SSoutherner

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    Our new position in the EU

    Yes even my hyper rabid brexit voting mate who was originally going on about how he was going to hold a street party on Brexit day getting his bunting out etc had now morphed gradually into "I still believe in Brexit but I don't think we are going about it the right way and we are going to get a really bad deal but I am sure we will recover"
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    Our new position in the EU

    Yes I did and it says nothing i did not - security info swapping (a lot of which is rumours, snippets and informant info) is VERY different from extradition using rock solid evidence through the courts - this is the important distinction "THROUGH THE COURTS" means a court has to be responsible for deciding if the evidence is sufficient - whilst under the ECJ & charter of rights all the EU countries basically feed up into the same legal framework - when we step away we step away - without that LEGAL trust/systems alignment you can't have nod and a wink okaying of each others warrants - you can still tip each other wink on info and rumours - THEY ARE NOT THE SAME FROM A LEGAL VIEWPOINT
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    Our new position in the EU

    Do you read what you write ? The European arrest warrant is about an arrest warrant issued in one EU country being valid in all so expediting the extradition process. GCHQ passing on security info to stop attacks in other EU countries is about sharing terrorist security info. 2 allied but also very distinct situations - you quote "attacks in 4 EU countries" so let's assume 2 plots per country and 4 per plot that is still only 32 people - but to quote the BBC article "According to the National Crime Agency, other EU members requested the arrest of 14,279 UK-based suspects in 2015-6, up from 1,865 in 2004. The UK made 241 such requests in 2015-6, leading to 150 arrests." As you can see basically an order of magnitude of difference in numbers
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    Our new position in the EU

    As soon as we said we were leaving all juristiction of the ECJ I said this would happen and various people laughed and told me I was mad - as predicted if we refuse to be bound in any way shape or form by the ECJ we can not reply on the jurisdiction of the ECJ to deport criminals to us - we will have to sign a new extradition treaty with the EU and every time we want to extradite a dodgy crook from the costa's (remember the 1980's & 90's) we will have to apply for an extradition warrant with evidence hugely slowing down the process https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44532500 I also predict by the same process that the current system which is finally just starting to work whereby if a foreign EU driver is caught speeding/red light jumping by camera in the UK we can track them via their own countries police and issue a fine/points will also stop working
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    Our new position in the EU

    It is also a very dangerous road to go down as if you start down the the "UK pays more to EU than a lot of others do so should get more back", that leads to "England pays more to UK", "Surrey pays more to England" etc etc In fact even the fairly anti EU telegraph was reporting that West Wales and Cornwall get about the same per head as Romania from the EU - it is London (the city) which really distorts things across the entire EU not just the UK & England https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/01/mapped-where-in-the-uk-receives-most-eu-funding-and-how-does-thi/
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    Our new position in the EU

    Yes 10meters form my house is the constituency of redwood - it overwhelmingly voted remain but has a mad OTT Brexit voting MP
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    Our new position in the EU

    The way I understood the Grieve amendment was that IF the government come to the end of the negotiation phase and put the final agreement in front of the commons the vote is not take it of leave it instead parliament can say to the govt "no- go back and ask for x, rein back on y", the actual amendment that May tabled was that if the agreement was not acceptable to parliament they could say so and the govt would read what they said but need not act on it. It was/is nothing to do with the ongoing negotiations but instead is how parliament can react to the final agreement Also on the EU side the negotiators are very much governed by their various legislatures not least that anything re Gib the spanish govt has to sign off on
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    Our new position in the EU

    The biggest problem with the referendum is it is much easier to "sell" an unspecified change as it is aspirational and hopeful whilst the remain campaign was basically, "stay the same because change looks scary for x y & z reasons" which is not exactly inspiring. Now the "winners" have to try and deliver on some of their promises which is hard because they appear to be either impossible or contradicting each other - it is for example impossible to be both protectionist to our industry whilst also having open border zero tariff imports to bring down consumer prices. Until a blueprint for the Brexit we are aiming for can be agreed it can not be "sold" to the public for them to comment on whether it is what they voted for or not. I think secretly an awful lot of Leave voters think they have been sold a pup but now expect their politicians to pull a rabbit out of a hat and come up with some glittering compromise that will appease all and take us to the sunny uplands promised. Already various pro brexit factions seem to be lining up to blame the inevitable failure to get that on remainers sabotage and not on the actual structural issues with Brexit itself. I think the biggest mistake once the referendum was called was for May to have pressed the A50 button, i know she was being hassled by the EU because they wanted it over before the next budget cycle but there is nothing in the A50 rules saying it had to be pressed then. She should have said she was setting up a cross party team to decided upon a Brexit course and that they would bring their consensus to parliament to vote upon and agree and then and only then would she press the button and put the plans to the EU
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    Our new position in the EU

    How about this for they need us more than we need them - https://news.sky.com/story/european-businesses-advised-to-avoid-using-british-parts-ahead-of-brexit-11395908?__twitter_impression=true
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    Our new position in the EU

    UKIP, BNP, NF or some other xenophobic party
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    Our new position in the EU

    And that is because both parties are equally split on it and are worried about losing enough support to UKIP they hand the next election to the other party - the trouble with FPTP is it means the mobile voters are the only ones the parties need to appease Strangely if one (major) party went pro EU the other would likely follow for the same reason - Game theory
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    Those nice tories

    Also after the welsh nuclear announcement yesterday expect them to try and slip out an announcement to delay/cancel the cardiff Bay tidal lagoon project under the other parliamentary noise
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    Our new position in the EU

    total about face from OpenEurope (Run by Gove's mate) who are now saying alignment with SM a good thing https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-think-tank-michael-gove-single-market-open-europe-negotiations-a8381451.html “Open Europe’s blueprint recognises that the UK is too big an economy to be a rule-taker in areas like financial services, while accepting that we can get a very good degree of access in goods by giving up a limited amount control. “The country decisively voted to leave and we cannot be 52 per cent out and 48 per cent in, but we can and should aim for a close economic relationship with our nearest neighbours."
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    Denmark bans full face veils

    True but a bit off topic story on that - 17 or 18yo me in the late 80's, cold wet day I jumped of bike and marched in the bank by the bike park pulling my crash helmet off and joined the queue Suddenly think - why has it gone quiet and people are starring I had forgotten i was wearing a balaclava under the lid - one of the ones with just a round mouth hole and 2 eye holes Whipped it off quick and there was a sigh of relief when all realised i was a spotty youth not a bank robber
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    Denmark bans full face veils

    If you go to the Eastern Med there are still many many communities where all the older women will be dressed in black and keep their heads covered at all times, definitely in all of the orthodox christian churches no woman would consider entering a church without a head covering and I believe the Coptic christians wear head coverings and veil. I think all religious inspired clothing is a equally abhorrent as it marks people out as different which is were the problems start. But I think we have as less right to ban the Burhka as we do to ban circumcision by certain groups or the wearing of the Turban by sikhs (we even allow Sikh motorcyclists to ride without a crash helmet