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#3151553 And Saints Latest Full Back is...

Posted by Saintslass on 02 July 2015 - 09:28 PM

Strange analysis

May as well put Johnny Vegas there then

Fine by me! 


It wasn't really a strange analysis.  It wasn't really an analysis at all. It was a gut reaction to watching six players who were capable, and mostly very good, at playing in the fullback spot be picked off by season ending injuries.  It's got to the stage when Jonny Wellies would be welcomed, never mind Johny Vegas!

#3151549 2 Jul: Warrington Wolves v Wigan Warriors KO 8pm (TV)

Posted by Saintslass on 02 July 2015 - 09:21 PM

Oh, and it's always enjoyable to watch a match in which Wigan are beaten. B)

#3150860 And Saints Latest Full Back is...

Posted by Saintslass on 02 July 2015 - 06:41 AM

Though not really. On that basis Wiggins is a Belgian and Bobby Fulton is from Warrington.
It's interesting that Saints repeatedly look overseas for the answers to their problems when, say Percival (who I know was not a Saints junior) looked pretty good at 1 for me: it's a shame they don't give young players a chance in key positions - aside from Roby their spine is all bought in.

You're hilarious.  How many young local backs who can play fullback are we supposed to provide as cover before we are equal to the mighty Wigan then?  Lomax (local) is our fullback and our English covers of Wello (retired) and Makinson (broken leg) are both unable to do the job.  Scuse us for turning to the NRL because we want our excellent local centre (Percival) to continue playing at centre instead of a (local) converted second rower!

#3150730 And Saints Latest Full Back is...

Posted by Saintslass on 01 July 2015 - 08:45 PM

Thought he got injured at the weekend

Yeah.  Broke his finger while signing for Saints.

#3149313 28 Jun: CCQF - St Helens v Widnes Vikings KO 4pm (TV)

Posted by Saintslass on 28 June 2015 - 10:11 PM

You're only saying that because he#s from Hull. I wonder if he's a rerver or a cod'ed.  He seems to do a good job of concealing his preference.

Wilkin was exceptional today.  He did the work of a forward and a halfback, particularly when our forwards were going sideways and our halfbacks were having a snooze.

#3149311 28 Jun: CCQF - St Helens v Widnes Vikings KO 4pm (TV)

Posted by Saintslass on 28 June 2015 - 10:09 PM

maybe, but your more likely to say what you really think when given little time to think. That's what makes the comment even more poor that he obviously believes it.   I thought the ref made a couple of poor and crucial game changer decisions for Saints plus Saints were obviously trying to hold down especially in first half when Widnes was winning the PTB/ruck.   Thus the fact he was lenient at Widnes would suggest even balance.

He made a couple of crucial errors against Saints too.  Percival knocks himself into next week and it's play on, which is in direct contravention of the head injury protocol. Widnes score. Poor form by the ref.  I could cite other examples where he erred in favour of Widnes too but I think this kind of conversation is pointless because Saints still won by some distance and Widnes made too many unforced errors late in the second half.  Maybe if they'd stopped trying to do us over in every ruck they wouldn't have been so tired at the back end.


As for Cunningham's comments I thought he made himself look stupid by what he said about the ref and I'd hoped he had learned his lesson in that regard but seemingly not.

#3146762 Paul Wellens Retires

Posted by Saintslass on 24 June 2015 - 09:24 PM

Not the greatest tackler, but one of the bravest. He took some big splattings in last-ditch attempts to prevent tries over the years.

Not sure where you got the impression he wasn't the greatest tackler from?  His last ditch tackles and other assorted trysavers were phenomenal.  If you're talking about the last couple of years when he's played in other positions then I agree with you but he was a fullback, not a centre/loose forward/hooker/halfback/any position bar prop!

#3145551 Time to bring back Great Britain....yaaaaawwwwn!

Posted by Saintslass on 22 June 2015 - 09:25 PM

Yes, I think my response was necessary, quite frankly.


You want to shut down a debate just because someone may disagree with your world view. Tough!


The argument that no one is interested in this issue isn't borne out by the numbers of people currently reading this thread.

So you're just having a go at me then?  After all, I wasn't the only one on this thread whose response was not ticking the enthusiastic box!


And I have no desire to 'shut down' any debate.  I expressed my own opinion, which I thought I was allowed to do.  Others can - and have - challenged it already John. 


And I didn't say that nobody was interested in the subject.  Clearly some people are, like Michael Shenton!  Unless he was used as a front for someone else's opinion.  Please don't put words into my mouth (or through my fingers, whichever) just to suit your agenda.  I am entitled to be exasperated by the frequent revisits to this tiresome subject just as others are entitled to be frustrated that we still play as England.

#3145523 Time to bring back Great Britain....yaaaaawwwwn!

Posted by Saintslass on 22 June 2015 - 08:56 PM

Just because you can't think of anything new to say doesn't mean no one else can. Honestly!


The thoughts of a current England international on the international game, eh? Who'd want to give that a hearing? Not the self-appointed gurus of TRL, it seems.

Was that kind of response really necessary?


The reason I can't think of anything new to say is because I am widely read and so have come across every shade of opinion on this matter over the years I've been a rugby league fan. 


I'm interested in reading the thoughts of lots of people: international players, non-international players and non-players included.  I just don't think Shenton's input will include anything new given the number of players and non-players who have provided their opinions on this subject over the years (namely, ever since GB was replaced with England!).

#3145518 Time to bring back Great Britain....yaaaaawwwwn!

