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SINGE

Member Since 29 Oct 2006
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#3100654 Proposed Letter to CH requesting a meeting - see Rugby Oldham thread for back...

Posted by SINGE on 04 April 2015 - 06:01 PM

 

Public meetings have not worked in the past. When was the last public meeting that CH had regarding Oldham Rugby.

You have suggested an agenda not set it.

He owns the club lock stock and barrel and he will determine what information he gives or how he answers questions.

Answering to a small number of people he can control it to a large number in a properly chaired meeting he would not be able to do that.

He has never given information to any of the previous directors all of whom had a financial interest in the club so I cannot see a small number of supporters having any more success.

I am not having a rant at CH just stating facts based on his tenure as a director ( and at times the only one ) of the club).

What we need to know is who the club owes money to.

What part of them constitute directors loans and are they any due to previous directors.

Are there any outstanding HMRC debts ( as he is an accountant he should ring fence these. )

Why don't you ask all the fans to email you with a question they would like information on and prepare your discussions accordingly.

That way you address every ones concerns

As I say I wish you the best of luck and hope you do get the information you and the fans are asking for.

THe problem is Harry, you will never get CH within a country mile of a big meeting, properly chaired or not.
The fact is he has opened the door to a small group. This really is a monumentous step by CH and the opportunity must not be lost. The only way he, or most people truth be told, would agree is by taking small steps and moving steadily forward until agreement can be reached.
We ( even CH) share the same desired outcome, so if it takes a little longer to get there so be it.

He's not going to spill the beans at the first meeting, that will be about building trust.
He's going to give snippets, possibly even somethings that are false, to see what leaks out, to see how much trust he can place in the Fantastic Four.

You cannot failed to be pleased that he has repsonded so positively and so quickly. This way might just work best for everyone.


#3092359 Rugby League needs to help

Posted by SINGE on 20 March 2015 - 10:27 PM

Nonsense. I'm certainly not slagging anyone off. My point is you seem good at talking the talk but until you actually do something then that's all it is, talk. We've got a tidy squad that's coming together nicely and that's what's important to me. If you don't want to come then don't. But don't tell me you can run the club, show me!

Not slagging off? You remarked how astounded you were at my naivety for a start.

I make no claims I could run the club, I  certainly could not living as far away as I do.

But that does not mean I cannot offer suggestions (and I have suggested rather than just slag off)  and criticise what is patently obvious.

All I have could be done by the community with engagement. And therein lies the problem.

And the plans have already been done, we have seen them.

 

If we need to sign one less player, become slightly less competitive to pay the bills on time, to afford a planning submission that is what we must do.

Grants will obtain a lot of the funds.

 

Where is the fund for a new stadium, where is the work with Rugby Oldham. Where is the simple click and donate on the website, advert in the programme, appeal via the Chron, shaking off the buckets at every game, the totaliser board for a stadium fund.

Are you telling me that could not have happened for the past 5 years and NOT generated £5,000 for the planning application?

Where is the appeal for builders, tradesmen, painter and decorators, enthusiastic DIYers all wanting to help, providing some basic material  all donating time if not money, even for a few minutes time with the heroes of the field.

Engagement. Virtual and Real. All can be done effectively on a budget of £0.  at our level.

 

I've never met him, or spoken with anyone that has, but I suggest CH is a micro manager dealing with everything himself. I  believe he thinks he is the only one able to do everything right. And every organisation needs someone as organised as him to get things moving. His Accountancy background makes him ideal for various aspects.

But if he stood back and let others do some of the jobs he is less keen on or less able, and checked on them periodically then he would have less of a strain on him and those tasks could be concentrated on and done well.

The could be done by a retired person, a volunteer. But he would have to leave them to get on with it somewhat and held back from pointing out every little mistake  then it would still get done leaving him to concentrate what he is better at. 

He can't do everything himself, even if he feels he has done so far.




#3091582 Rugby League needs to help

Posted by SINGE on 19 March 2015 - 07:32 PM

With regards to developing Whitebank, the last official word (how many years ago) was that the ownership problems were not resolved. Did they ever get solved? Is it Plannig Permissions or finance or ownership that is the issue. A bit of honesty would go a long way.


#3068677 Leigh 11 Roughyeds 10

Posted by SINGE on 08 February 2015 - 04:54 PM

Excellent scoreline, Leigh Reserves or not.

Att 1,021




#3010526 Friday deadline!

Posted by SINGE on 09 October 2014 - 01:48 PM

There seems to be numerous posts about Latics being "given" money by OMBC, or "Bank of Mum and Dad".

