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  1. They wanted to send Coventry Bears, London Skolars and West Wales Raiders back in time 10 years to play in the Rugby League Conference
  2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Argentine_Primera_División#Relegation It's in that totally obscure footballing nation called Argentina
  3. The Eastern Division of the CLS looks like a reasonably decent league (not a high enough standard for Coventry, but a worthwhile league in its own right), though the top three teams are a lot stronger than the others. I'd be surprised if the Western Division can carry on (despite strong commitment by Swindon St George and Devon Sharks) as it is down to four teams and two of them forfeited multiple matches.
  4. Chorley did quite well after dropping into the NCL and got elected back into the league after a couple of seasons. Nottingham and Blackpool ended up struggling really badly though.
  5. I think this was Coventry Dragons. I remember they ended up joining the London Premier Division instead but then folded rather than playing the season. I can't remember why they suddenly folded though (they were a strong side up until that point). Northampton Demons suddenly collapsed at the same time, they were the strongest amateur clubs in the midlands (after Nottingham) so it was a shock, especially as Leicester Storm had folded not long before.
  6. Unless they could get into the National Conference League there wouldn't be much of a local amateur game to play in for them, the midlands league is just a merit league now and the Conference League South doesn't have any midlands teams in it. Nottingham Outlaws are a good amateur side, but it does help that they're close enough to Yorkshire to play in a Yorkshire based league.
  7. I'm not sure the Southern Conference in its current form would be suitable for teams dropping out of League 1, except possibly West Wales Raiders. It's a couple of regional leagues that don't cover every part of the country south of Sheffield. Much more like the old RLC Premier Division than the old National League 3. The best two midlands amateur clubs play in the Yorkshire Men's League instead.
  8. Possibly some of the London clubs that have a lot of Australian backpackers could compete on the field with NCL clubs but they'd never meet off field criteria. Beyond them I can't see anyone getting close.
  9. Hopefully one day they'll be able to create a southern version of the NCL, but I don't think we're there yet. League 1 South seems a step too far.
  10. Bristol Sonics and South Wales Scorpions have both folded. Nottingham would probably be reluctant to switch to a league that's probably not too different in standard from their current league but with more travelling. I don't know how Hemel or Gloucestershire All Golds would feel about joining, and it may be possible to get extra Welsh or London teams to join but it doesn't really look like a League 1 South. Maybe NCL South but even not all clubs would meet off field criteria and it would be a demotion for the semi-pro clubs.
  11. Name the teams you'd have in a League One South.
  12. The Southern Conference is two regional leagues neither of which covers the midlands, so no it wouldn't be a suitable level to play at. It's also a much lower playing standard.
  13. Apart from a few years in the early 1900s, and a two season experiment in the 1960s, rugby league used something closer to a conference system until the 1970s. There was a Lancashire League and Yorkshire League and clubs only played a handful of games against teams in the other league to make up the main league table. Before the formation of BARLA, the top tier of amateur rugby league tended to be things like the Warrington and District League, or the Halifax and Huddersfield League. Even in football the non-league pyramid took a long time to form. There was little promotion and relegation between leagues, and until leagues started to merge in the 1960s there were a lot of local leagues below the Football League, with only the Southern League being at a particularly high standard, and none of them having promotion and relegation between them
  14. They played a season of friendlies the year before joining the league
  15. Dewsbury Celtic seem to have a long history given they’re listed in the Heavy Woollen District League above
  16. South Shields played in the Northern Rugby League division 2 and Wallsend played in the Cumberland League. Werneth had played in the Lancashire second competition but by this point were playing in the reserve league.
  17. They had a league structure in rugby union at the time before rugby league was formed but only in the north. Yorkshire had a 12 team league (the 11 Northern Union founders plus Dewsbury) and did have lower leagues. The bottom two teams in the top league had to apply for re-election and when Morley and Castleford (top two in the Second Competition) had their bid for promotion knocked back they appealed to the RFU. I think the RFU said they'd shut the league down unless they allowed Morley and Castleford in. Lancashire had smaller leagues but some kind of promotion and relegation (based on playoffs like northern union adopted I believe). However, these leagues collapsed quite rapidly after the northern union was founded. I think Lancashire saw more wastage of teams in part because clubs were based in areas too small to support professionalism.
  18. Basically the lower division Yorkshire based clubs were slower to switch to Northern Union than the Lancashire based ones. This is in large part due to the split from rugby union being for different reasons either side of the Pennines. West of the Pennines the split was primarily due to professionalism and there were close ties between elite clubs and those in lower divisions. In Yorkshire a major factor was the top division clubs wanting a closed shop league, whilst the RFU wanted to introduce promotion and relegation. In short there may have been local competitions but there was no second competition that season.
