed by Agar's decisions. We've struggled to get Horne and Long playing together in the halves all season so what happens when Hall limps off? He splits them up again. Why didn't he put Turner at full back with Manu or anybody else in the centre. At least then we would still have had our first choice halves steering us round the park, even though they may still have struggled given Rovers' performance last night.

Rovers fans can be rightly proud of their team today. Their players all look like they're willing to die for each other. Any one of their players last night had more enthusiasm than our entire team. That's got to be the fault of the coach.

Hull FC had better make some swift decisions or they're going to get hit in the pocket next year. We Hull fans are a loyal (yes and stupid maybe) lot, but the patience is now wearing paper thin. Four people sat round our table after the game have insisted they won't be renewing their passes for next season.

Rule and Hetherington must shoulder the blame for this, always going for the cheap option when it comes to appointing coaches. Agar clearly hasn't the respect of the team so go out and offer a king's ransome to somebody who can get the players performing again.

I wonder how much it'd cost to lure Morgan away from Rovers. That would be some coup. wink.gif

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#66 Ullman

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 08:57 AM

QUOTE (Old Frightful @ Sep 12 2010, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, we sat and tried to pick the bones out of it in the Polar Bear beer garden afterwards.

I went to the Freedom Festival afterwards and tried not to think about it. Some of the entertainment down there was fantastic. Those Frenchies sure know their street theatre, Tanse Express and the Plasticiens Volants were a brilliant spectacle. Took my mind off the horror show our team had served up for us.

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#67 Ullman

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 09:05 AM

QUOTE (HullRover @ Sep 12 2010, 01:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I thought that, but for a 15 minute spell just after half-time, Rovers pretty much bossed the game tonight and were good value for the win.

No doubt about it, Hull were badly disrupted by Craig Hall's early injury and the ensuing re-shuffle, but I thought Rovers were really focused tonight and would have won regardless.

Our kick-chase game was spot-on throughout...our goal-line defence was magnificent when called upon...while we displayed more controlled aggression than I have seen for some time.

Fair comment

Rovers had a spell in the second half where they tried very hard to gift Hull a way back into the game. For the second week running (and goodness knows how many times this season) Hull lacked the composure to take advantage. Hull were like rabbits caught in the headlights last night, and didn't have a clue how to cope with the pressure they were put under.

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#68 Ullman

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 09:23 AM

QUOTE (Old Frightful @ Sep 12 2010, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Once again, I find myself perplexed by Agar's decisions. We've struggled to get Horne and Long playing together in the halves all season so what happens when Hall limps off? He splits them up again. Why didn't he put Turner at full back with Manu or anybody else in the centre. At least then we would still have had our first choice halves steering us round the park, even though they may still have struggled given Rovers' performance last night.

Rovers fans can be rightly proud of their team today. Their players all look like they're willing to die for each other. Any one of their players last night had more enthusiasm than our entire team. That's got to be the fault of the coach.

Hull FC had better make some swift decisions or they're going to get hit in the pocket next year. We Hull fans are a loyal (yes and stupid maybe) lot, but the patience is now wearing paper thin. Four people sat round our table after the game have insisted they won't be renewing their passes for next season.

Rule and Hetherington must shoulder the blame for this, always going for the cheap option when it comes to appointing coaches. Agar clearly hasn't the respect of the team so go out and offer a king's ransome to somebody who can get the players performing again.

I wonder how much it'd cost to lure Morgan away from Rovers. That would be some coup. wink.gif

I think you're pretty much spot on mate. Agar's bemoaned the fact that Long and Horne haven't played together then what does he do? Splits them up almost immediately and completely nullifies our attack (which is poor at the best of times). Bonkers!!

Last night was a prefect demonstration of the difference a good coach can make. Morgan prepared his team superbly. We'll never progress on the field until we get things right off the field.

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#69 Ullman

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 09:27 AM

QUOTE (Brigg Rover @ Sep 12 2010, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Spot on!
Live we were not even sure it was high. Looked like he hit him on the top of the chest. Anyway reflex as he stepped inside.

That's about the size of it. He actually caught him at the top of his shoulder/base of his neck. There was no contact with the head.

Penalty, end of story.

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#70 Ullman

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 10:26 AM

QUOTE (westhuller @ Sep 11 2010, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The only shining light is once again tonight Tom Briscoe just looked like superstar material again this week.

What a player he is. Also managed to maintain his dignity when that obnoxious sh*t Cockayne was trying to goad a response out of him in the last minute of the game.

To his credit, Briscoe just treated the bell-end with the contempt he deserved.

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#71 Old Frightful

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 10:33 AM

QUOTE (Ullman @ Sep 12 2010, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What a player he is. Also managed to maintain his dignity when that obnoxious sh*t Cockayne was trying to goad a response out of him in the last minute of the game.

To his credit, Briscoe just treated the bell-end with the contempt he deserved.

Was that when Briscoe had just dropped the ball and Cockend shoved him in the back?

Edit. Not sure if he dropped the ball, but Cockend give him an unneccesary shove anyway.

