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  1. Out dated views from both management and clubs have led to the demise of the Hull and District league, unfortunately they have brought both the hammer and nails after supplying the coffin
  2. You mention the community board there are no updated minutes from meetings since July 2015 http://www.therfl.co.uk/community_board/armed_forces as far as I was aware these were supposed to be on the website within 3 weeks, how does anyone know what is actually going on with the game? I also replied to another thread where somebody said all Pro/Semi Pro teams should have 16-18-21's as part of their remit, this was my reply and also highlights the standard of RL in Yorkshire You mention all these teams (Reserves) and I agree that is what should be in place but in the real world where are you going to get these players from? Last season 5 under 18s Amateur teams played in Yorkshire for about 3 months, non in Cumbria take out the Hull teams (2 of) and there is one Yorkshire Club in the next tier of RL, NCL Premier, the whole amateur game is a mess. There is an "Embedded the Pathway System" but realistically there are not enough quality players for the system and the scholarship system has decimated the amateur game, both Hull Clubs Chairman agreed to merge the academy's, yes to save money but both also said there are not enough quality players in Hull for 2 academy systems, historic clubs with ties to the Professional game are struggling which means the rest of the amateur clubs will be in more of a mess, you may ask why this matters but this is where the players come from. A sad comment from Nick Pinkney giving summery on the Hull v Rovers game yesterday "I don't know what Hull are trying to achieve with the game, unless Hull have a massive injury crisis I cannot see the majority of these players picked for the game today ever playing for Hull FC" basically saying the reserve players are not up to Super league standard, I keep hearing the term young lads, some of these lads are now 22 if they are not ready now the majority never will be. It will again be interesting to see if we have narrowed the gap in the upcoming games verses the Australian clubs, this is important as the RFL in their "Plan" have said we will endeavor to win the 2017 World Cup and will win every tournament up to 2021 (2016 4 Nations??) This will be against usually un-prepared teams some Super league teams have been back training for 1 month, have played friendlies and will compose of an average of 6 overseas players again meaning less British players in the team
  3. So no future for RL then??
  4. You mention all these teams (Reserves) and I agree that is what should be in place but in the real world where are you going to get these players from? Last season 5 under 18s Amateur teams played in Yorkshire for about 3 months, non in Cumbria take out the Hull teams (2 of) and there is one Yorkshire Club in the next tier of RL, NCL Premier, the whole amateur game is a mess. There is an "Embedded the Pathway System" but realistically there are not enough quality players for the system and the scholarship system has decimated the amateur game, both Chairman agreed to merge the academy's, yes to save money but both also said there are not enough quality players in Hull for 2 academy systems, historic clubs with ties to the Professional game are struggling which means the rest of the amateur clubs will be in more of a mess, you may ask why this matters but this is where the players come from. A sad comment from Nick Pinkney giving summery on the Hull v Rovers game yesterday "I don't know what Hull are trying to achieve with the game, unless Hull have a massive injury crisis I cannot see the majority of these players picked for the game today ever playing for Hull FC" basically saying the reserve players are not up to Super league standard, I keep hearing the term young lads, some of these lads are now 22 if they are not ready now the majority never will be. It will again be interesting to see if we have narrowed the gap in the upcoming games verses the Australian clubs, this is important as the RFL in their "Plan" have said we will endeavor to win the 2017 World Cup and will win every tournament up to 2021 (2016 4 Nations??) This will be against usually un-prepared teams some Super league teams have been back training for 1 month, have played friendlies and will compose of an average of 6 overseas players again meaning less British players in the team
  5. That won't happen it could work
  6. If you did a local league as you posted with the names you mentioned and ones that were playing already Dockers, Beverley, Hull Wyke, West Hull, East Hull, Skirlaugh, Myton Warriors, North Hull (Not a bad league) Not sure about Norland and obviously teams playing in the league already, 3 Tuns YC semi finalist (and where I will be this week) I am 99% certain the majority of these will will not play for the Hull and District League under the current management and rule structure.
