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#3185094 New TV rights deal agreed with BBC

Posted by Saintslass on Yesterday, 08:48 PM

According to Chris Irvine in The Times, the RFL has agreed a new deal with the BBC for coverage of the Challenge Cup and Superleague highlights until 2020, although as yet I can't see any press release on the RFL's website.  It is to include Challenge Cup matches from round six, quarter finals, semi finals and final and apparently the BBC is keen to return the competition to earlier in the season.


Obviously with the story featuring in The Times it is hidden behind a paywall, but the introduction to the article is here: http://www.thetimes....icle4543531.ece


Fantastic news, if true.  The BBC has come on in leaps and bounds in its coverage of the Challenge Cup and personally I'd hate to lose their support.

#3184587 Wembley statue begins to come to life

Posted by Saintslass on Yesterday, 08:39 AM

I love the statue but I can't help noticing that all the players appear to have the same face.  No matter.  It's a wonderful statue and I'm really pleased we have finally managed to get the sport recognised at Wembley given its history at the stadium.  Well done to all concerned and well done to the BBC for showing the unveiling at halftime.

#3184585 29/8/2015 RL Challenge Cup Final Hull Kingston Rovers v Leeds Rhinos, Wembley...

Posted by Saintslass on Yesterday, 08:37 AM

For those bemoaning the state of the game and how the end is nigh now that a team has been thrashed at Wembley, did the 75-0 thrashing Saints gave Wigan live on the BBC in one wonderful Challenge Cup game kill off the sport? 

#3183770 Bye bye Boots "n" All

Posted by Saintslass on 28 August 2015 - 10:37 PM

Whatever happened to SL Backchat, by the way?

Sky cancelled it.  Premier Sports now show Rugby League Backchat for an hour once a fortnight and it's a far superior product.  Well worth watching if you enjoy good discussion about rugby league.

#3182525 Bye bye Boots "n" All

Posted by Saintslass on 25 August 2015 - 06:52 PM

Sorry for daring to ask a question.


How many do you think wait for their news on a Wednesday evening? I suspect the number is very, very small. I suspect people may enjoy the features and discussion, but I think the number who get their latest news on the game to be pretty minimal.

Boots n All is live.  I've come across news on Boots n All that I didn't find online or in the print weeklies.  However, some people do enjoy hearing any news that might be around on Boots n All because the news has happened between the show and the weeklies carrying it and they aren't online.  Such people may be in a minority, or they may not be such a minority, we do not know because nobody does.  Either way, whatever their number, as from next season they will be paying their Sky subscription for one weekly programme less than they have been this season.

#3181969 Bye bye Boots "n" All

Posted by Saintslass on 24 August 2015 - 06:08 PM

to be fair, the online games have been in addition to other games, a bonus if you like.

We still get a live game on a Thurs/Fri/Sat, plus Catalan home games on the tv.

I think you are mistaken. We get TV games on Thursday and Friday every week.  We get Catalans games on TV on the Saturdays they play at home care of a French feed. The extra Saturday TV game won't feature outside the Super 8s. If Sky really wanted to claim they had increased their coverage of rugby league matches then they should be showing more of them on TV, not online, along with video referees, multiple camera angles, pre-game discussion, halftime and fulltime analysis.  However, instead subscribers are being shortchanged and Sky think they can fool people into believing they have increased their coverage by sticking some matches online.  Well seemingly they CAN fool some people!  But not me.  I've watched a game on their Xtra channel and it's like going back in time.  One camera angle, no pre/mid/post match analysis or discussion, no video referee and dodgy connection.  Meanwhile, subscription charges rise.  We have been taken for a ride.  It's a pity that some fans are too naive or otherwise to see that.

#3181905 Bye bye Boots "n" All

Posted by Saintslass on 24 August 2015 - 03:33 PM

But we currently get more live games on Sky than I can remember and further ones on line. If you can't be bothered to use all the features available then that is your look out. It's like saying 'I only see half the games I could because I don't like Sky Sports 3'

Actually it isn't anyone's 'look out'.  The subscription was for TV viewing, not online viewing.  There isn't a separate online subscription.  You have to pay for TV before you can access online programmes.  Therefore, it is absolutely right to expect that TV viewing is value for money.  One extra rugby match a fortnight (the Dragons home games) is hardly value for money when four weekly programmes will have disappeared within two seasons.


So far as online content is concerned, aside from what I said previously, I can't sit and watch rugby matches with my family online; my computer screen isn't big enough.  It's just ridiculous that anyone is defending this policy when clearly they are going for a cheap option while screwing subscribers by raising their subscription charges.

#3181898 Bye bye Boots "n" All

Posted by Saintslass on 24 August 2015 - 03:19 PM

Do people even watch this stuff at the moment? Personally I'm not that bothered, I think discussion and news is so much more accessible online now that I find a weekly discussion show (that is very boring anyway) outdated.


I'd like to see an extension of Super League Gold though, and rather than showing Grand Finals it'd be good if they would show some old classics, particularly the 1997 WCS for example. They have done this before, but I would watch this over BnA.


Whilst it is traditional to bag Sky, and I do find their live broadcasts old fashioned now compared to the BBC (something I never thought I'd say) - but they are showing more and more live Rugby League, and isn't that what sports fans really want? At the moment we are seeing 4-6 live games per week across their TV channel and online.

There are a host of rugby league fans who don't go online, most of them of the older generation who have been the loyal fans keeping the sport going for so long.  Those fans are also often the fans paying for Sky and frankly they deserve better.  The in addition to those fans there are fans like me who spend too much time staring at a computer screen as it is (when at work and through boredom when unemployed) and watching on TV brings a pleasant change. 


