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Middleton Bull

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#3107504 National Rugby Football League - professional rugby union league

Posted by Middleton Bull on 17 April 2015 - 04:44 PM

It is odd that some people think a rival would not do everything they can to flourish and compete, the whole ideal of upholding the Corinthian Spirit of sport is sweet but in the modern world of competitive sport is somewhat outdated.


For decades RL fans were demanding that RU go openly professional, now that we have and are competing as a professional organisation they complain because we are rather good at it.


I think there is a common misconception on here that RU is trying to attack RL; quite the opposite, it is working to promote itself.

Nobody in Rugby was ever demanding that union go openly professional.  It was always openly professional................ unless you had a connection with Rugby.  Rugby might have demanded that union go "honestly" professional.  See the difference?


Nobody in Rugby is now complaining  about union's "honest" professionalism.  What people in Rugby do complain about is union's devious, underhand and distasteful acts to undermine Rugby.  It was ever thus, even before "honest" professionalism. 


Rugby has always been the underdog because it has never had the support of the establishment, the sycophantic media and the vast wealth enjoyed by union.  Arrogant posts like yours, riding on the back of union's privileged position, just reinforce the fact that the Corinthian spirit, to which you refer, is dead in union.  Moreover, it never existed.  How can a sport built on arrogance and prejudice ever aspire to Corinthian values? :ph34r:

#3106191 Jason Robinson - Sporting Heroes

Posted by Middleton Bull on 14 April 2015 - 08:13 PM

Yosser, I defended Carney. Kimmage is a great writer and I agree with him whole heartedly. He's the best presenter on RL. What's lacking beside him are the big names...the players that the average joe at home will recognise and want to listen to. Robinson and Offiah both have that pull.

Robinson is very articulate and i couldn't see him being anything but a success. Offiah has done analysis on talksport and is decent....reminds me of Ian Wright and his football punditry. Would you not call Phil Clarke truly awful?

It would be pointless - he wouldn't answer to that.  I'd stick with Phil Clarke, or just "Phil". :tongue:

#3105498 Jason Robinson - Sporting Heroes

Posted by Middleton Bull on 13 April 2015 - 11:37 AM

This was a programme profiling Jason Robinson's career with interviews with the man himself, Andy Farrell and the inventor of Rugby, Clive Woodward.  Reasonable programme, although it dwelt too much on the ponderous code for my liking. 


A couple of things that were said though surprised me.  Firstly, Jason interviewed towards the end of his career said that he did not know the rules of union so he could never become a coach - then he became one at Sale! Quite extraordinary and damning that the world's greatest ever union player doesn't know the rules because they are too complicated :ph34r:


He then went on to say that he had a great love for Sale Cuckoo's (he didn't say the same thing about Wigan BTW :() but that he would never go back there because of the way he was sacked as coach.  Apparently, he just received a phone call one evening saying don't bother turning up tomorrow.  That for me sums up the attitude of the people involved in Sale's administration - if they can treat their greatest ever player in such a callous and derisory manner just imagine what they could do to another organisation.......................................................................................................such as Salford! 

#3105093 Burgess Watch......

Posted by Middleton Bull on 12 April 2015 - 04:35 PM

The latest incarnation of "it was on in Dixon's window" or "A Pub I was in was showing" :tongue:




Who are "they" who say these things?

Possibly the same "they" who say union is a constant flowing game :tongue:

#3102322 My bbc paranoia

Posted by Middleton Bull on 07 April 2015 - 07:42 PM

What argument is there to grant RL more national coverage?

*awaits info so I can send it to the Gaelic association offices here*

Regards the team of the year in 2006...that Ryder Cup team was an absolute shoe in to receive the award.

Darren Clarke playing 6 weeks after the death of his wife, winning all 3 of his matches..it's one of the best sports events I've ever seen. Clarke ended up runner up for the individual award. That they didn't win was a farce in my opinion.

This is not to take away from any RL team, and theirs isnt any lesser of an achievement. It's just golf is far more popular, more people were gripped by the Ryder Cup in what was one of the best ever.

Just a few points in response to yet another one of your crass posts DC.

