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  1. Disagree with regard to US sports. They reward teams that do badly. The worse you do the more you get rewarded. It’s a socialist, manufactured sports system engineered to create an even competition (even though that doesn’t effectively work as there are dynasties/teams that win multiple trophies). Can’t speak about Australia as I’m not familiar with their sporting landscape. In terms of a team with ‘nothing to play for’ vs a team with everything to play for (title, playoff place, promotion, avoid relegation), the latter will always have more hunger. That’s universal. Having something tangible to fight for trumps ‘just wanting to win’. You have an extra level of motivation when there is something on the line. You cannot manufacture the same level of hunger. Taking hunger outside a sporting context, when a child is in danger a parent finds an extra level of strength they didn’t know they had. Documented cases of people lifting objects to save someone they otherwise would never be able to. Saving a team from relegation you’ll see players run the extra yard, players who were previously regraded as “lazy” making last ditch tackles.
  2. The Olympics is dying on its ######. Sponsors have been pulling out in their droves over the last decade. The gravitas that was once associated with the Olympics is no longer there. As mentioned above, the two main Summer Olympic sports are track and field and swimming, both rife with performance enhancing drug use. Any activity where power, speed and/or endurance are pivotal to a result will always be tainted with the suspicion of drug use. As head of the IOC Seb Coe put forward a proposal to wipe out all athletic world records pre 2000, but that won’t change the public’s perception. Flo Jo has the women’s 100 and 200, marks that are unlikely to be surpassed unless a more advanced (and undetectable) batch of steroids that she used are available. Rugby Union I don’t think gained much by featuring in the last games. It looked out of place, similar to golf, and was played before small crowds in a tiny stadium. I doubt it would have got much (if any) coverage outside the batch of RU playing heartlands bar a small mention in the games round up section, and in those heartlands it’s seen as a minor event in contrast to the RUWC. Seoul 1988 is when the games decline started. Ben Johnson changed everything. 9.79. From being a stunning achievement, to being a farce, in the space of 24 hours. Seven out of eight in that race have failed drug tests, Carl Lewis arguably the most loathsome of the lot. To win a race clean is nigh on impossible, because someone (if not most/all) will be cheating, and to beat a cheat cleanly you’d need to be freakishly good, which, is nigh on impossible.
  3. AFL “really is played by a lot of little fairies” RL is “an extraordinarily tough game played by blokes that generally don`t dive or fake injuries, who get smashed in tackle after tackle and keep getting up and playing on” Is your 1970s/80s meathead view the norm? Any word on the domestic violence issue in Aussie rugby league? ”Hard” men eh? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/22/rugby-league-has-a-domestic-violence-problem-the-nrls-lip-service-wont-fix-it I had no idea Inglis was another hard man who beats up women.
  4. I’d like to say it’s a classy response from McLachlan (which it is), but that would suggest he’s somehow doing something out of the ordinary. His response is what you would expect from any CEO of a professional organisation. That NRL fella comes across as an uncouth meathead.
  5. Never seen that stated before but thinking about it I’d say thats true among the general populous who know next to nothing about RL but have some degree of knowledge of sport. If you asked them about Aus and rugby they’d likely think RU, and by association the All Blacks (thus that team in black are the best), and If you asked them to name a famous Aussie named Wally 99% in that group that could give an answer would likely say the bloke from Crocodile Dundee. In saying all this wouldn’t Aus be a much bigger draw among the peripheral RL audience? They will know that Aus are kings in RL and wouldn’t instantly think ‘the team in black’. And surely it’s RL followers that make up a large percentage of the crowd? If this is the case then surely Aus would be the prime draw.
