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Middleton Bull

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Posted by Middleton Bull on 24 January 2015 - 10:22 PM

Just because they were into it it doesn't mean there was Irish representation. The Irish media haven't bought into it. The Irish fans haven't bought into it? What's the point of sticking with such a bad idea?


Instead of turning the RLWC into a farce, the RFL and the RLIF should have worked together on temporarily professionalizing the Irish/Scottish/Italian players by having each SL club have 1-2 of them in their roster which should have considerably lifted their level and potentially led to some of them getting "real" pro contracts with some clubs, and using some heritage players to plug some gaps here and there instead of doing ***k all to develop Ireland's RL and then dressing some Aussies in green for the WC.

Just as the thread was getting back on a somewhat even keel back comes Baldrick with his "farce" comment, which disrupted this thread in the first place.   Why are some union fans like that?

#3059760 Union not that much different to League

Posted by Middleton Bull on 23 January 2015 - 05:48 PM

What does "Rugby is Rugby" even mean?  You clearly think I'm stupid, conceited and egotistical.  I thought I knew what you meant by this phrase but I'm now lost.



Stop being fatuous, Jeffrey.



I honestly don't care.  I just want to be able to comment on posts on this forum without being bored by the rubbish people insist on writing.



Honestly, I'm bored of this now.  You wanted your rise, here it is.  You disagreed with me on the other thread but you can't articulate why I'm wrong so now you follow me here.  If I was full of it, I would say I was flattered but flattery isn't your intention.  I have AN opinion of myself and I have AN opinion of you.  I'm trying to suggest in the nicest possible terms that if you don't have anything to say, you shouldn't say anything at all.  Instead, you're getting all high and mighty.  It's tiresome, you ought to stop now.

You seemed to understand my reference to "rugby means rugby" at #15.  In fact, you seemed to take quite a lot of offence at my comment.   I also see that you are still telling me what to do and, btw, you didn't actually suggest it  in the "nicest possible terms"  previously.  I do have things to say and I say them - by all means argue / debate a point but please refrain from telling me what I can and cannot post.  I hope that wasn't too high and mighty of me. ;)

#3059334 They "borrowed" the name Rugby World Cup, guess what name is now in t...

Posted by Middleton Bull on 22 January 2015 - 08:31 PM

I see they changed the Heineken to Champions Cup....ala Champions League

Their Rugby championship is also called the Premiership.....

What next corner flags?....followed by 11 a side, no handling the ball...

I think it is only a matter of time before some young urchin on the playing fields of a public school displays a flagrant disregard for the rules and passes the ball.  .

#3058669 Burgess Watch......

Posted by Middleton Bull on 21 January 2015 - 05:56 PM

Quote - "England attack coach Andy Farrell, who also cut his teeth in league, said: “We’re really pleased with his progress."

I think Farrell did a little more than "cut his teeth in League".!!!!  These union journalists are quite unbelievable.  He makes it sound like Farrell had maybe a season or two as a youngster in League before moving to union.  :ph34r:  ;)  :ohmy:

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Posted by Middleton Bull on 20 January 2015 - 08:45 PM

The last RLWC had a team of Australians sponsored by some pub in Sydney masquerading as Italy.

The last RLWC had a team of Australians with a couple of Americans masquerading as USA.

The weaker teams were hidden away in their own groups.

It failed to sellout the semi final double header despite the dirt cheap tickets.

It had a bunch of matches in small stadiums with crowds numbering a few thousands.

The BBC only broadcasted it because it was forced by law. None of of the major sports channels in the UK were interesting in broadcasting it and they had to settle on showing it on a tiny channel.


You or I enjoying it doesn't make the last RLWC non farcical. If sponsors had thought it was such a great competition they would have fallen over themselves to get involved.

I see you have emerged from beneath your rock again Baldrick.  The 2013 Rugby world Cup was an outstanding tournament and an outstanding success.  The only farce is that it has not been capitalised upon since then.  The other farce is your continued claim to be a Rugby fan. 


We all know that Rugby is nowhere near as big as onion internationally but the 2013 comp was a step in the right direction to engage smaller nations and showcase the elite nations, which it did extremely well.  The reasons for and arguments why Rugby is not as big as onion internationally have been rehearsed many, many, times on this forum and is, in no small part, due to onion's historic and continued attempts to destroy the handling code.  Rugby is condemned by trolls like yourself when it fails to expand internationally and it is condemned again when it makes superlative efforts, as per 2013, to promote the international game.  Once again, can I request that you, as a Rugby fan :tongue:, just once  provide a positive comment about Rugby rather than denigrating it in the style of the lovechild of Stephen Jones.  When you have finally provided that positive comment can you then do us all a favour Baldrick and disappear up your own Planet Rugby (sic) arris. 


