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Just a bit of a twist on the old "how many grounds have you been to?" topics we've had in the past. How many have you been in every stand of to watch a rugby game? Only 6 for me I think: Boulevard KC Stadium Galpharm Stadium Millennium Stadium New Craven Park Headingley Carnegie Odsal/Grattan Stadium
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Totally agree. And on the flip-side, if we win and Wigan beat Leeds tonight, we're back to the all important 4th place. Leeds (29pts) - Wigan (h), Cas (a), Catalans (h), Hull (a). Hull FC (28pts) - Quins (a), Crusaders (h), Wire (a), Leeds (h). Hudds (25pts) - Wakey (h), Wigan (a), Salford (h), Catalans (a). Hull KR (25pts) - Cas (h), Salford (a), Wigan (h), Crusaders (h). I can see Leeds losing tonight, and Hull losing against Wire, and most likely both "should" win the other two games on paper, meaning it could come down to the last game of the season for 4th. Alternatively, Hull have been beaten by all of the teams remaining already this year. Both Hudds and Rovers have got 3 very winnable games, with a difficult game against the league leaders. If they were to win 3 out of the 4, then Hull will need to win 2 out of 4 at most to keep 5th. So these games are "must wins". Nothing's decided yet!
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Quins RL move fixture because of a Union match
Wellsy4HullFC replied to Wendall's topic in The General Rugby League Forum
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Exactly what I was thinking. If it's not an "if something happens", it's just a lie! Wakefield's away support being as good as Leeds' and Wigan's is laughable! They don't give out franchises for that, anyway. And as for youth development... how many of these young players have gone on to be SL regulars at Wakefield? 11 overseas players this last weekend. If they were that good, surely they'd figure more in your squad?
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Which, again, wasn't my question. the question was why is Belle Vue and The Willows better? I'll explain my point as I go through yours... Same as at Belle Vue, and to some extent The Willows (the away stand only has cover for the seats IIRC, not the terrace in front of it). And, on top of this, if folks were bothered about getting wet, then there is probably enough seating to cover 3/4 of their average crowd this year at Odsal. Could the same be done at Belle Vue? Not a chance. As opposed to Belle Vue, which has awful terracing at pitch-side. If you're at the front, you're actually below pitch level. The terracing isn't steep enough, so you can't really see very well above the people in front of you. I'd rather be too far away and be able to see the whole pitch than too low down and see nothing. As opposed to Belle Vue's block of flats? Or The Willows' club house? They make that "blob" look like Buckingham Palace! My stats do say it all. Your points before about their crowds only being good a decade ago were way off. I agree about the dip being alarming though. I've started threads about it in the past and been told to shush by Bradford fans in the past. But then again, I'm a Bradford Sympathiser apparently... So, to sum up... every point you made can be attributed to Belle Vue and the Willows. And in fact, they're probably worse at those places...
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Stadium Criteria for SL
Wellsy4HullFC replied to Lobbygobbler's topic in The General Rugby League Forum
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I sympathise not. I just don't like illogical arguments that have been proven so time and time again. You just spouting rubbish again. Define good crowds? 2003 (when they moved back to Odsal) was 7 years ago, not 10. Not that that was the last time they got "good crowds". Let's have a look since they moved back to Odsal... 2003 - 14,936 (best in SL) 2004 - 13,500 (2nd best) 2005 - 13,367 (3rd best) 2006 - 11,263 (3rd best) 2007 - 12,084 (4th best) 2008 - 10,287 (5th best) 2009 - 9,677 (5th best) 2010 - 8,642 (6th best) They still posted five-figure crowds 2 years ago, which I would consider the benchmark for "good crowds". They're still in the top 6 of SL crowd averages despite a HUGE drop in attendances over the last 7 years. So if they have poor crowds, then most of SL is in a worse state. That doesn't answer the question. How is Odsal "much WORSE" than the two grounds I mentioned? "I would rather watch RL in these grounds" isn't an answer. Why would you? So Bradford have to get 20k crowds (more than any SL club has achieved on more than 3 occasions in a single season)? That's a ridiculous benchmark for a poor argument.
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When I get bored, I read this forum on my phone. The screen isn't big enough to fit the whole page on, so I just browse through the posts and can't see which users are posting what unless I scroll to the side. Incidentally, I can tell every time it's a "Lobbygobbler" post, simply because it includes some illogic about how Bradford have the worst ground in the SL or shouldn't be in the SL, etc. Wakefield and Salford are city clubs. They were warned. So that's that weird theory out of the way. But it won't stop you arguing it. The club doesn't own its stadium is a pretty new one for you. How many clubs in the SL do? Why does it matter?And, according to Wikipedia (not the best source of knowledge, I know), the Bulls have controlling rights of the stadium after taking them back from the council after they left Valley Parade. Odsal wasn't inapproporiate when they used to get good crowds there. It wasn't THAT long ago. What do you expect clubs to do? Just knock down parts of the stadium if the crowds dip? It's a much better ground than Belle Vue and the Willows. You know this. I know this. Everyone knows this. But you will still argue that it isn't. So let's change the question from "Why is Odsal the worst ground" to "How are Belle Vue and The Willows better than Odsal?" Change the record. Why am I wasting my time?