  6. It’s an equivalent of white flight. The right wingers are all bunkering down to Texas (where my brother lives). The big issue with America is how volatile it will become as statues of slave owners come tumbling down, said tyrants get removed from currency etc. The storming of the Capitol (built by slaves) in January was just a flavour of what is to come. By 2040 non whites will be the majority (before the 1965 immigration act which ended their racist immigration policy it was 90% white, and since then the conservative white nationalist movement has grown, an acceleration we are witnessing now). The white narrative has dominated proceedings for centuries, but that’s changing, and America will change into something unrecognisable, and tens of millions will not like it one little bit. Mount Rushmore (carved by a KKK member) has two slave owners (jefferson and washington, both of whom owned overs 600 black people (deemed ‘property’ in the constitution), while the former labelled the Natives subhuman in the ‘declaration’ and was the pioneer of scientific racism), another one (T.roosevelt) justified the ethnic cleansing of the Natives by stating “I don’t subscribe to the view that all good Indians are dead, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I won’t enquire on the health of the tenth”, and the last one, lincoln, stated “I am not, nor ever have been in favour of making voters or jurors of (*term for black people), nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people” (black people did not have the vote until 1867 (they weren’t citizens either as like everything else that too was restricted to white people), and the ban on interracial marriage ended a century later). This statue perfectly represents the DNA of the place. A proposal five years ago to put Harriet Tubman (black slave) on the $20 dollar bill instead of Andrew Jackson was dismissed by Trump and co...catering to his base of tens of millions, before Biden started up the process again. It’s still a farce as one side of the note would be a slave, and the other (Jackson) another slave owning tyrant (who as president also pioneered the trail of tears on the Natives). This move (attempting to appease both sides) is akin to putting a tiny plaster on a dam that’s about to burst. A US author James Whitman (he wrote a book on the US race laws influence on the Nuremberg laws of Nazi Germany) stated the difference been America and Germany is Germany has completely dealt with its past (which was a twenty year period of its history) America has never done that, hence the enormous discrepancy in tolerance between the two today.
  7. That’s kinda understandable as you are supporting a company that supports RL. A form of loyalty if anything. The worst is Everton fans who flat out refuse to buy anything with red in it (unless it cannot be avoided).
  8. Eh? Nowt wrong with it. Sport (especially team sport) is all about the fans.
  9. She’s great. Articulate and informative. I’m preferring women analysts tbh (Alex Scott in football another).
  10. I’m going to pick out one example here but this applies to every sportsperson. Do you want to be loved forever, or do you want to be viewed with indifference? When Fernando Torres left Liverpool to join Chelsea in January 2011 that completely finished off any attachment I had to a player. It’s a move that also ruined him as the love he got from Liverpool was never reciprocated at Chelsea. Torres did an article this week in The Independent where he looked back on his career and realised that the most important thing was the relationships he had formed with people, and in his head were the warm memories of scoring goals and the connection with fans, not medals/trophies (which was his aim before his career started). A round metal thing stored in your drawer is nice, but there’s no emotion with that. It’s the memories of things you did on the field (court, ring etc.) and the cheers of the crowd, it’s that what gives you most satisfaction. Nothing beats being adored for life by fans you had a connection with. Torres is liked by Liverpool fans for his time at the club, but any lifelong connection ended when he jumped ship to Chelsea. This pains him. His name will never be sung again at Anfield. He will never walk out during a half time presentation and receive adoration from the crowd. His connection with the club is restricted to the years he played there (2007-2011), frozen in time, in contrast Robbie Fowler’s connection will remain forever. Michael Owen is another one who is pained by his lack of lifelong connection (in his case I think it’s unfair how he’s perceived as he gave his best years to us and was more than loyal...couldn’t care less he joined Man U at the end when he was over the hill, he’s a Liverpool legend to me). A current sportsperson would do well to take heed of the lesson Torres learned. As clinical as it sounds these people are merely employees. You might get the odd one who will stay regardless of the circumstance (a team relegated to a lower division, top star wants to stay loyal to the club (ie. fans) and get them back up), but by and large they think of #1 and will put themselves first. They will leave to become employees somewhere else, and they will retire with no connection to anybody outside their own family. Ultimately fans are the club, players are just passing through. Enjoy them while they wear your jersey, but don’t get attached.
