ELBOWSEYE

Can't argue with your view, I will just add that most GF are played in wet conditions at old Trafford,so it's a style you will need to master. Last year you just fell short against an experienced Wigan side and it odds favour the two same sides making it.

My god you really struggle to win gracefully, I have not decried HKR their win, but some posters on here trying to make out what happened in the game was different to the actual game. And as for ungracious wire fans, before and after the game I had grown men coming and shouting the usual insulting Warrington song ( me and my wife are mid sixties) .so save the rubbish for someone who is interested. Also as for ungracious when FC beat us at Huddersfield in the semis a few years ago I was among the Warrington fans who gave a guard of honour to the fans of FC applauding them out of the car park.

Enjoyed the day, apart from 3 minutes. At first I thought HKR fans would outnumber us 10 to 1 but on the stadium the numbers weren't as bad as feared. One note of disappointment is with some people who had junior clubs and how they control them. Outside a junior Hull based side ( junior school age) were singing the usual Warrington song( I don't need to print it) as Warrington fans passed and parents and organizers just laughing same with one of the teams going round the field( possibly Blacbrook from ST Helens just behaving the same when being clapped as they past the Warrington end, again coaches laughing.Then we wonder why they behave like idiots when older and full of beer.

You never looked like scoring until the 77th minute, as you have wrote on many posts that you don't care how you win as long as you win, well you won, but please stop trying to convince everyone that it was anything but a game were you got the result but we're nothing but second best apart from the scoreboard.

There wasn't a HKR player who was in the top five performances on the pitch, I was surprised Lewis got 6 votes, he was poor, Broadbent was one of the better HkR players

I agree but it's a forgone conclusion with HKR 1/4 odds on favourite, on the game I have never attended a final so relaxed, as a wire it feels like a free hit no pressure.

Harry just looked at street view to remind me of the area , across from the high school it hasn't changed the price reflects the area and in Warrington you would be more than doubling the price.

You could purchase the whole of Abbey lane estate for that house, looking at the map that was a new estate when I was at school,must of leveled it.

Live not come from, I originated from Abbey lane estate in West Leigh.

You have hit a nerve there. But seriously even a shed in Stockton Heath is more expensive than a house in Leigh

I do think last year will have an effect on the Warrington mindset, they know they underperformed and those involved will have a point to prove. With Williams he stated before the semi finals that he would be ready if we made it,

Massively, the new areas around Chapleford are barren areas with regards to fans, the club needs to target all schools so the children get exposed to the club. But as you stated the old heartland of Warrington is very low key, no cars very few houses decorated, there are big screens in the center on Saturday that will be well attended.

Brian used to pick me up for training before I was released, so I was there at The time, maybe it's mix of both.

I know what you mean but I have noticed a low profile reaction, maybe it's the form or the regular visits to Wembley, 8th since 2009. I remember the 2009 and people who never go went in my family went from a dozen to forty and the same in 2010 but it then drops to regular fans the more you go.

Sorry to correct you, Geoff (piggy) Fletcher asked them to pay the £250 for Dessie, they refused so he offered to pay it himself, there were some good directors there at the time but they weren't always wise, in my age group John Pendlebury was a Bedford high school player that was ignored and he went to Wigan. Also they would budge on the £ 250 if you signed on from amateur clubs that's why Derek Pyke signed from Leigh RU Rather than the miners.

It was a £250 signing on fee then.

I fondly remember both at Leigh when I lived there, Des used to chat with the colts and young A teamers, woody was a legend we couldn't touch him at training, maybe it's because I regard them more at Leigh rather than Warrington even though they were Great players.

At Warrington it has to be the great Brian Bevan, but in my time are some legends, Andrew John's for impact ( very short term) Les Boyd and Adrian Morley, local Lee Briers.

I am no HKR fan (wire) , they are the form team this season so far, until they win trophies they won't be the best team, as a wire I have seen us go into numerous GF as the form team and lose but at least we won several CC finals and a couple of LLS.

Even the most one eyed Warrington fan doesn't expect us to tonk HKR, I sure they will give us a game.

I hope those two play because that will swing the penalty count towards Warrington.

I have watched the Newcastle Knights a few times this year and I fail to see the obsession with KPP, he doesn't get involved enough,the potential Aussie back row of Yeo, Martin and Hudson young and plenty of others looks way above the players we are choosing from.

Do they still give prizes for stating the obvious.

Agree with everything you state, but the skills involved with Lomax first try and To'o try, the Lattrel Mitchell hands were sublime and Crighton is the best centre playing ( good job he's Samoan and not an Aussie.

There are a few long term, Hayes(7), walker(9), Williams 6) others with carrying and missing quite a few game, wrench( just back) king, Vaughan, Fitzgibbon, Sneyd,Leyland ,Crowther. Squad/ younger Taylor wray. So it's not just the long term but when the short term happens, Warrington have had a lot in the same period and also getting rid of Musgrove for disciplinary breaches.. Every player fit and well you are pushing for top three, lose key players and in the bottom three.