  7. None of the teams applying for the YML have a problem with the winter game, it is more the outdated views of the committee and some of the clubs. Beverley, Hull Wyke, West Hull and now Myton have all had issues in recent years with management and think the YML is a better run league. Myton were running 2 teams in the winter league but I have heard several senior players are not willing to travel and will run 1 alongside their NCL team and again politics is getting in the way of a good game of rugby. Norland swept all before them in the Hull League and moved to YML for a better competition, not sure if they have a team this year and it appears may have only lasted 1 season, most of their players seem to be playing in the Hull League, are North Hull looking to switch as a number of their players are playing at Beverley I don't think switching the Hull league to summer will save the league it is the outdated views of several people at the meetings, the problem is apart from the Premier league all the other leagues including division 1 have call offs and non-travel, the merit league was supposed to have all these new clubs wanting to dip their toes into RL in 2015 over 20 names, 2016 the fixtures were virtually non-existent, that is a reduction! Sorry to say the switch to summer has been a failure in the concept of what it was intended to do Very few new clubs, don't forget we were told the game will expand Increase participation, sorry clubs are still failing and travelling short most of the summer/winter players are the same players moving around, where are these new players? 16-18 game virtually non-existent below this a reduction in real terms No clubs are enjoying the attendances they used to get If the game was doing well why the reduced funding again with more redundancies pending, these will be post's that affect the real game not the jobs for the boy's. We have to remember summer rugby is nothing new and the game has been played for as long as I can remember in the summer with no increase, if it was so good why did it not expand would our game not have been better with a strong summer and winter competition?
  8. If the game was going from strength to strength why are 41 employees of the RFL jobs at risk and I know of others who have already gone this year, 2016
  9. Marketing Plan? Participation Evidence 2.pdf Participation Evidence.pdf
  10. Think they can only play 4
  11. This link may help not much information but the secretary's details are on the system, contact them and they should come back to you to confirm http://hullopenagerugbyleague.pitchero.com/club-info
  12. Only time will tell
  13. I think there is a bit of an issue The Hull committee are not the easiest and some clubs went to the summer league slagging off the H&D, the committee remember this. Norland left as they won everything saying they wanted a new challenge and now it ain't worked out is it them or the committee I don't really know. Note no West Hull, Skirlaugh, Dockers and I know past friction It is what it is and we have to live with it
  14. Hull and District Three Tuns Myton A Myton Academy East Hull Hull Isberg Lambwath Lambwath Academy North Hull Knights NHK A Brownies Hull Wyke Beverley Academy Embassy Reckitts Cottingham Bilton Sullies Bransholme Dales Not all have confirmed but these will hopefully make up 2 divisions good luck to whoever enters
  15. Wilber spot on! U18s IMO from being on the ground my lad is now 19 : I think transfers and poaching an issue, you have the elite team who want to have the super team and try to attract the best players. When they have the super team they hammer everyone and teams will not get numbers to play them. I received a phone call get your lad to come to xxxx club and we will get your lad on The local professional club, he stayed and didn't get on the Pro Club, why was he good enough if he went to A but not good enough if he stayed at B The team reaches 16 and the good players sign for the Pro Club, the majority of the rest pack in the game as they struggle to suffer defeat also their pride is hurt, most think they are better than they probably are, the Pro clubs are ticking a box and use the majority when released only a small % return to the amateur ranks. Clubs are too insular and some would rather the player pack the game in rather than go to another club, Sunday morning has been an issue and at that age they find birds but mainly booze so getting up is an issue to travel. There aren't enough open age players so the lads are old enough at 16 to play and are used in OA, is it easier to run the OA team and play on a Saturday then go out rather than struggle on a Sunday with boozed up players, to get games most have to travel which again the expense can be a problem. Possible Solution : Scrap the U16 Academy's : The issue of transfers and poaching has always been an issue with rules stretched for the elite clubs which also passifies the Pro Club there could be a few things done but would upset most so they don't get voted on, the Elite clubs usually have strong characters on board or people who are associated with the RFL or the Pro Club and I find they over power the rest. : Possible double headers with the First team this does happen in RU, I have been in both RU and RL but sometimes find the 1st team coach and club do not always appreciate the 2nd team or youth and how important they are to the club itself this works both ways as a lot of coaches ring fence their team rather than embracing the club