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C H Calthrop

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#3111461 union threaten uaerl with legal action.

Posted by C H Calthrop on 24 April 2015 - 10:24 PM

What sort of 'evidence' are you wanting? Isn't the fact that situations like this one in the UAE could be avoided evidence enough? And no, "league" isn't the problem, "rugby" is. The official name of the sport is Rugby League Football, we should consider using the shortened version "League Football" rather than "Rugby League".

before you rebrand a sport with clubs competing in it that date back to 1865 just in order to satisfy virginal UAE union administrators and the terminally short of attention you'd better be sure that a change will pay off many times over. You are after all throwing RL heritage right out of the window undoubtably to the benefit of our competitors. And considering it never held Australia back, a country most notable for castrating the machinations of RU in the 1920's rather than pandering to them I would say keep "Rugby" , be better at informing the audience and decry the detractors.




#3111259 union threaten uaerl with legal action.

Posted by C H Calthrop on 24 April 2015 - 06:23 PM

The name should be changed because it's not only causing these problems abroad, it's actively putting off potential fans in places like the UK and the USA too. 'Rugby league' is a terrible name for our sport.

 

The name should be changed because it's not only causing these problems abroad, it's actively putting off potential fans in places like the UK and the USA too. 'Rugby league' is a terrible name for our sport.

No the name isn't causing these problems, organisations that don't want RL are causing these problems.




#3110193 A government drive to boost participation in rugby in English schools

Posted by C H Calthrop on 22 April 2015 - 04:28 PM

:rtfm:




#3110147 My bbc paranoia

Posted by C H Calthrop on 22 April 2015 - 03:19 PM

SL is not an English competition, it was intended as a competition for Europe. Of the English clubs prior to the restructure only one English club in the competition was north of Leeds and south of Widnes; a club struggling for a fan base in four figures and an more importantly an identity. Whereby the club saw it's target market as expat Australians and those born and rasied in the RL heartlands working in greater London or the South East.  At this level it is clearly regional because it has had several clubs outside that narrow geographical band alnog the M62. Oldham, Gateshead, Sheffield, Workington could not survive in the competition along with two welsh clubs. Sport England figures would also indicate that it at semi-pro and amateur level it is predominantly a regional sport. If RL was not a regional sport London Broncos would at least have above average SL crowds and would not have the need to have given away thousands of free tickets over a period of many weeks with little or no response.

 

Try playing or watching RL regularly outside the traditional region areas, most towns do not have a RL club let alone the villages. 

 

As for the Skiing argument, skiing is a popualr sport with people in the UK in spite of not having facifilites widespread across the country. By the same token The is only one track in the UK that has F1 racing yet few would argue that it does not have significant

Try ski-ing or watching ski-ing regularly outside the tiny areas in which you can do it, most towns do not have a ski-ing club let alone the villages. 

RL is a popular sport with people in the UK inspite of not having top rank teams widespread across the country. 




#3110127 My bbc paranoia

Posted by C H Calthrop on 22 April 2015 - 02:35 PM

Poor choice
People all over the country go skiing, you may as well claim F1 is regional because it only takes place in Northamptonshire

Oh no, rather a good choice in fact. A sport of tiny profile in the UK. limited to very specific locations and with I dare say utterly anonymous British competitions and yet regional or some other such useful term would never be used against ski-ing and yet it ticks far more boxes than RL ever could. The BBC certainly cover it across the nation. Perhaps you could offer a suggestion as to what is a regional sport and justification for RL's label in comparison. 




#3108295 National Rugby Football League - professional rugby union league

Posted by C H Calthrop on 19 April 2015 - 08:17 AM

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to go with the unionites on this one. There are realities of life that we all have to accept whether we like them or not. When the split happened over a 100 years ago the northern union created a potentially very powerful enemy, the realisation of that potential began when RU turned pro 20 years ago. We can discuss the many problems of rugby union 'till the cows come home but you have to say the way they've run the game has been exemplary, particularly given that the product on the pitch is often so bad.

It does surprise me to hear fans of such a 'forward thinking' sport as RL complaining so much about the naming of RU competitions when surely they should be more concerned about filling stadiums for big games within their own sport. RU is run by 'do-ers' not whiners, not only do they hit their targets but in terms of attendances and revenue they outdo themselves year on year. RL should be looking at emulating these practices not crying everytime a competitor achieves success.

RU can achieve its ends to detract from the RL CC by using a minor competition, no need of any major investment. They could have called it one of a hundred new names. But as attested to by DC's Google search Rugby and Challenge Cup seem to be highlighted as Union now especially to the casual observer. 

 

I don't think that RL has to accept anything from the RU. In fact we have accepted far too much for decades. And building success on the back of one very slimy set of practices is certainly something I wouldn't class as exemplary rather more the antithesis of sport.

 

RL also has no need to concentrate on a single issues, RU doesn't get a pass.

Lets not forget that only in 2009 the RFU lobbied for the BBC to have its list of protected sporting events reduced so that it had more freedom to invest into other sports that were not listed. Guess which event was recommended by BBC to drop so more tax payer focus presumably could go into RU..... that's right the Challenge Cup. 

 

The do'ers of RU have created one of the most unpalatable sporting organisations in the world. Personally I wouldn't wish to be in support of anything that emulated them.