  • The SPOTY award is not the "Sympathy Vote of the Year" award.  How many of that St. Helens team were also touched by personal loss in the 2006 season?  Do you know?  Would it make any difference to the award?  Of course not.
  • This popularity you refer to did not translate into PUBLIC VOTES!!!!  2006 was the year that the award was given by public vote.  How is that a farce?  Obviously, the great British public thought St. Helens deserved it.  The BRUBC didn't, which is why they changed the voting rules the following year so that it could never happen again
  • St Helens won the "team" award.  It is debateable how much a group of millionaire individuals who come together once every two or four years to play "individual" rounds of golf can be called a team.  Particularly when compared to true team sports such as soccer, Rugby and, yes, even union.
  • As CHC says, if only the most popular sport is allowed to win then it should be renamed the Soccer Awards of the Year.  Golf wouldn't get a look in.

#3102250 My bbc paranoia

Posted by Middleton Bull on 07 April 2015 - 05:15 PM

Why should RL be treated any differently to other regional sports such as Gaelic football? I have never heard a GAA person (the sports admin) complain about lack of national coverage. Last time I checked the six counties of NI was in the UK, and it's biggest attended sports event has never (to my knowledge) appeared in a national news broadcast.

I know for a fact RL is well covered in regional news in the Granada/Yorkshire region, as is Gaelic here with UTV/BBC NI. Until such time the sport is deemed of interest to the rest of the UK, the sport will not receive much UK wide coverage. It's myopic to think otherwise. Its up to RL to spread its sport, not for the media to do their job for them. The media will report on it if the interest is there.

I think the REAL gripe on here is that RU has greater national coverage. it is a no brainer, until RL has a footprint outside the two counties along the M62, do not expect any increase in national coverage. The media doesn't owe RL anything for whatever skullduggery went on with RU towards RL in the past.

RL headquarters in Leeds, all it's pro teams along the M62, no national stadium. Add in the lack of a proper international game...why the hell should somebody in Kent have RL news given to them when it's not of national interest? I dont expect them to get Gaelic results. Why does a local news event (car robbed in some street) not get nationwide coverage? Same applies to local sports results...yes it's important to that region, not outside it.

Futtocks, various media set the agenda on issues deemed relevant to its readers/viewers, especially in regard to politics which impacts everyone.

That is a great post DC as an example of how to completely ignore the facts and what everyone else is saying and just carry on regardless with your own little mantra.  Well done. ;)

#3101118 Does Liking One Code Stop You Enjoying The Other?

Posted by Middleton Bull on 05 April 2015 - 08:10 PM

crowd of 5000? never. the stand's empty  :tongue:

Yes, although they split in 1895, they didn't stop using the union calculator until 1921 ;)

#3098562 Does Liking One Code Stop You Enjoying The Other?

Posted by Middleton Bull on 01 April 2015 - 05:15 PM

I'm in the same boat. Do not have an ounce of interest in club games in Union (the only club game ive ever watched was the Heinekin Cup Final, and that was only when O'Driscoll's Leinster were involved). The club game lacks the "event" status that the international game has so there is very little pull for the casual fan such as me. I've easily seen more club RL games than RU...especially Grand finals.

This is definitely what is lacking in English RL...I say English as the vids I've seen on Aussie RL are hugely impressive. I have no doubt I'd be sucked in if I was living in Aus...the Tina Turner promos which kicked off the 'razzmatazz' era show the ambition the sport has there. The merchandise, the community programmes, the sense of "us vs them" with the major rivalries, the way the game is promoted is fantastic....its very much Premier League level here. Even the trophy which features "the gladiators" is an iconic image. There are constant stories, images, colours (flags, scarves etc) the NRL has that doesn't seem to be the case in Superleague. Perhaps the lopsided profile the sport has in Australia in comparison to England is the reason for this so I'm not criticising those in English RL when they may not have the means to do more.

That's all very well DC but don't you find it all just a little bit too stop start? :)

#3097046 The engima that is Saracens

Posted by Middleton Bull on 29 March 2015 - 04:47 PM

I've been listening to Tommy by The Who a lot this weekend and you have given me the idea for a rock opera with a similar theme. Hordes of unthinking disciples flock to see this new messiah kick over endless penalties despite being deaf dumb and blind.

I expect Lloyd Webber to be on board and it will be in the west end before you know it. It's a winner.