But aside from those two groups of fans, neither of whom are being well served by Sky, there is a principle involved here.  Sky subscribers have had their subscriptions increased this year and yet for those whom rugby league is the primary reason to subscribe they are witnessing a reduction in the breadth of coverage from Sky and by some margin.  Having matches on Xtra isn't the point.  Subscription is primarily to TV viewing, not online programming.  Sky are being cheap while raising subscription levels to fund stupid soccer coverage.


I want to see quality TV coverage from Sky to justify what I pay in subscription costs.  I think every Sky subscriber is right to feel entitled to that.

#3181860 Salford money issues again (merged threads)

Posted by Saintslass on 24 August 2015 - 02:09 PM



Either Koukash is not really that rich or he doesn't like spending it

Only someone who isn't rich could make such a comment!


Why should Dr K spend £1.5 million up front on a debt he didn't incur and the club didn't incur during his ownership?  He's obviously been making the payments otherwise he couldn't request a payment holiday (which I presume is to cover the off season when there will be no revenue at all).  £1.5 million is a massive debt and one has to question why the Council provided the loan in the first place, particularly given all the outcries of 'cuts' that have come from so many northern councils over the last few years. 


The latest loan isn't to Dr K or the Red Devils; it's to the stadium company which is part owned by the Council and part owned by Peel Holdings.

#3181850 Bye bye Boots "n" All

Posted by Saintslass on 24 August 2015 - 01:54 PM

It's all over twitter.

Ringside,Revista la liga and Rugby Club also dropped.

Sky are cutting back in order to fund the massive payment they have made for the premier league soccer. 

#3180917 Super 8s - a joke

Posted by Saintslass on 22 August 2015 - 06:56 PM

Wakefield have done better than i expected..........Leigh have done worse....maybe their expansive style is coming up short against better opposition.

Wakefield is not the same team as the one Leigh knocked out of the Challenge Cup.  Not even coached by the same coach.  The fact that Wakefield have been free to strengthen their team and their coaching staff just for the middle eights when they have spent all season at the bottom of the league is what has undermined this new format already for me. 

#3179155 Steve Ganson climbing Kilimanjaro for Steve Prescott Foundation

Posted by Saintslass on 19 August 2015 - 04:25 PM

As part of Steve Prescott Foundation's Kilimanjaro challenge this October, Steve Ganson is acting as ref for a full rugby league match which is due to take place once the group reach the summit in an attempt to break a world record.  If memory serves Steve joined the group late in the day in order to facilitate the world record attempt as a ref has to be present for the attempt to be valid.


Anyway, Ganson needs some sponsorship.  It's an amazing challenge for a great cause.  Here's his JustGiving page in case you feel moved to donate: https://www.justgivi...om/steveganson/



#3179144 Development centre for Rugby League in Manchester.

Posted by Saintslass on 19 August 2015 - 03:46 PM

In the last three years Manchester City Council have been backing and promoting Rugby League in the city. It's now starting to show results with more people, schools, ect taking up the game.

This is the best way to grow Rugby League. You've got to get your local council involved.

Getting the local authority involved definitely does help.

#3179137 First Professional RL Player Comes Out

Posted by Saintslass on 19 August 2015 - 03:38 PM

Hang on a minute. You have used the word 'celebrate' in inverted commas a number of times in your last several posts, a word I brought into the conversation and you have referenced with your own viewpoint added. How come you can do this and not others cannot?

Because I'm a genius.

#3178792 First Professional RL Player Comes Out

Posted by Saintslass on 18 August 2015 - 08:35 PM

I sympathise with the viewpoints you have expressed.  

Ideally, there would be no more need for someone to announce they are gay than there would be if there were left handed.  

However, the situation is not ideal.  If left handed people had faced huge intolerance and shame and been forced to hide their left-handedness from those close to them, it would require some people to announce that they were left handed and that is fine.  That some of those people may be less sympathetic than others adds to the normalisation that is necessary.

I agree the view I expressed is an ideal.  But I don't see anything wrong in aspiring to an ideal.  I also think that the ideal is close enough now that 'celebrating' difference may either make little impact or perhaps even have the opposite effect to the one intended.


As a member of a mixed heritage family I fully appreciate what you are saying.  When my parents started their family there wasn't another non-white face in the burbs where I was brought up.  There wasn't another non-white face in the 2000 strong high school me and my siblings attended.  My parents were courageous in that they decided to raise their family in an almost totally white town at a time when racism was far more overt than it is today and comments were made openly in the roads where we walked.  People fought hard on behalf of families like mine (including my parents) in striving for the ideal whereby mixed heritage families were accepted as just another family, not to be 'celebrated' as 'different' but just a family.  Racism is still around today; it always will be (alas).  But nowadays families like mine are fairly commonplace.  There is no need to 'celebrate' them as they are as much the norm as any other family unit.


I think over the last decade or so being gay is reaching the same point. I have read both the stories about gay rugby league players that are presently on the Guardian website.  I think the English Australian guy was a very brave individual. Not only did he come out in the 1990s when it was harder to be gay than it is today, especially in the macho environment of male team sport (although much easier than, say, when my parents were young and it was illegal to be gay, for example) but he did so in the face of family hostility.  By contrast I think Hirst has had it relatively easy.  He's had widespread support and acceptance.  So to me that ideal I shared, which you rightly called an ideal, is much closer now for gay people. 


I'm sure lots of people will disagree with me, they usually do, but that's my view anyway.