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Not because your traditional shirts and ours used to look the same on b&w tv?

We were a heatbeat away in 1990. If the ref had seen Meninga's obstruction of Gibson we'd have won at Old Trafford in 1990 and with it the series.

Yes it was a great day. I was there the last time we'd beaten them at Odsal in '78. Kevin Ward really was an awesome forward. Even though he played for Cas (at the time) Mike Gregory, what a player, difficult to believe he's no longer with us. Hanley in his pomp. Offiah and Henderson Gill. Hugh Wadell - some player Hughie.

After Fev. Batley. I live nearer Batley than I do Fev. I 've played on Mount Pleasant (a very long time ago) I was there (a long time ago) when some Hull amateur team knocked them out of the JP Cup and felt really sorry for them. Don't get me wrong, they should have beaten an amateur team handily, they played badly but they lost because of some apalling refereeing decisions. I've mellowed a bit towards Leeds these last few years. In their pomp I always admired Widnes. I remember Sorrensen charging at Holding in the 1988 Premiership final, and Holding looking as though if there'd have been a hole he'd have hid in it I always thought that they were very unlucky in the 1989 CC semi against Saints to have a player sent off. I reckon that team would probably have beaten Wigan that year at Wembley. As it was Saints put up a very poor show in the final.

Is she always pushing you about and talking behind your back ?

Does Naughton Park count as defunct then? I've been there but not to the new stadium, but I thought one was just a revamp of the other.

I've been there. Well I've been to Morrisons

I missed Gigg Lane How could I forget Newloves' 100th try for Fev and a sodding parking ticket when the steward assured me I'd be ok parked where I was

With the imminent demise of Knowsley Road I was thinking about defunct grounds and how many I'd actually been on. I came up with: Thrum Hall Station Road Crown Flatt Tatters Field Central Park Victory Park Parkside Barley Mow Elland Road Greyhound Stadium Watersheddings Hilton Park Craven Park Boulevard Clarence Street Wilderspool I've never been to Fartown. I think Huddersfield had a period of playing at Leeds Road and I went there once but haven't counted it.

I remember going to Headingley in either the late eighties or early nineties and Roy Powell was playing for Leeds against Fev. Leeds were terrible that day and Fev won. For me Powell was their stand out player - never stopped and tackled everything that moved, if all the Leeds players had played as well as Powell they'r probably have won. But it was Powell who got the abuse from the Leeds fans stood near to me. Whether it was because he was black, or because he was out of favour, or they could identify him more easily because he was black I don't know. But I do know he didn't deserve the abuse he was getting from the Leeds fans. In fact if there was a better 80 minute man at the time than Roy Powell I never saw him.

It said Stella on the tap, didn't have to be Stella in the glass I suppose. I must admit I stuck mainly to Pelforth and Leffe whist in France - Estrella in Spain.

No I had Pression Stella in France and it tasted nothing like the stuff you get here. Having said that the Pelforth was streets ahead of either the Stella or the 1664

Why haven't they stopped selling Stella, Heineken, Carlsberg, Black Label and Fosters then? It all tastes like p!ss to me. Funnily enough I was drinking Stella in France last week - it doesn't taste anything like the stuff they sell here.

The commentary says Nicky Kiss

Bit of both I suppose. This would be just before the Hanley era, but Clive Sullivan had already captained GB to a World Cup win, and the following year played for Hull in the CC final replay at Elland Road.

I thought it was Keith Macklin, but did realise it was David Watkins. It must have been YTV. Watkins used to co commentate with John Helm on Scrumdown. I reckon Helme is one of the best RL commentators I've heard. Ian Slater who scored Huddersfield's try is now a financial advisor with the Leeds Building Society.

It doesn't make it any less true. Rubbing the tackled player's face in the muck was standard practice for Wigan players in the eighties and nineties. Edwards standing offside deliberately and getting away with it. The great Wigan side were pastmasters of cheating and gamesmanship. Having said that so were the Leeds side of the same era.

But what about the fact that this happened at Wigan not at Hull? What can the Hull KR club do about something that happens on another club's ground?

As Wigan used to be but no one said so.

I've posted on the Union site on a similar topic about Hull KR's crowd problems. Craven Park is the only ground where I've been physically threatened. I shouted for Fev in the old Threepenny Stand at the Boulevard, with some banter but no problem. I've even shouted for Fev at Wheldon Road and not had a problem. After their action against Cas surely the RFL should take some action should be taken against Hull KR. I suppose there is an argument that it didn't happen at Craven Park whereas the Cas incident did happen at Wheldon Road, nevertheless I believe there is a long standing problem at Hull KR.

I have. In fact I've packed down in the scrum at both games, granted in the contested scrum RL days. The argument for RL is that with contested scrums there'd be no wide running back rowers, because they'd be too knackered by the end of the game and more room for the half backs to work in. David Hobbs and the Fev pack combined to score Fev's winning try in the '83 final after a 75 minutes of contested scrums. Having said that the Hull pack were out on their feet. The problem with the contested scrum (again as can be seen in the '83 final) is that they had to be constantly set and re-set, with every other one resulting in a penalty. I don't know which I prefer. The open play in the contested scrum era seems just as fast as it is today. But the game was slower because of all the stoppages at scrums. The scrummage laws at RL haven't changed. There's nothing to stop a side putting out an old fashioned scrummaging six and trying to win by outscrummaging a lighter six. Who knows it could be the start of a whole new era for RL? Or would it force the RFL to update the rules, given what a dangerous place a contested scrum can be?

To misquote "1066 and All That" Every time Fev get near the qualifying criteria, the RFL change the criteria.

I don't like the Fev one. For starters Bluebeard wasn't a pirate - it was Blackbeard, Bluebeard was a serial wife killer. Is the Saints one still the Simon Templar stick man - I've always thought that looks particularly tacky. The best of the old style ones for me was Wakey's fleur de lys. I've got a Fev baseball cap and a woolly hat, both with the Fev coat of arms with a miners lamp on it.

I'm not much of a poet or a musician, but I've aways thought that Featherstone Rovers would fit very nicely into the "Flower of Scotland" tune - Oh Featherstone Rovers When will we see your like again? that's where I get stuck

Dunno. Would the Pies bottle it like they did against Leeds. I don't normally see much SL but I saw both Saints - Wire and Wigan - Leeds last week and Richards had three chances to win the game for them and fluffed them all. Could it be that it really is a mental thing?