This was not the case.

OAFC, well, the three owners at the time, bought the land (partly from OMBC themselves) on the proviso that it could be redeveloped, not just the stadium.

They gave assurances it could be redeveloped.

It turned out that that OMBC had not done their due diligence and covenants prevented development.

Therefore, in order to avoid a [more] costly legal case, OMBC paid for the stand redevelopment and the money that Latics had already paid OMBC.

So apart form the ost of duff advice, there was less cost to Oldham taxpayers.

None of which is linked to OMBC shafting Roughyeds seemingly twice. (‘Sheddings and Whitebank it seems.) Though the due diligence by Mr H in the case of Whitebank raises questions. That may be answered, we do not know.

So this anti Latics sentiment, to me had no basis, just an easy thinkl to do.

Personally, Latics and Roughyeds at Boundary Park, with Roughyeds having their own stand and a reasonable deal for extras seems would be excellent.

Also re catering, as that is my knowledge, the deal means that the catering co absorbs initial profits, but also losses, and excess profits are shared. So it has to be busy for Latics to make money on catering, and something Roughyeds are unlikely to be able to exceed for some time.

With regards to programme revenue etc we do not know, but one would hope that would be all Roughyeds and the rental costs were toward the stadium.

And we do not know the relationship between Corney and Hamilton, but there are far too many stories of bridges burnt to not have any substance.

 

 

I have no axe to grind with Mr H, and want him to succeeed as a reward for his hard work. But I would also like him to let others help. I know plenty of that type of charachter and they cannot let go and give the impression that only they know best.




#3007734 Friday deadline!

Posted by SINGE on 05 October 2014 - 10:29 AM

 

Oldham already have 2 rents / landlords oldham council and company who own bottom third of ground

Oldham council have invested a lot money into Whitebank and I sure they have oldham rugby tied into a long lease which will also tie in to a lease with owners of the bottom third of pitch

So people who complain that old council owe oldham rugby need to wake up and see that the council have invested a lot of money into oldham rugby over the last 10 years

Got to question why oldham rugby can't just go and play at boundary park is it cos they owe money to the landlord

All questions point back to one person who is taking a massive wage out of funds issued from the RFL

Isn't it time the RFL looked at the issue of paying for CEO's, and the value that brings. There seems to be no accountability.


#2994530 Hunslet away fri night

Posted by SINGE on 13 September 2014 - 09:24 AM

What an epic win. Counts for nothing till we win in the final, as we all only too well, but a few ghosts buried and proved what can be achieved.


#2971516 Roughyeds 38-28 Skolars

Posted by SINGE on 04 August 2014 - 09:06 PM

 

A man puts in opinions on here ,his honest opinions and he is the reason why people no longer post on here.
WRONG! This forum is now a little private members club and should the usual end of season outcome happen It will
become smaller as will the average attendances.If you are happy with that fine.I will not be happy till this team are top of 
the superleauge and regulars at wembley and full of internationals.

 I am generally a positive chap, but you will have a miserable life!! That won't happen in my lifetime I'll wager. Not to say I don't want it to happen, but my expectations are so low that sharks feed on them,


#2970680 Roughyeds 38-28 Skolars

Posted by SINGE on 03 August 2014 - 08:26 PM

Whilst we would love to put a goof 50 past every team and help the PD, that's two games on the trot we have grapsed victory from trouble at the last few mins of the game. That is a good trait to have. The heavy defeats may indicate that it might be another season as brides maid. BUT, it is all about peaking at the Grand Final, as we know only too well. A bit of luck, maybe an inpsired loanee, it could just turn to us for once. Never give up hope.


#2966512 v Hunslet

Posted by SINGE on 27 July 2014 - 04:09 PM

YYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDS

Josh Crawey 78th min try

24-23

From doom, despair and despondency to utter delight.




#2892852 South Wales v Oldham

Posted by SINGE on 04 March 2014 - 02:49 PM

Roughyeds have been awarded the win.

Credit to South Wales, and to Mike for supporting the decision. Tremendous sporting decision, especially as the opportunity for the extra point meant plenty to play for, if not the result.

(And to JohnnyG for the scooop)

http://www.bbc.co.uk...league/26437025




#2883095 Roughyeds fans trust

Posted by SINGE on 18 February 2014 - 03:43 PM

I'd appreciate the option of various levels. For example, living where I live, the season ticket if not an option, but would possibly contribute for reduced options. Say Bronze, Silver, Gold membership.