Saintslass

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  1. Would it have failed though had people not stopped buying newspapers in enough numbers? (Probably a rhetorical question!) Local newspapers in particular have been going under for quite a few years now. We still have one here in St Helens, for example, but one disappeared a couple of years ago.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Have you read Article 14.4? I think the attitude over Gibraltar and Cyprus shows just how cynical the EU has been in its politicisation of NI/Ireland, and how much of a dangerous game they have been playing.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    I think that question sums up the ignorance of remainers towards leavers. You remainers have no understanding of why people voted leave have you? It isn't about the economy, stupid (as the saying doesn't go). It's about sovereignty. Sovereignty applies to our waters as well as our land. Look at how the French fishermen reacted when our fishermen trawled some crustacean or another recently. They were legally entitled to do so but our guys got bashed about by the French fishermen. Yet those same French fishermen want to come into our waters and fish without our guys bashing their boats about. Sovereignty, you see. Not the economy.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    It's a referendum. Unless the 8% referred to MPs having a vote? It's a Brexiteer position regardless of who votes for it because it isn't 'remain in the EU', which is the remainer position.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Take a look at Article 14.4. That's just one example.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Yeah right. I'm not going to fight the referendum all over again. You want to stay in the EU; I want to leave.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    I understand the remain position yes, which is to try and strike the fear of God into everyone. They tried that before the vote. It didn't work with me then and it doesn't work with me now.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Because it isn't a 'remain in the EU' response. May is positioning her plan as Brexit. Some people cannot be bothered to read a 580 page document like those of us who are Brexit nerds and so will take what she says on face value/listen to whatever the media is saying. That position is not a 'remain in the EU' position and so naturally goes with the other stated positions that are not 'remain in the EU'. But of course you know that and you are just trolling me.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Fair enough. I looked at the bit above and not below. But even taking into consideration the bit below, there is STILL the 8% wanting a second referendum and the remaining in the EU STILL isn't the 'runaway' leader, as claimed elsewhere. 'Something else' and 'don't know' can't be added to any of the others simply because their preference isn't known. There are three Brexiteer positions there, one remainer position, two unknown positions and one 8% position in favour of a second referendum on the deal (so probably actually another 'don't know').
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    It is because it keeps us in a customs union, it breaks up the UK, it keeps us submissive to the ECJ and it does not give back UK fishing waters to the UK. That is a betrayal even of May's own Lancaster House speech never mind the Brexiteer's vote for sovereignty over laws, borders and money (because we will of course pay £39 million for the privilege of that garbage).
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Erm ... YouGov ✔ @YouGov 6/ Britain is completely divided on where to go from here: Accept the deal - 16% Seek new deal - 11% Ref on terms of deal - 8% No deal Brexit - 19% Remain in EU - 28% I simply quoted from the post. Either way, gingerjon's assertion was incorrect (surprise! surprise!): the second referendum idea polled just 8%. Hardly a ringing endorsement.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    What four other responses? In the tweet quoted, there were five responses in total. One was to remain in the EU, one was to hold another referendum (the 8% I originally cited but which that Font of All Knowledge gingerjon claimed was a lie) and the other three were all Brexiteer positions but differing on how to respond to May's abomination of a withdrawal agreement.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Well said. I've become more convinced too of the importance of leaving. The behaviour of the EU honchos, particularly the way in which they have politicised the NI/Ireland situation risking reigniting the troubles (after hypocritically claiming the EU was fundamental in the peace process there) has been one big reason for my growing intransigence. There are plenty of other reasons too of course but this has been a biggie.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Because none of them want to stay in the EU whereas apparently the 'want to stay in the EU' was streets ahead at 28%. It wasn't. None of the three samples I quoted want to stay in the EU. They all want to leave but reflect uncertainty as to what to do with May's deal.
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    The all-new-ish Brexit Thread

    Add together the following three responses and unless maths has changed since I last studied it, it isn't: Accept the deal - 16% Seek new deal - 11% No deal Brexit - 19%