We'll go halvie's on the royalties :)

#3096848 The engima that is Saracens

Posted by Middleton Bull on 29 March 2015 - 10:21 AM

I must applaud Saracens for yet another magnificent crowd for a bog standard league game “non-event” and I know it is probably just me but I find this all a little unnerving and eerie.  Whilst I wish Rugby could achieve similar crowd levels, it does leave me wondering who all these compliant mass hordes of people are who feel so compelled to turn up at these “non-events”, only to disappear into the ether until the next big “non-event”.


It has an Orwellian 1984 feeling about it.  Some union overlord proclaims a completely standard league game, which usually attracts 5000 people, as an “event”, and suddenly tens of thousands of southerners feel compelled to turn up, each with a serene smile masking some inner turmoil.  Each of them somehow innately respectful of the silence for the deity that is the penalty goal attempt.  Most of them with not one inkling of, or care for, the subtleties and nuances that make the spectacle before them so ponderous.  They have attended the rugger and that is all that matters.


Is this an RFU experiment?  What is the trigger word?  Will they use this power to harness these flash mob mass hordes, at a moment’s notice, to fulfil some more sinister objective in the future? :ph34r:


Be very wary and stay well away from any future union “non-event” :scared:

#3095090 Does Liking One Code Stop You Enjoying The Other?

Posted by Middleton Bull on 25 March 2015 - 08:46 PM

Its not "'Stephen Jones at the Rec' tales spoon-fed" to me. Hadn't heard of him until last week. Regards Telfer, I only heard of him though that speech he gave to the Lions forwards in the South Africa tour. Don't read ANY RU material and don't frequent RU clubs.

I'm as neutral as a RU follower can be (with inherent bias as we all are). Anything I've stated here is through personal observation on what takes place on the field.

The stop start feeling that I get with RL is unrelated to the RU stereotyping being brought up here. Im unaware of what RU folk think about RL. I will say this though, that there are other followers of RU like me who can't enjoy RL due to the PTB routine does not surprise me. It also doesn't surprise me that there are RL followers who can't enjoy RU to the same extent as RU followers due to the scrums, line outs and general lack of back play (I was in the same boat..until the weekend).

I don't think anyone here is trying to say that we don't believe, or even understand, your perception about the stop start feeling you personally get from Rugby.  What folk have picked you up on is your factually and utterly incorrect comment that the ball is dead at every tackle, i.e. about 600 times per game,  That is just simply and irrefutably wrong.

#3094808 Does Liking One Code Stop You Enjoying The Other?

Posted by Middleton Bull on 25 March 2015 - 12:44 PM

I suppose going back to the original question and for me personally, as a RL fan, it is extremely difficult to enjoy the sport of another organisation which is populated by individuals who have been, and continue to be, intent on destroying the sport you love, irrespective of the quality of their sport.  It is called bitterness and I am guilty as charged. ;)


It would be like enjoying the company of the local bully, who might be quite genial one to one, but he spends his spare time throwing bricks through your granny's windows. :ph34r:

#3093765 Does Liking One Code Stop You Enjoying The Other?

Posted by Middleton Bull on 23 March 2015 - 03:03 PM

There was a ban on people watching RL? 


It's now 20 years since RU went professional. Is there a shelf life on that excuse (50 years? 100 years?) or will it be used indefinitely whenever anyone mentions that some people prefer RU?

Actually, if the RFU found out that you had attended a game of Rugby they would probably ban you, yes.  The other issue, of course, was the actions by the RFU in co-hoots with the media, to thwart Rugby's spread, which is extremely relevant.


On the shelf life for this reasoning, it is indefinite, or as long as the media (supported by union) continues its campaign of ignorance and derision against Rugby

#3093759 Record breakers

Posted by Middleton Bull on 23 March 2015 - 02:56 PM


Great to hear as we build towards the RWC later this year.


Only 9m with the full backing, support and resources of the BRUBC propaganda machine?  A veritable failure ;)  

#3093412 Well you said you wanted tries...

Posted by Middleton Bull on 22 March 2015 - 08:41 PM

Very similar to what I was going to say:


I remember in the early days of SuperRugby when NH union pundits dismissed high scoring games of rugby as being "like basketball"  and the 'oft spouted NH union mantra of "tries aren't important". Important or not, it seems from the reactions over the last 24 hours or so  that NH union fans do actually want to see tries - perhaps they should start watching SuperRugby:

Imitation and flattery indeed :)