Finally, can I just say that we in Rugby are not afraid to criticise our sport when we get it wrong - as per the 2000 comp.  But, when we get it right, as per the 2013 comp, insulting comments from trolls like yourself do stick in the craw.

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Posted by Middleton Bull on 20 January 2015 - 05:42 PM

Perhaps more companies would be willing to associate with our world cup it it weren't such a farcical competition.

I see you are still sticking with your "cunning plan" Baldrick :tongue:.  I'm still waiting for your first positive comment on your chosen sport of Rugby.


The 2013 Rugby World Cup was a fantastic event and thoroughly enjoyed by true Rugby fans and many impartial non-biased viewers.  I think with your latest comment you have finally shot your bolt and you should jog on back underneath the rock from which you crawled. ;)

#3056368 Some interesting ideas from Union

Posted by Middleton Bull on 16 January 2015 - 04:50 PM

Quite possibly. I also expect that there were other ways in which RL found it's path blocked too, but the press isn't one of them in my opinion.

Quite possibly?  Not definitely? 


Don't you think that those bans by the armed forces and higher education establishments, combined with the press campaign of pretty much ignoring Rugby unless they could say something negative, combined with union's ban on their own players should they have anything to do with Rugby, no matter how tenuous, etc., etc., might have had an enormous impact on Rugby's ability to spread its gospel.  Surely you, as a RL fan, can see that the aforementioned despicable acts / attitudes towards Rugby would give union a massively unfair advantage?

#3056137 Some interesting ideas from Union

Posted by Middleton Bull on 15 January 2015 - 10:21 PM

The ABC claim the Telegraph is on 500k a day readers, the Times 400k.....Do you honestly believe that ANY of these readers care for Rugby League? Do you think there not being any coverage is somehow influencing these people not to watch Rugby League?  How is printing a match report about a sport that their readers probably played at boarding school and University, a match that may even feature their old school chums is "giving anyone a leg up"


Nobody, not one person ever read a match report in a newspaper and said to themselves, "I think i'll nip down to the stoop next week and give that a whirl"


Tarquin Farquith-Hyphernate Junior (squab to his friends) attending Harrow and playing Ruggah for the u11's through to the U18's 3rds, in between being buggered by 'sir' before going down to Oxford to read 'the arts" before getting a job at Goldman Sachs and and from the age of 23 earning more in a year than we do in a lifetime isn't conducive to wanting to watch Castleford take on Featherstone at Post office Road along with a bunch of hard working blue collar types. The only time Tarquin wants to mix with this type is when they are beating for his fathers pheasant drive on the estate they have had in their family since william eyeballed harold! The ###### Times not publishing a match report on RL has SF all to do with RL not being a national sport......the blame for that lies squarely at the feet of RL, it's fans, clubs and governing bodies....... 

Do you think that the armed forces ban and the ban in higher education establishments might have had any bearing on the ability of Rugby to spread its gospel?

#3055853 Some interesting ideas from Union

Posted by Middleton Bull on 15 January 2015 - 10:50 AM

I fully agree that the RFU does come across as very professional in its approach to marketing, promotion and propaganda.  It has, though, from its inception, and particularly since it moved from shamateurism to honest professionalism, been in the wonderful position of having robust establishment connections at the highest level, fawning sycophantic media support, pushing at open doors, huge wealth and rich sugar daddy club owners to elevate the sport to its current position.  Any business with that level of advantage and resource would / could perform similarly, including the RFL. 


The fact that the RFU achieved all this whilst being allowed to continue its bigotry and outright hostility towards another quite independent sport for over a century makes the aforementioned advantages quite difficult to stomach.  The RFU is the “Dick Dastardly of sport”.  Remember, the bans on playing RL in the armed forces and in higher education establishments were directly attributable to the RFU and possibly did more damage than anything else in preventing the spread of the handling code.  These bans, both very much to the advantage of the ponderous code, were only overturned a relatively few short years ago.


Whilst the RFL undoubtedly could and should have done more to promote and expand the game, in the face of outright and prolonged hostility from such an aggressive and powerful competitor it is actually quite an achievement that RL exists at all.  It is testament to the people of RL that we have survived and, to some extent, prospered in such an environment.  Other less determined organisations might not have fared so well.


I know it is clutching at straws but at least we have a wonderful history of which we can be extremely proud.  Conversely, union has a despicable history of which it should be deeply ashamed.