#3107940 My bbc paranoia

Posted by C H Calthrop on 18 April 2015 - 11:19 AM

I have no idea what happened in the BMX, but there was a world record broken by a Brit in the swimming and the first ever medal in the European all-round apparatus final by a female British gymnast. So, those two items were newsworthy.

It is the exclusion of 1st v 2nd in the biggest rugby game on Friday in the most viewed club rugby competition in the British Isles that is interesting. It doesn't matter what else they include, I don't think BMX and swimming have knocked RL out of the running order we were never going to be in it.




#3107665 17 Apr: St Helens v Leeds Rhinos KO 8pm (TV)

Posted by C H Calthrop on 17 April 2015 - 08:16 PM

Lets hope he gets fully fit asap! What a wonderful player. The best scrum half in the league bar none.

:superman:




#3107553 National Rugby Football League - professional rugby union league

Posted by C H Calthrop on 17 April 2015 - 06:50 PM

It is odd that some people think a rival would not do everything they can to flourish and compete, the whole ideal of upholding the Corinthian Spirit of sport is sweet but in the modern world of competitive sport is somewhat outdated.

 

For decades RL fans were demanding that RU go openly professional, now that we have and are competing as a professional organisation they complain because we are rather good at it.

 

I think there is a common misconception on here that RU is trying to attack RL; quite the opposite, it is working to promote itself.

" it is working to promote itself." with an approach that includes attacking RL..




#3107550 National Rugby Football League - professional rugby union league

Posted by C H Calthrop on 17 April 2015 - 06:48 PM

That's the way I see it too. RU is looking after its own interests...WOW how dare they!

I've yet to see a Union attack myself (im referring to modern day obviously).

MB what discrimination? I've read about a kid at a RU school who wanted to play League...that's up to him to move schools.

Schools sell education, why is RL not part of that education in schools which can easily offer RU. Because it takes little extra to provide RL.

It is nothing more than the legacy of the Victorian idea of corrupting youth with so called "professionalism" and not wanting to allow another code to get established.  

You will also understand that the slimy influence of a corrupt sports body should have no involvement in looking after its own interests within educational establishments by encouraging the exclusion of other games. That is a position they awarded themselves and the result should never be a child moving schools out of their influence. 




#3107280 National Rugby Football League - professional rugby union league

Posted by C H Calthrop on 17 April 2015 - 09:15 AM

If those in power in RL are so concerned about this why are they not making more of an effort to protect their intellectual property? There are simple and straightforward ways of registering and protecting brands, trademarks, etc. 

 

Doing nothing then whining about it afterwards really is not a very professional approach.

Are the RFL whining about it afterwards? It may be that they can't copyright the term "Challenge Cup"  as it exist in many sports and the official RU title is the European Rugby Challenge Cup. All this is however by the by. there is no way, no way any RU competition devised in the Northern hemisphere that calls itself Challenge Cup has not been so titled but to distract from the RL original with deliberate intention of using the wide, blinkered exposure of RU so that "Challenge Cup" becomes synonymous with Union. 




#3106886 National Rugby Football League - professional rugby union league

Posted by C H Calthrop on 16 April 2015 - 02:51 PM

Go for it and see how quickly the lawyers spring into action  :tongue:

Certainly quicker than the lawyers that form the scrum spring into action. 




#3106114 Jason Robinson - Sporting Heroes

Posted by C H Calthrop on 14 April 2015 - 06:02 PM

I have spotted the flaw in your argument 

There will be one, they have offices, computers, hole punches. They must be used for something.




#3104069 My bbc paranoia

Posted by C H Calthrop on 10 April 2015 - 07:40 PM

Big diff between making a free choice and an orchestrated campaign of bloc voting MB...ala Eurovison. The song quality is irrelevant...could be the worst song ever, but their nearest and dearest neighbours will still vote for it. It's a family vote and Illigetimate. Previous winners were chosen freely...that ended with the bloc vote and the BBC reacted accordingly.

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hahaha...knew there had to be someone who looked at the Eurovision shenanigans differently. Be a bit boring if everyone laughed along with Terry...and now Graham. Euro pop your thing then. My geography is pretty good so I have a decent track record of correctly predicting where most douze points will go.

What! Free choice and orchestrated campaign. How is anything here other than free choice. The chairman of St Helens said  lets get behind the team, here is how you can vote as advertised on R5. This is neither orchestrated campaign nor bloc voting it is merely publicising the already public vote and asking people to take notice. In Eurovision you can't vote for yourself only pander to associates and neighbours. This was a vote by RL for RL when RL was clearly the superior choice for those who knew RL. RL wins BBC changes the rules, another actual fact.




#3103407 My bbc paranoia

Posted by C H Calthrop on 09 April 2015 - 04:09 PM

SPOTY, the BBC. From 1954 to 2014. How many RL players, not winners just on the podium 1st, 2nd or 3rd. 

ZERO. Not one. 

I mean lots of sports are ignored. Some barely register with only a 2nd or a 3rd but considering the CC has been a listed and BBC shown sport for ever. All those years Wigan were the most dominant Rugby team on the planet. The sport responsible for the largest Rugby crowd ever in the British Isles still with zero. It just isn't reasonable to think the BBC is rowing in the direction the RFL needs.