  11. Sydney has the harbour bridge and opera house which is the most recognisable landmark of Australia (used in postcards etc), but from a purely sporting context Melbourne is a much bigger city. You have to go back to the Sydney Olympics for Sydney to have any international recognition. Melbourne has it every year with the F1 Grand Prix, tennis Australian Open, Melbourne Cup in horse racing, and in cricket the MCG is most prominent test venue. Melbourne more than stands on its own and Australia heavily relies on it for international profile. It is also regarded as a ‘European style city’ so it’s culturally very different to Sydney.
  12. I know I’m speaking from a non RL devotee point of view here so it may be polar opposite in regards to those who are devotees, but the collisions don’t do much for me. The skilful, talented players who make the eye catching plays, it’s them who generate most interest and become stars. The bigger guys who do the donkey work who also inflict the most damage, I wouldn’t watch if only they were involved. There will always be collisions as it’s a collision based sport, but focusing more on what you have stated in the bolded paragraph I think would be a huge step forward for the game. What RU is doing is window dressing. The high tackles/head collision is a red herring. You don’t need to inflict damage on the brain through that. Body collisions have shown to do that. The sudden jolt of the head moving forward as the body takes a hit causing whiplash, and over a career this will have an impact. And with the size those players are now the hits are brutal. It’s like being in a car crash every week with the brain being tossed around the skull.
  13. She does appear to be a trollop, but he is caught verbally abusing her. As reports have previously indicated there’s a definite issue with Aussie players and domestic abuse. As a bit of an Aussiephile (is that a word?) going back to the early days of Neighbours, Home and Away, Henderson Kids, Round the Twist, Prisoner Cell Block H, Halfway around the galaxy and turn left, heartbreak high....etc. etc. 60 minutes is a bloody good show.
  14. I’m an outsider on here and I like a very specific kind of RL (open, attacking, flair etc.). I’ve advocated it becoming more geared towards this (how it used to be really) as I believe it could become immensely popular, especially so considering how attritional RU has become. Growing up in the UK most kids are used to watching Zidane, Ronaldo, Messi etc. where flair is lauded so there just isn’t the appreciation for the rough and tumble stuff. If you grew up where the opposite is the case then the physical, brutish stuff would be appreciated a lot more. RU folk light up when they talk about the swashbuckling Wales team of the 70s (Gareth Edwards, JPR etc.) and yet they have allowed their sport to completely deviate from that to become a stale, forward dominated, attritional, risk averse game played in an overcrowded field full of limited gym monkeys.
  15. Liking your suggestion regarding size restriction (though how that would be enforced I’d imagine would be an issue). He’s saying what I (and many others like Jerry Guscott) have been saying for ages... the timing could have been better though as the six nations games this weekend were uncharacteristically good (not as eye catching as the past, but still a huge step up from the normal drudgery).
  16. He ain’t wrong though. Watched that fantastic Rob Burrow show which was repeated on Sky Sports tonight. He was making line breaks galore, something that just doesn’t happen in RU anymore.
  17. "Union has lost its way a bit. I enjoy watching the internationals but apart from that it's a tough game to watch." Its been that way for over 15 years, so he’s underplaying it. I barely missed an international (5/6 nations, Lions, tri nations) for well over a decade when the game was an excellent product and stuck with it while O’Driscoll was still around as he was capable of producing the odd moment of magic in spite of the bruising, attritional, gym monkey dominated drudgery around him. "If rugby league is clever now it could steal a march on rugby union because at the moment I think it's the better game to watch and to play in. It's a big time for rugby league and I think they could capitalise." I think he’s right in that it could capitalise, but not the current game. RL is not as far down the road as RU is in terms of being attritional but it’s not the wide open, attacking game it was. I think a big error has been adopting a more physical and risk averse Aussie style. You might be more competitive with Aussies (0-6 2017 RLWC final) but you won’t garner any new viewers (0-6 2017 RLWC final). Aussie tastes are not British tastes. Aussies routinely beat the bejesus out of British players (as they also did to Irish players in the International Rules series), they love a scrap, “the biff”, the emphasis is on physicality, whereas the British RL players (and Irish Gaelic players) prefer a more skill focused game. RL needs to ditch the Aussie wrestle, the watertight Aussie defensive focus, and go back to the more attack orientated open British game that can be seen from old clips online. Cater to British tastes and then it will really capitalise on all those who have ditched RU or are close to doing so.
