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Was detritus one of Clive Woody's alter egos as well?

Indeed, but they may not employee you in the first place becuase of them..

Indeed.. but on your last sentence.. did he? we havent seen anywhere near enough IMHO to make that call either way. The fact the RFL and an independent tribunal have and have come up with this verdict I would suggest is telling.

There is a difference between having an opinion and being prejudicial and therefore making it that people are not accepted. Again, so far there is a small sample of tweets been shown, when we see the lot then perhaps the idea "it was just an opinion" may change. Perhaps it won't, I'm trying not to judge until more information comes through but just putting across the way these things tend to work. You'd really struggle to argue that last point to be fair, its often thrown at this type of thing as "well your not including my opinion" and it just doesn't work like that.. If you want to go into why I suggest that's for a separate topic in the politics forum as it would derail this one quickly..

Its probably a mixture of the 2... many clubs could well still have sat back not realising that they were the target if the TV money was still coming in.. Carrot and Stick combination etc as they tend not to work on their own.

and is that the one he gets the ban for? maybe its just an example that has been put up there for someone to prove a point (either way) and it isnt actually one they were worried about.. I havent seen it so wouldnt make a call either way.

This isnt a court of law, this is a "company tribunal" for want of a better way of looking at it. He has fallen foul of the company policy.. therefore gets punished by the company. Whether it is harsh or not would depend on how the punishments are laid out in the policy I would guess. Sheer weight of numbers is probably in there hence they trawled back through the tweets.

There are people who hold many different views as normal and the opposing view to be offensive. The RFL have decided that they are going to be an inclusive sport and therefore by being non inclusive and holding prejudicial views you would be going against their sports values an therefore breaking the terms of the "social media contract". Its not a personal thing it is what you sign up to. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, they also should be able to be called out on it (both sides) but when you decide to work in an organisation that has "values" that they want everyone to adhere to, and have a policy enforcing those then you either keep to them or you find somewhere to play/work that is more aligned to your values. As a general rule in life I find that tends to work.. If I don't like the values being espoused in a pub I walk out of the pub, if I don't like what the people I am with are saying I don't keep hanging out with them (after challenging it first), if a company I work for acts in a dishonest way or one that goes against my personal values I leave the company.

I dont think that would be unique to this situation as it shows charachter (even if it is back until they were 16) but maybe effecting the size of the ban in terms of "hes always been like this and no one has said anything therefore the acceptability of the comments has not been challenged properly which is our failing as a governing body" and so hence the suspended 5 matches rather than a full 8 game ban giving him the opportunity not to act in that way again.. until we get some detail we really just dont know.

I dont think happy is the way I'd describe my feelings on the situation... not a thing out of Eagles, or the RFL its an utter farce... (to be fair gregson is still employed too, just cant play for the 3 matches). The reason I used Aston was that he has demanded this appeal as he feels (wrongly IMHO) that he is being harshly treated, therefore, if this was similar (content from 2012) you would assume that similar noises would come from Widnes or Gregson himself, and I couldnt remember if Aston was CAS or someone else hence using his example.

If that was all it was then I'd agree. I think it's safest to assume it isn't hence the ban.. they don't tend to pick these things out of the air as they can be challenged not only in the court of public opinion but also on appeal within itself and to CAS (or the equivalent) as shown by Mark Aston

While I get your point the point I'm making is that a strong london can be good for everyone they just need to have the will to get it there to grow the overall package that is sold to broadcasters and sponsors gaining more long term. Hence not seeing beyond the end of their nose.. good businesses can do that, RL clubs seem to not be able to do that.

Spurs fans then

I think the bit in bold is a really good point. The clubs wanted a successful Catalans and so they give them dispensations etc to make it happen (of course we see this being undercut with the daft things they do to them now) but if the rest of super league couldnt give a stuff then they will always be battling against the tide. Sadly i dont think many clubs can see past the nose on their face in terms of what can benefit them from success in London etc I like the world club challenge idea too.

ah ok. I dont remember him to be honest. I spent more time on our club forum that was also on angelfire.

The drummer in Joy Division?

I've mentioned the new take by the NFL, pivoting from NFL Europe and talking about a franchise in London, on a few threads. I also think its interesting that the language in the IMG documents about London is that it is "strategically important" rather than "needing a team" which I think is probably fair.

I remember anglefire now that you mention it.. wow!

ROI can be negative as well as positive and what you are prepared to lose, it can also not just be a number it can indeed be about reflected glory.. its about "what do they want" out of it and, as I said, everyone's "want" is different.

Oooh look at you with your facts

You mention NFL... There is an argument that you don't need a club yet, back to zero, you need events... Get the events, get the interest, build the club. NFL realised that NFL Europe was not the way to make it work but "ok the road" games were... RL need to work out what it is that makes it work....I'm not 100% sure... But I'm going to lie it on the line and say PROPER INTERNATIONALS are 100% the starting point. Expansion is easier with an international set up that means something..

Other sports get through it... If it happens it happens... Frankly looking at what is going on now, losing them doesn't seem quite so bad..

No..... Had a lot of time for Cas Vegas...

Clive woody and silent bob... Totally forgot about him/they/them... Bob was ace... Woody well...

Yeah so why did you come back... Get out of my house !!!