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Middleton Bull

Member Since 04 May 2004
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#3098562 Does Liking One Code Stop You Enjoying The Other?

Posted by Middleton Bull on Yesterday, 05:15 PM

I'm in the same boat. Do not have an ounce of interest in club games in Union (the only club game ive ever watched was the Heinekin Cup Final, and that was only when O'Driscoll's Leinster were involved). The club game lacks the "event" status that the international game has so there is very little pull for the casual fan such as me. I've easily seen more club RL games than RU...especially Grand finals.

This is definitely what is lacking in English RL...I say English as the vids I've seen on Aussie RL are hugely impressive. I have no doubt I'd be sucked in if I was living in Aus...the Tina Turner promos which kicked off the 'razzmatazz' era show the ambition the sport has there. The merchandise, the community programmes, the sense of "us vs them" with the major rivalries, the way the game is promoted is fantastic....its very much Premier League level here. Even the trophy which features "the gladiators" is an iconic image. There are constant stories, images, colours (flags, scarves etc) the NRL has that doesn't seem to be the case in Superleague. Perhaps the lopsided profile the sport has in Australia in comparison to England is the reason for this so I'm not criticising those in English RL when they may not have the means to do more.

That's all very well DC but don't you find it all just a little bit too stop start? :)

#3097046 The engima that is Saracens

Posted by Middleton Bull on 29 March 2015 - 04:47 PM

I've been listening to Tommy by The Who a lot this weekend and you have given me the idea for a rock opera with a similar theme. Hordes of unthinking disciples flock to see this new messiah kick over endless penalties despite being deaf dumb and blind.

I expect Lloyd Webber to be on board and it will be in the west end before you know it. It's a winner.

We'll go halvie's on the royalties :)

#3095090 Does Liking One Code Stop You Enjoying The Other?

Posted by Middleton Bull on 25 March 2015 - 08:46 PM

Its not "'Stephen Jones at the Rec' tales spoon-fed" to me. Hadn't heard of him until last week. Regards Telfer, I only heard of him though that speech he gave to the Lions forwards in the South Africa tour. Don't read ANY RU material and don't frequent RU clubs.

I'm as neutral as a RU follower can be (with inherent bias as we all are). Anything I've stated here is through personal observation on what takes place on the field.

The stop start feeling that I get with RL is unrelated to the RU stereotyping being brought up here. Im unaware of what RU folk think about RL. I will say this though, that there are other followers of RU like me who can't enjoy RL due to the PTB routine does not surprise me. It also doesn't surprise me that there are RL followers who can't enjoy RU to the same extent as RU followers due to the scrums, line outs and general lack of back play (I was in the same boat..until the weekend).

I don't think anyone here is trying to say that we don't believe, or even understand, your perception about the stop start feeling you personally get from Rugby.  What folk have picked you up on is your factually and utterly incorrect comment that the ball is dead at every tackle, i.e. about 600 times per game,  That is just simply and irrefutably wrong.

#3094808 Does Liking One Code Stop You Enjoying The Other?

Posted by Middleton Bull on 25 March 2015 - 12:44 PM

I suppose going back to the original question and for me personally, as a RL fan, it is extremely difficult to enjoy the sport of another organisation which is populated by individuals who have been, and continue to be, intent on destroying the sport you love, irrespective of the quality of their sport.  It is called bitterness and I am guilty as charged. ;)


It would be like enjoying the company of the local bully, who might be quite genial one to one, but he spends his spare time throwing bricks through your granny's windows. :ph34r:

#3093765 Does Liking One Code Stop You Enjoying The Other?

Posted by Middleton Bull on 23 March 2015 - 03:03 PM

There was a ban on people watching RL? 


It's now 20 years since RU went professional. Is there a shelf life on that excuse (50 years? 100 years?) or will it be used indefinitely whenever anyone mentions that some people prefer RU?

Actually, if the RFU found out that you had attended a game of Rugby they would probably ban you, yes.  The other issue, of course, was the actions by the RFU in co-hoots with the media, to thwart Rugby's spread, which is extremely relevant.


On the shelf life for this reasoning, it is indefinite, or as long as the media (supported by union) continues its campaign of ignorance and derision against Rugby

#3093759 Record breakers

Posted by Middleton Bull on 23 March 2015 - 02:56 PM


Great to hear as we build towards the RWC later this year.


Only 9m with the full backing, support and resources of the BRUBC propaganda machine?  A veritable failure ;)  

#3093412 Well you said you wanted tries...

Posted by Middleton Bull on 22 March 2015 - 08:41 PM

Very similar to what I was going to say:


I remember in the early days of SuperRugby when NH union pundits dismissed high scoring games of rugby as being "like basketball"  and the 'oft spouted NH union mantra of "tries aren't important". Important or not, it seems from the reactions over the last 24 hours or so  that NH union fans do actually want to see tries - perhaps they should start watching SuperRugby:

Imitation and flattery indeed :)

#3093281 Well you said you wanted tries...

Posted by Middleton Bull on 22 March 2015 - 05:36 PM

I suppose imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. 