  18. Christ almighty. After a quick google of Poots, this article perfectly sums up the Norn Iron I’ve alluded to previously. Northern Ireland's Edwin Poots: The Perfect Minister For The Land Time Forgot https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/11/northern-ireland-edwin-poots-creationist-anti-gay
  19. NI is incredibly backward, so a sensible idea like “ticking boxes” doesn’t apply here. We don’t do politics, we do tribes. To give you an idea of the farce that is Norn Iron “politics”, we had Edwin Poots, a man who thinks the Earth is 6000 years old, a man who opposes gay people giving blood, a man who represents a “party” who are against two people marrying each other regardless of their sexuality. This man was health mininster. You couldn’t make it up. On their other tribe, Martin McGuinness, was education minister. They all operate from Stormont, which is a glorified council. The real power (and politicians/grown ups) are in Westminster.
  20. That’s reductive to label it a “Protestant game” by only referring to the domestic league and national team. Quite a few catholic northerners would choose to play for the republic. When your own player (Neil Lennon) is getting booed by his own “supporters” is it any wonder? Fans meanwhile, (ball park figure) I’d say about 95% of catholic northerners support the republic, myself included. HQ of the domestic league is Windsor Park, historically as unfriendly a place for catholics as you could possible imagine (caveat being it’s a lot better now, and folk like David Jeffries have done great cross community work). Players generally will look to cross the Irish Sea if they believe they are good enough, so the make up of the players in the domestic league is even more of a moot point. The most popular sport in NI, among both communities (hate that I even have to admit to the backwardness of there being multiple communities), both playing and watching, is football. Everyone who plays Gaelic football, also plays football. The most popular sports jerseys in NI are Manchester United, Liverpool, Celtic and Rangers. Any game featuring them (or a major Premier League/Champions League game) will be the most viewed sports game. Regards RL, the problem is it’s similarity to RU as the two rugby codes. Generally if you follow one you don’t follow the other. They have their own cultures, and RU culture is embedded among Protestants in the North, and elite colleges in the South. I can’t think of anywhere where the two codes exist in the same space with the same following. Ice hockey is unrelated to anything (there’s not a seven per side Ice hockey variation with slightly different rules to compete with), so it has a free run in NI, as RL did in Toronto as RU to all intents and purposes is non existent there.
  21. Gingerjon has basically replied to what I was going to say (I’d mentioned above it was the Premier League and the Champions League, but without going into details as Jon has done). Those 80s competitions - glorified friendlies - I don’t think had any effect. They were a minor stop gap until European football returned. Liverpool won one of them back then (couldn’t tell you which one) but doing the much lauded double in ‘86 was all that was covered in any videos I have from that period. 100% on playing the semis at Wembley. You remove much of the whole “we’re going to Wemberley” mystique when you add it as a semi venue and make playing there more routine. That one move instantly made the final less special. Knocking down Wembley, an iconic venue and destination, and replacing it with a generic bowl completely finished any mystique. I got the tail end of the specialness of the Cup...first real memory is 90 to 91...Gazza free kick for Spurs vs Arsenal (maybe the first semi played at Wembley?). Another factor is increased television coverage (which of course comes with the arrival of the Premier League). Watching a game on tv was no longer unique. The more you have of something will dilute the experience.
  22. 100%. You get what you earn (unless you believe in communism). Cristiano Ronaldo became the first person to surpass half a billion followers on social media, and his sponsors on there earned over $950 million in one calendar year. He’s not that long become a billionaire himself so if anything he’s underpaid. This argument that “X deserves such an such amount” in reference to whatever sport they play, why? Phil Caplan is guilty of this. Getting up at 9am in the winter months to do assault courses, or put your body through a beating in a contest, that doesn’t determine what you should earn. Demand to see you ply your trade does.
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