Chrispmartha

No, something can be objectively badly designed but someone subjectively might like the look of it. There are principles of good and bad design especially in branding. Take the Swinton logo, you might like the look of it, but technically it really doesn’t work on all the places it is going to appear (like the SM profile i posted) that is bad design, that’s not subjective.

No you’re confused about what Im calling objectively rubbish. The logo is objectively a rubbish design, design might be ‘subjective’ but in reality there are fundamentals of design otherwise you wouldn’t have professional designers, which the Leigh logo was definitely not designed by. The overall branding as in the name and the cut through has been a success partly because of the success on the pitch and partly because they've done a fairly decent job in making a lot of noise with their marketing, it hasn’t been a success because of the terribly designed logo.

I think it’s more likely to be a stock illustration not Ai.

I’ve worked in Branding and design for over 25 years, the Leigh Leopards logo is objectively terrible and poorly designed. Changing the name to Leopards was a great idea. But if you think success on the pitch isn’t massively important for sports marketing I’m not sure it’s me who doesn’t understand marketing. I also used Luck in a different way to you are implying.

2 for one? The Rhinos is an interesting one, as A designer I think its objectively outdated and a bit rubbish, but it's so well known I think they are related;uctant to change it, however in the hands a of a decent branding agency it could easily be modernised and look far better, I think probably they can't justify the cost though. I'd love them to update it. The Leigh Leopards branding is absolutely one of the worst Ive ever seen. Not the rebrand as in the name, I think that was a good idea but the execution is simply amateurish, they are 'lucky' (and I mean that only in regards to branding) that they have been a success on the field which has made people overlook how terrible the branding actually is.

And it's from his employers!

Id argue that a rebrand is more than just whether your fan base (which will be biased) is all that counts, it has to appeal to other people aswell

It also looks a right old mess as aSocial Media icon s

Generic stock/Ai generated logo with literally zero thought or creativity gone into it.

Jeez that's in poor taste isnt it

That’s a currant teacake.

Just let everyone say what they call a Bread Roll (it’s a teacake) and watch the sparks fly

Blease has said there’s nothing in it and Croft will be back next week

I expect he’ll go but not this year, Leeds will want a fee and St George won’t pay it. But as I say I fully expect his NRL clause to be triggered in 2026

Yorkshire Lancs would make more sense if as you say there was an England game shortly after it.

The problem is, there is one option there which means England don't play a game at all.

If after the 12 years partnership with IMG the sport hasn’t progressed on and off the field then it has failed. I haven’t got a clue what you mean by me putting all my eggs in IMGs basket?

Your second point is a total strawman as I’ve never stated such a thing. The sport has partnered with IMG if it fails they have failed. And youve said you want IMG to fail. no one has mentioned the sport not existing other than you.

What about those that think it will benefit both SL and those outside it, it doesn’t have to be as black and white as you are suggesting. And yes I find it bizarre that you would want the sport to fail.

But what I said is you've said you want them to fail not that you think they will. Which seems bizarre to me.

Harry has openly said he want's IMG to fail, worth bearing in mind when reading his posts

Unless I missed it the article on this website posted above seems to omit Dwyer correcting the misrepresentation of the figures paid… wonder why?

Rodstock and Ellgren? Betfred and Oxen already rubbing their hands at the prospect

The point I'm making is do people especially younger people see themselves as Lancastrian, is it something that they will get behind/care about? I’m not totally against the idea I just don’t see the point

Its 2024. Wonder if Morgan Knowles considers himself Lancastrian?