I remember in the early days of Superleague when union pundits dismissed high scoring games of RL as being "like basketball"  and the 'oft spouted union mantra of "tries aren't important". Important or not, it seems from the reactions over the last 24 hours or so  that union fans do actually want to see tries - perhaps they should start watching RL:

#3088811 Wales v Ireland

Posted by Middleton Bull on 14 March 2015 - 09:28 PM

I genuinely don't get it...  I really don't.  If some of you are really as anti-union as you come across then WHY do you watch it?  I could think of 1000 better things to do at prime-time Saturday during rugby (league) season than watch something I dislike that much.


Note that I'm explicitly not defending union in this post.


It's like that silly old bat from the 70s and 80s, Mary Whitehouse, who was always going on about the abysmal things she saw on telly.  WELL TURN IT OVER THEN!  It's even easier now with hundreds of TV channels.  Then there's the rugby league season, most people who post on here could easily get to a rugby league game today.  To persist with something you don't like for no monetary reward is about as daft as repeatedly hitting yourself in the nuts with a truncheon.


On the union games today though:


The Wales v Ireland game was just dull, both sides seemed too terrified to use their backs properly or take any risks meaning a deathly dull game.  Well done to Wales though for a few really tough defences where they didn't concede penalties, that must be a new record in union for that many tackles near the try line for that few penalties.


The England v Scotland game was much better, average skills but a lot closer than people gave Scotland credit for before kick-off.  England are just abysmal.  If they were to play NZ now then they'd give the English cricket team some respite from criticism.  For the largest playing population of union in the world they really should be unopposable.  Scotland played well though, a very good side to watch, probably the best union side to watch in the northern hemisphere right now for quality of rugby (sic).

But ckn, I watch it because every day the newspapers and BRUBC are telling me that I am going to witness the pinnacle of sport, an extravaganza and have a wonderful and exhilarating experience.  I now realise just how gullible I have been ;)

#3088800 Wales v Ireland

Posted by Middleton Bull on 14 March 2015 - 08:44 PM

And all the newspaper reviews are saying what a marvellous game it was. Wales try was as straightford as you can get, a centre running through the gap the size of a bus, where the opposing centre obligingly turned his back on him. And Ireland's try was one of those infuriating penalty tries, where the ref decided the defending maul had collapsed the maul on purpose. That was it. The sum total of the excitement. What are we all missing?

That penalty try was a classic example of everything I dislike in union.  An Irish player with ball in hand hiding like a little child behind all of his big mates (forwards) who are basically, blatantly and categorically obstructing their opponents from getting to him.  When said opponents actually do something to stop these blatant obstructer's they are penalised for bringing down the maul.  WTF?????   If they hadn't brought down the maul, the Irish player would simply have just tippy-toed over the try line protected by 7 meatheads.  WTF were Wales supposed to do?  Just a personal view but it is absolutely ludicrous - all obstruction / offside rules are suspended to allow this eyesore to take place! :ph34r:

#3088748 Wales v Ireland

Posted by Middleton Bull on 14 March 2015 - 05:42 PM

Whilst I am on the subject of phases.  Of that mammoth 32 phase session Ireland put in, whilst managing to lose 10 yards in the process, possibly 80% of the tackles would have been deemed surrender tackles in RL and penalised.   The forwards simply pick the ball up at the back of a ruck and then dive at the feet of their opponents to set the ball up for yet another ruck and repeat ad infinitum (or 32 times, which is actually the same number mathematically).   This also means that the defending team are awarded 32 tackles on the stat chart for basically watching some meathead dive at their feet.  Quite ludicrous ;)

#3088345 Will Rugby Union ever have any popularity in the north of England?

Posted by Middleton Bull on 13 March 2015 - 08:32 PM

I have met guys who play RU for local RU clubs but wouldn't dream of going to a match. Mind you, that's probably true for RL too.

Same here.  If I asked any of the players at my local union club here in Manchester to name more than two Sale union players (the nearest club) I think 95% of them would struggle and possibly the same percentage have never been to any elite level union match.

#3086164 Outstanding RU Individual Displays.

Posted by Middleton Bull on 09 March 2015 - 10:07 PM

Manu Tuilagi for England against NZ in 2012 was one of my firm favourites. 

Craig Murdock, Henry Paul, Jason Robinson, Andy Farrell, Martin Offiah, Gary Connolly, Simon Haughton, Neil Cowie, Inga et al  - all for Wigan against Bath at Twickers in 1996 were just some of my firm favourites. :tongue:

#3086005 Aviva prem to scrap P+R?..

Posted by Middleton Bull on 09 March 2015 - 05:47 PM

:rofl:     :tongue:

Tiny Troll's back

#3086003 Eng or Aus to fail.

Posted by Middleton Bull on 09 March 2015 - 05:46 PM

It's disappointing to see folk on here not supporting their national side who will be representing them in the RWC later this year.


And you wonder why people are less than positive about league when this kind of attitude towards a rival sport is so prevalent.

Go on then Tiny, I'll indulge you and give you the response you were trolling for.


The England union team does not represent me.  I am English through and through but I would never support the union team.  It represents the RFU, an organisation populated by bigots which, for the last 120 years, has tried its damndest to destroy a rival sport - my sport of Rugby League, whose national team btw does represent me because I choose to accept that. 


You have displayed, on this very forum, an attitude towards Rugby League that is less than positive and you wonder why people are so set against union when it is populated by people with views such as your own towards a totally independent sport.


There - is that the response you were seeking? ;)