RP London

I remember anglefire now that you mention it.. wow!

ROI can be negative as well as positive and what you are prepared to lose, it can also not just be a number it can indeed be about reflected glory.. its about "what do they want" out of it and, as I said, everyone's "want" is different.

Oooh look at you with your facts

You mention NFL... There is an argument that you don't need a club yet, back to zero, you need events... Get the events, get the interest, build the club. NFL realised that NFL Europe was not the way to make it work but "ok the road" games were... RL need to work out what it is that makes it work....I'm not 100% sure... But I'm going to lie it on the line and say PROPER INTERNATIONALS are 100% the starting point. Expansion is easier with an international set up that means something..

Other sports get through it... If it happens it happens... Frankly looking at what is going on now, losing them doesn't seem quite so bad..

No..... Had a lot of time for Cas Vegas...

Clive woody and silent bob... Totally forgot about him/they/them... Bob was ace... Woody well...

Yeah so why did you come back... Get out of my house !!!

Nah Dave is only about 24 hes just got good grammar and diction

I'd forgotten Daza XIII and Millward is a Gurner... I go back to somewhere around 2001 I think... Mind goes when you get older many jobs/companies have tried to stop me posting but I've found a way

I think they get the implications fine.. these criteria are not staying the same for the 12 years.. In the exact same way people have invested during p&R had some misfortune then pulled out.. now if you invest properly you can see the path... When the clubs are up to the grade (literally) the criteria will shift.. IMG have specifically talked about this not being a one hit set in stone criteria.. How many years? Ask them I don't know what their expectations are or how much money they are prepared to invest and what ROI they expect... Everyone's reasons for investing in things is different..

Surely if it's because of reckless spending it should... Different if they've suddenly lost a sponsor (for example) for reasons totally unexpected and not of their making.

Ok now I'm starting to disagree

March last year, when all of this was well known... I don't think people with the money they have and the success they have had are that naive to be fair... No time limit, understanding that you build from the bottom up.. I think they grasp the exact nature of what they need to do.. they're ok

Absolutely but those fans should be caught in the marketing campaigns to the locals etc . What they don't want to do is aim at the backpackers.

They are starting to shift players though to be fair

Agree with this

Same question back at you when they fail in promotion bids because someone else is doing the same.. history shows they pull out then too. They've come in knowing the situation . Why would they pull out when nothing has changed

It depends on how the criteria shift in the coming years .. how long would they have stayed in if they kept getting injuries or missing out on promotion due to a surprise grand final loss? How does history tells us that goes? Money men leave, clubs hit the financial skids etc etc p&r has a history we can actually look at to see what happens.. yes some work but most don't

No it wouldn't improve.. those clubs need to be incentivised to improve properly... History tells us that... It's not rocket science

Or doing it before the bit below is brought up to a standard where the drop isn't ruinous ... It's getting there, and if the teams are aiming properly for higher grades it will get there faster.. but right now it would just be a name change to the division below it. The fundamental issues would still be there.. (And why, for those that want P&R so badly, is it ok to ring fence the top 20 but not the top 12 or 14?)

As has been said previously as well . Just to start to tease information out, dates etc.. it doesn't need to be totally organised but agreed to be able to start marketing etc ..

Just to add, if you don't organise the 3 major matches how do you know where in the country you will be or what dates you will be playing on to then be able to arrange everything/anything else . Get those 3 in the diary and signed off.. as GJ has said a few times don't let perfect get in the way of good... We can work on perfect with negotiations later

Or they change the criteria as the situation develops and everyone is meeting the criteria set at the start to get the teams to the base level of what is acceptable of a professional televised sport.

Frankly you say it's not as easy as you would like to believe . It's equally not as difficult as being made out, IF (and that is a big IF) everyone involved really wanted it to happen.