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Nah Dave is only about 24 hes just got good grammar and diction

I'd forgotten Daza XIII and Millward is a Gurner... I go back to somewhere around 2001 I think... Mind goes when you get older many jobs/companies have tried to stop me posting but I've found a way

I think they get the implications fine.. these criteria are not staying the same for the 12 years.. In the exact same way people have invested during p&R had some misfortune then pulled out.. now if you invest properly you can see the path... When the clubs are up to the grade (literally) the criteria will shift.. IMG have specifically talked about this not being a one hit set in stone criteria.. How many years? Ask them I don't know what their expectations are or how much money they are prepared to invest and what ROI they expect... Everyone's reasons for investing in things is different..

Surely if it's because of reckless spending it should... Different if they've suddenly lost a sponsor (for example) for reasons totally unexpected and not of their making.

Ok now I'm starting to disagree

March last year, when all of this was well known... I don't think people with the money they have and the success they have had are that naive to be fair... No time limit, understanding that you build from the bottom up.. I think they grasp the exact nature of what they need to do.. they're ok

Absolutely but those fans should be caught in the marketing campaigns to the locals etc . What they don't want to do is aim at the backpackers.

They are starting to shift players though to be fair

Agree with this

Same question back at you when they fail in promotion bids because someone else is doing the same.. history shows they pull out then too. They've come in knowing the situation . Why would they pull out when nothing has changed

It depends on how the criteria shift in the coming years .. how long would they have stayed in if they kept getting injuries or missing out on promotion due to a surprise grand final loss? How does history tells us that goes? Money men leave, clubs hit the financial skids etc etc p&r has a history we can actually look at to see what happens.. yes some work but most don't

No it wouldn't improve.. those clubs need to be incentivised to improve properly... History tells us that... It's not rocket science

Or doing it before the bit below is brought up to a standard where the drop isn't ruinous ... It's getting there, and if the teams are aiming properly for higher grades it will get there faster.. but right now it would just be a name change to the division below it. The fundamental issues would still be there.. (And why, for those that want P&R so badly, is it ok to ring fence the top 20 but not the top 12 or 14?)

As has been said previously as well . Just to start to tease information out, dates etc.. it doesn't need to be totally organised but agreed to be able to start marketing etc ..

Just to add, if you don't organise the 3 major matches how do you know where in the country you will be or what dates you will be playing on to then be able to arrange everything/anything else . Get those 3 in the diary and signed off.. as GJ has said a few times don't let perfect get in the way of good... We can work on perfect with negotiations later

Or they change the criteria as the situation develops and everyone is meeting the criteria set at the start to get the teams to the base level of what is acceptable of a professional televised sport.

Frankly you say it's not as easy as you would like to believe . It's equally not as difficult as being made out, IF (and that is a big IF) everyone involved really wanted it to happen.

No it doesn't need to be done holistically. You get sign off for the major part of the tour so that you can get that organised, announced and sold. Then you can look to see if there is an appetite to add games and if so what is the implications on squad sizes and therefore cost.. but you already have the games organised and the money starting to come in.. (sponsorships etc). It's is exactly what I would expect if its taking so long to work with them.

First line of his post that you quoted shows that's not what he's saying. Organise the 3 ashes games and get them signed off... THEN you can try to organise more and see if you can get those signed off... But you've already got the key part of it sorted.

But this is the thing.. ambitious clubs can still get promoted, they just need to prove they are building the club and that it gives the league "more to sell". This isn't a closed shop... I support Sheffield eagles and we are "locked out" except we aren't if we can get a nice ground built/rented and get our house in order .. this is much better than 1 person coming in, spending a chunk of cash on a team that needs to have luck in terms of injuries etc, then gets promoted with a terrible ground situation and no back up finance if that person walks away. For the club and the league that is not a good situation. I also support Sheffield Wednesday so I know about promotion and relegation. My gripe (which a certain poster doesn't seem to grasp) is that the people actually being properly affected in RL is potentially devastation to their lives, in football it isn't. To find that entertaining IMHO is bizarre and to think as a spectator you are more important than the mental wellbeing of those involved is equally bizarre. Build the game to the point where that step down is not potentially ruiness and bring Straight P&R back by all means but with the drop off we have now it is not the right thing for the people involved IMHO

Let alone all the other "minor sports" that are all invitation only leagues... But they don't count because they are too small/imported/no tradition (delete as applicable)

Even that's not true which was the whole point of 1895... Players have always been "incentivised" is one format or another, the better you were/the more a club needed you the bigger the incentives

The problem now is the size of the step down. I'd have P&R if it were more like football where the step down isn't so big and damaging to a club/player. That's circle trying to be squared IMHO

You clipped, missing the full point out.. the whole post was relevant. Jeopardy isn't about getting entertainment out of people losing their jobs and more. It isn't about the people in the stands it's about the players on the pitch and the staff that one game, one piece of bad luck can see their world fall in on them. I've seen it first hand with people I know who work in sport and the stress levels are immense. But if you find that "entertaining" then you're right I won't reply to you..

I've said this to you before about clipping posts, it's extremely rude... Read the whole thing and actually quote it properly.. read it... What you have said completely misses the entire point.. it has nothing to do with you and all to do with the people who ACTUALLY have jeopardy in this.. not the bloke who loses nothing sitting in the stands... What you point out is the utter arrogance and "as long as it isn't me" that I'm calling out.