  19. Unlike the Lancashire line ups these aren't final positions. Also I can't vouch for the accuracy of these to the same extent as the Lancashire ones as they're taken from many different sources (in particular the 1899-1900 season) 1898-99 Yorkshire Second Competition (East) Featherstone Goole Hull Kingston Rovers Kinsley Normanton Outwood Parish Church Ripon Rothwell York Yorkshire Second Competition (West) Birstall Bowling Dewsbury Eastmoor Elland Idle Luddendenfoot Morley Todmorden Hull Kingston Rovers were overall champions and defeated Heckmondwike to take their place in the senior competition 1899-1900 Yorkshire Second Competition (East) Alverthorpe Eastmoor Featherstone Goole Kinsley Normanton Ossett Outwood Parish Church Pontefract Rothwell York Yorkshire Second Competition (West) Birstall Dewsbury Elland Hebden Bridge Heckmondwike Idle Kirkstall Luddendenfoot Shipley Sowerby Bridge Todmorden Windhill Normanton were overall champions but lost to Liversedge in the promotion/relegation match 1900-01 Yorkshire Second Competition (East) Alverthorpe Eastmoor Featherstone Goole Kinsley Kirkstall Normanton Ossett Outwood Parish Church Pontefract York York Melbourne Yorkshire Second Competition (West) Bingley Dewsbury (started the season in the East division) Hebden Bridge Heckmondwike Idle Keighley Otley Sowerby Bridge Shipley Todmorden Windhill Birstall (withdrew midseason) Luddendenfoot (withdrew midseason) Elland (failed to start the season) Teams in bold elected to the Yorkshire Senior Competition. I don't know the fate of all these clubs but a single division was formed which ended up named the Yorkshire Senior Competition that lasted for a while as a non-league semi-professional competition
  20. As promised: 1897-98 Lancashire Second Competition Barrow Millom Ulverston Radcliffe Lancaster Barton Birkenhead Wanderers Walkden Altrincham (called up from 3rd competition to replace Dukinfield) Fleetwood Crompton (withdrew midseason) St Helens Recs (withdrew mid-season; this St Helens Recs is not the same club as the later one) Lancashire Third Competition Werneth Leigh Shamrocks Whitworth Rochdale Rangers Warrington St Mary's Mossley (withdrew mid-season) Boothstown (withdrew mid-season) Blackley Rangers (failed to start the season) Cheetham Hill (failed to start the season) Morecambe defeated Barrow to retained their Senior Competition status 1898-99 Lancashire Second Competition Millom Barrow Lancaster Ulverston Altrincham Radcliffe Birkenhead Wanderers Fleetwood Blackpool Barton (withdrew mid-season) Walkden (withdrew mid-season) Millom defeated Morecambe to take their place in the senior competition 1899-1900 Lancashire Second Competition Barrow Werneth Morecambe Birkenhead Wanderers Whitworth Altrincham Lancaster Fleetwood Radcliffe Ulverston Dalton Barrow defeated Tyldesley to take their place in the senior competition 1900-01 Lancashire Second Competition Morecambe Birkenhead Wanderers Lancaster Altrincham Radcliffe Werneth Whitworth Tyldesley Leigh Shamrocks Fleetwood (withdrew mid-season) Teams in bold were elected to the Lancashire Senior Competition. Werneth joined the Lancashire Combination (reserve league). Leigh Shamrocks joined the Central Lancashire League. Whitworth and Tyldesley folded
  21. Leigh missed an extra season after WW2 because they lost their ground and nearly folded. Both Bradford and Hunslet have folded midseason and then rebounded
  22. It will have to wait til the New Years Eve or New Years Day but I can let you know this in full when I get home. I've got information for Yorkshire when I get home but one of the seasons is a little sketchy.Lancashire had a second competition (and one off third competition) with a playoff for promotion to the senior competition. Yorkshire had two second competitions (west and east) with the winners playing off for the right to challenge the bottom team in the senior competition. After the second competitions were abolished there was a semi-pro Yorkshire Senior Competition from which teams could apply for promotion (ie Pontefract, Castleford and Featherstone Rovers). Lancashire semi-pro clubs outside the senior leagues played against reserve teams (Wigan Highfield started there). I have no information on these leagues
  23. West London Sharks (just called West London for the first season) were a joint side in the summer of Brent-Ealing and London Colonials. But London Colonials kept a winter side for a couple more seasons
  24. Which book's this out of interest?
  25. As for clubs' locations: The clubs that never started the season: Dukinfield (Tameside; then Cheshire) Boothstown (Salford) Mossley (Tameside; then Cheshire) And the clubs that went mid first season Crompton (Oldham) St Helens Recs Blackley Rangers (Manchester) Cheetham Hill (Manchester) Third competition went after one season but Werneth (who returned) were Oldham based Barton and Walkden were other Salford clubs. Whitworth were the only east Lancashire side, albeit based just outside Rochdale Looking at that there were two Manchester semi-pro clubs in the third division who folded mid way through their first season and lots of extra Salford, Oldham and Cheshire sides (and in fact Leigh had 3 semi-pro clubs!)
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