Posted by Saintslass on 22 June 2015 - 08:45 PM

My thoughts exactly when I see people on the forum wanting to close down debate without being prepared to even read what someone else has to say on a subject.

If the impression that Shenton is pro-Great Britain was not the one the editor of RLW wanted to give then another headline should have been used.  I can't think of anything new that can be said on this subject which hasn't been said countless times before.

#3145500 Time to bring back Great Britain....yaaaaawwwwn!

Posted by Saintslass on 22 June 2015 - 08:09 PM

I do wish people would let this go. It's becoming tedious.  Did people not notice that Scotland nearly voted for independence and that Wales has devolved government? The trend is now home nations, not one nation.  Develop Wales, give it support, and stick to England.  Ireland are trying to develop their own players and have secured funding from NI sports authorities to do so.  Scotland may be a dead duck but that doesn't mean we try to turn the clock back to a time that has now gone forever.

#3145244 Crowdwatch round 19

Posted by Saintslass on 22 June 2015 - 01:42 PM

I'm bored of all these sob stories. Rugby league is a great sport. We live in a 1 sport country - the 2 spot is there for the taking. We seem not to want to take it. Why?


NRL wasn't given "millions and millions of pounds" by some sporting Fairy Godmother. It went out and got them by virtue of creating a modern league that continues to grow in popularity.


There are not 2 strong RL sides in Hull. There are 2 average ones. The total number of league titles/GFs & Challenge Cups won by the 2 sides combined in the last 30 years is 1. If that's your definition of strong then I don't want to know your definition of weak.

I don't know which post you were replying to but it wasn't mine because I didn't write a sob story, I didn't claim the NRL was 'given' anything and I didn't simply say there were two strong sides in Hull.


What I did say was that we have a greater mountain to climb than the NRL because of the domination - real or perceived - of some other sports.  We do not have a Sydney equivalent in this country although Hull could be if it was Sydney sized but it isn't.  The NRL is mainly about Sydney based rugby league.  When there is a city the size of Sydney bleeding your sport then the chances are that sport will attract the national media and therefore the big money sponsors.  Sydney is more of a captial city in Australia than Canberra.  Hull would be our equivalent but of course it is nothing like it! 


It would be helpful if we had a visionary at the RFL but we don't; we have a bunch of administrators which isn't going to do much for expanding the game on any level as they won't be able to exploit opportunities.  Indeed we have seen that, post world cup.  The RFL has fabulously failed to build on anything created by the world cup.  All the RFL could do last year instead was just what administrators like to do: navel gaze over their structures, systems and rules.  They decided that 2014 was the time to talk about the structure of the game and so all the potential from the world cup was lost.  But nobody, nobody, stands up to them.  We have a weak press in rugby league and the clubs are keen only on the status quo on the whole so far as I can see.  But we could help ourselves, as fans, by not being cynical and parochial because they are two characteristics dead certain to put outsiders off.

#3144284 Crowdwatch round 19

Posted by Saintslass on 20 June 2015 - 09:00 PM

I don't think it's realistic to compare the rugby league situation here with the one in Australia, which is heavily influenced by a very pro-rugby league Sydney base.  I suppose if Hull was the size of Sydney then it's possible we could carry a number of strong clubs in Hull rather than just two and we might have a connecting point to Australia but it isn't and so we can't and our situation is entirely different.  We don't have millions and millions of pounds to play with like the NRL does; we don't have the national media fighting over rights to show our sport like the NRL does.  Maybe we are in this situation because our governing body is incompetent - and to some degree I think that is partly the case.  But also we have to do battle with entrenched sports that are far more dominant if not in reality (club rugby union; county cricket for example) then in perception via the lopsided amount of media attention given to them.  Furthermore we have to do battle with our own fanbase, which stubbornly remains parochial in outlook and pretty cynical too, neither of which are good vibes for attracting new people to the sport.

#3144282 21 Jun: Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC KO 3pm

Posted by Saintslass on 20 June 2015 - 08:50 PM

C'mon Ull!

#3142511 Josh Jones signs for Exeter

Posted by Saintslass on 17 June 2015 - 08:06 PM

You got a cheek. On the Sussex Merlins thread you are gushing with praise about them yet they are playing at a Union clubs ground, playing a game (RL 9s) that is blatantly coped from Unions Rugby7s, yet in your eyes Josh Jones is now a sporting leper? Why aren't you calling for the Merlins to be outcasts for getting into bed with RU? You bang on about how evil RU is yet you are quite happy to borrow their clubhouses, pitches and even copy their ideas. If i despised someone I wouldn't ask to borrow their car. Not if i had principles anyway.

Woah!  No need for that. The Merlins are doing a great job in a tough environment for rugby league.


You think the RU club is just giving their facilities to the RL club?  RU clubs the country over are benefiting from having RL clubs play at their ground.  They receive rent and the facilities aren't left to rot over the summer period.  They also keep the RU players fit in union's off season.


Working out a mutually useful arrangement is lightyears away from not wanting to lose talent to the other code.  Josh Jones has been at Saints since he was 13 years old.  He won a grand final with us last season.  He has been developing well and we have come to appreciate what he brings to the team and look for him on the team sheet.  Cunningham has said in the press that if salary cap allows and he wants to come back then the door will be open to him.  I'm not sure I feel similarly myself.  I tend to side with FIS on this.  Josh Jones goes and that leaves a chance for a young player who WANTS to play our game to have his breakthrough.  I don't think Saints or anyone else should be leaving doors open, especially to those who choose to play for union.  We shouldn't be so desperate.  We have plenty of upcoming talent to replace those who go.