Edited by Old Frightful, 12 September 2010 - 10:39 AM.

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#72 Ullman

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 10:40 AM

QUOTE (Old Frightful @ Sep 12 2010, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Was that when Briscoe had just dropped the ball and Cockend shoved him in the back?

It was actually when play was over at the other side of the field and was just in front of us in the East Stand. Cockend subjected Briscoe to a stream of verbals that seemed to go on for ages. Tom just turned his back on him.

That bloke has got serious issues.

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#73 Old Frightful

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 11:11 AM

QUOTE (Ullman @ Sep 12 2010, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was actually when play was over at the other side of the field and was just in front of us in the East Stand. Cockend subjected Briscoe to a stream of verbals that seemed to go on for ages. Tom just turned his back on him.

That bloke has got serious issues.

You would imagine coming within a whisker of being jailed might have calmed him down a bit on all fronts but it appears not.

Let's hope if he behaves like that in public soon, he'll end up where he belongs.

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#74 Ullman

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 02:09 PM

QUOTE (Old Frightful @ Sep 11 2010, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i've also just heard Jordan Tansey's been sacked. Not sure of that though. Rumours eh?

For the disruption he caused in the build-up to the most important game of the season, he can f*** off now for me.

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#75 Lee

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 02:20 PM



Your a mystery to me, great squad of players yet gash everytime ive seen you

Is it just down to the coach or over things?




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#76 bendyas

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 03:08 PM

QUOTE (Lee @ Sep 12 2010, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Your a mystery to me, great squad of players yet gash everytime ive seen you

Is it just down to the coach or over things?


I don't see a great squad. At all.

I'd struggle pick anyone from the Hull team to place anyone in the top fours first 13. Briscoe apart. He looks better and better every time i see him.



#77 Tex Evans Thigh

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 03:35 PM

ooooh come on Dydo theyve got some good players. fitzgibbon is a top middle unit man, willie manu would get a spot in any squad as a wide running back row and a fit berrigan is worth a place as a rotation 9.

Hull do look too flat in attack which is a shame because they have some threat but the tactics look boring. Id prefer to see manu play more on the fringe for a start, same with tickle. They need more pace and threat in the middle its too easy to defend them as long doesnt take it to the line nor does Washbrook.

Hull are workmanlike but need a few personel changes and tactical changes to worry anybody seriously.

HKR simply had to be solid and resilient which they were.
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#78 HullRover

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 03:38 PM

Though Tom Briscoe, Willie Manu, Danny Tickle and Danny Houghton are all very good players, I think Hull FC's poor recruitment policy will really start to hurt next year.

It's going to be a big ask for Fitzgibbon to back up what he has done next year at the age of 34, likewise Cusack if he is still around.

Shaun Long's battered body surely won't see the season out while Berrigan has thieved a rumoured 140k wage for three years and is likely to continue in the same vein.

On top of that, Radford has too many miles on the clock for a 30-year-old, O'Mely remains injury-prone, Tansey has off-field disciplinary issues, Luaki is a complete liability, while Richard Horne is at least three years past and looks virtually 'shot'!

What's more the modest showing of the club's Under 18's this year will tell you that - Reece Lynn apart - Hull FC don't appear to have too many exciting youngsters on their books these days!




#79 bendyas

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 04:20 PM

QUOTE (Tex Evans Thigh @ Sep 12 2010, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ooooh come on Dydo theyve got some good players. fitzgibbon is a top middle unit man, willie manu would get a spot in any squad as a wide running back row and a fit berrigan is worth a place as a rotation 9.

Hull do look too flat in attack which is a shame because they have some threat but the tactics look boring. Id prefer to see manu play more on the fringe for a start, same with tickle. They need more pace and threat in the middle its too easy to defend them as long doesnt take it to the line nor does Washbrook.

Hull are workmanlike but need a few personel changes and tactical changes to worry anybody seriously.

HKR simply had to be solid and resilient which they were.


Good rather than great. Manu could be could if he played a pass wider and whilst Fitzgibbon and Berrigan are good they're quality grafters nowadays rather than pure quality if that makes sense.

Taking it to the line like you said is key and no one does it. At all.

Briscoe does look good though doesn't he.

The winger (name escapes me), whilst raw is also potentially a very decent player.




#80 Old Frightful

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Posted 12 September 2010 - 05:20 PM

QUOTE (bendyas @ Sep 12 2010, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good rather than great. Manu could be could if he played a pass wider and whilst Fitzgibbon and Berrigan are good they're quality grafters nowadays rather than pure quality if that makes sense.

Taking it to the line like you said is key and no one does it. At all.

Briscoe does look good though doesn't he.

The winger (name escapes me), whilst raw is also potentially a very decent player.

Said that about Manu all season. Who's fault is it he doesn't?

Briscoe is our one shining light, not seen a talent like that at our club for a long while.

The lad whose name escapes you is Reece Lyne. I'm not too sure myself, he looks very error prone but as he's only just 17, maybe I'm being too harsh too early. The jury's still out on him, time will tell though.

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