#3055565 Some interesting ideas from Union

Posted by Middleton Bull on 14 January 2015 - 01:49 PM

They had to ditch amatuerism - there were so many factors not in their favour for stayin with the status quo :

Just to begin with -

The Taxman

Southern Hemisphere professionalism

Super League on the horizon

Sport England funding

Human Rights law?

Fully agree except as we all know, they were never amateur in the first place - just shamateur.

#3054563 Burgess Watch......

Posted by Middleton Bull on 11 January 2015 - 04:16 PM

Howard Devoto.  I posted it for Johnoco really but at least Longboard got it.

Thanks - now I get it. 


The only names I know at Baaarf are Burgess, Eastmond and Ford - oh, and the coach Mike Ford.  For some reason, none of the other names seem to register.

#3053891 Wasps To Coventry

Posted by Middleton Bull on 09 January 2015 - 05:58 PM

that's because they like to see running and handling rugby. It's an invasion sport thing. Rugby League is more complex than union since more is left to the derring do, initiative, and imagination of the players since it is less rigidly structured. Chess is a good analogy with rugby league. The rules are simple but the way the game is played is complex. Also the ball is out of play for more than half the eighty minutes of a union game,  so there is even less time for players to express themselves

There are other reasons why those who prefer rugby league prefer it but you get the idea. That is why your comments about so called 'proper rugby' are as pathetic as another poster saying that people who enjoyed a particular union game needed their heads examined.


If you like your sport for whatever reason nobody can justifiably criticise you for it. But as this is a 'cross code' forum and therefore comparisons in whatever form are as inevitable as they are justified. I watch union games from time to time either at my local union club with my friends, or on tv. I am rarely if ever stimulated intellectually, dramatically, or emotionally by them and have the right to say why, this doesn't mean that I don't respect or understand why others do derive pleasure from the sport.

Absolutely bang on with that analogy l'angelo.  Unfortunately, it seems to have upset some of our union cousins who have long used that analogy to define their game in order to somehow prove superiority over Rugby from their self-made pedestals of pomposity.  The only drawback is that the analogy will continue to be used by all those unenlightened union fans and their sycophantic media to describe their ponderous game.  The best that we can hope for is that from this day forward our newly enlightened union cousins go forth and spread the gospel about the true game of Rugby that has the complexities of chess.  Go for it Tiny :tongue:

#3052973 Wasps To Coventry

Posted by Middleton Bull on 07 January 2015 - 06:02 PM

Only for those who don't want to accept that RU fans choose RU because they prefer it.

Prefer it to what?


Whilst union fans may prefer their sport to some other things, many of them are completely ignorant of RL, either deliberately or passively.  By contrast, most RL fans are fully aware of union as it is rammed down our throats by the media ad nauseam. So, I would suggest that, in choosing between the two codes, most RL fans do actually prefer their sport to union but many union fans can't even begin to compare the two sports due to their utter ignorance of Rugby. 


You, for example, have previously informed this forum that you are pretty much ignorant about RL as you have watched very little, if any, throughout your lifetime.  Your opinion of RL is therefore built on tired old prejudices gleaned from the media and other sources, rather than from first hand experience.  In your particular case, therefore, I would venture that you do not actually prefer union because you have never really sampled Rugby in order to be in a position to compare and contrast :ph34r: . 

#3052816 Union does something right

Posted by Middleton Bull on 07 January 2015 - 12:20 PM

Depends on whether we allow the green crayon outrage brigade to adjudicate.


#3051524 Still got rugby in it.

Posted by Middleton Bull on 03 January 2015 - 06:14 PM

True, saying something that irritates me isn't necessarily dragging the conversation to the lowest level, but deliberately making flawed arguments, lying and posting half truths does exactly that.

Also, I am bald but my name isn't Rick.



Again, union clubs/nations employing a handful of league coaches doesn't mean only league coaches can provide a deeper insight into the subtleties and nuances of the game, but lying is your favorite thing here, so I'm sure that's not going to stop you from repeating what is obviously bull5#!7

Keep your hair on Baldrick! - Oh, sorry, you don't have any.


My argument isn't flawed Baldrick and I am not lying.  Remember, you are the liar in your pretence to be a RL fan - hence the name Baldrick and your cunning plan. ;)


If, as you say, union coaches could provide the same level of insight as League coaches why would union bother at all with some untried and untested ex- Leaguie?  Union obviously sees something extra that these coaches can bring.  See Shaun Mc's post above if you don't believe me.   


Once again, can you please explain why you appear to be so ashamed that coaches from your favourite sport of RL are held in such high esteem by another totally independent sport?  You should be really proud, not irritated. B)