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Surely development is only when they translate into SL players? If all of them youngsters end up going off into the Championship because they aren't getting SL games, then there is a flaw in the development, surely?
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Replaces some clubs' home fixtures. Probably Leeds and closest team to Elland Road out of Hudds/Wakey/Cas (whoever plays that game) and Saints and Widnes at Anfield (as they are both plastic scousers!). An absolute must. And I can't believe it hasn't happened for 5 years.
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Double headers in January/February I aren't too sure about. Too cold, and it's the main part of the football season so we'll struggle to get grounds. If we're going to restructure the season, I'd like to see it come in the season we have the new franchises. What about double headers at Easter? Thursday - Hull FC vs Hull KR. Friday Afternoon - Leeds vs Bradford and Huddersfield vs Cas/Wakey/Salford (whoever is left after 2012) at Elland Road Friday Evening - Saints vs Wigan and Widnes vs Warrington at Anfield. Would love to see England vs France and Wales as we have now (during regular SL round), as well as England vs ANZACs on a free weekend. Magic Weekend at Newcastle on the 2nd BH Weekend in May. Challenge Cup semis a double header.
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No they haven't. They have been the best in the Southern Hemisphere every time they won the NRL. Get over it. Australian team straight off the plane? You mean they don't come a 2 weeks before the game and play a warm up game against a SL side before it? Oh they do? Not straight off the plane then, is it? And your local ref comment is laughable. This year's ref was English. The 3 years before that were Australian. So the last time it was fair was the time you pick in history that you conveniently won most of the time? Yes, that's a really fair indication! Super League club after Super League club have stated they would love to play the NRL champions in Australia. It's just that the NRL clubs are so bottleless they'd hate to risk humiliation on their home turf. Every year the champs of SL say they'll go over there, and every year nothing happens. Another "Australia are amazing, England are useless" boring rant. Peacock would walk into an NRL side. Burrow and McGuire would get in. Senior would have in his day. Ellis has already made it in the NRL from Leeds. I reckon Sinfield would get in also. There are some absolutely garbage players in the NRL. They aren't all amazing. Plenty of players that are "amazing" in the NRL end up coming here and being terrible. Why send Leeds (who are 5th) to play St George (who are 1st)? A bit favourable conditions again from the person who wants "all things fair". How about we send Wigan? Is this the same side that cheated to win the NRL? And they deserved to win. Leeds were terrible. The ref was Australian. And again, the same Melbourne side that won the NRL by cheating. I declare you a typical whinging Aussie. We've got enough of them on these forums, thanks. You bring nothing new.
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Saints to play Wire at Goodison
Wellsy4HullFC replied to Wendall's topic in The General Rugby League Forum
That has to be the worst article ever! Four lines! And they still managed to feck up the picture caption... "TEMPORARY MOVE ... Saints coach Mick Potter might take charge at Goodison" Err... no he won't. He'll be coaching Bradford that year! -
That's not what I meant. I meant that there were more camera angles on the normal broadcast compared to the 3D broadcast, not that the 3D broadcast was broadcasting standard angles. We had our 3D screen near the normal broadcast, and you could see them using far more angles on that broadcast than you could on the 3D broadcast. It was a bit irritating that they were talking about replays that weren't being showed in 3D. If we're going to go out of our way to watch the game in superb picture quality with an extra dimension, you kinda suspect that that sort of demographic would also want the best audio options available also!
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Why do people go over the top? Teams in a competition can be picked in many ways. They don't have to be picked on the basis that they finished in a certain position in another competition.
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Halton Stadium in super league 2011
Wellsy4HullFC replied to 1976PMJwires's topic in The General Rugby League Forum
Yet another person who doesn't understand the difference between a club and a stadium. -
Halton Stadium in super league 2011
Wellsy4HullFC replied to 1976PMJwires's topic in The General Rugby League Forum
And they are getting to it. The same would be said if this happened 10 years ago. It's always later than it should have been for some. It's getting done. Let's just be happy, eh? It means I can sit down in comfortable surroundings with decent views of the pitch and better catering. It is. One of them is that the club have to play in a premier standard facility. This move ensures they tick that box a year early. There isn't. If they can make these moves work, then it would be good for SL. I don't see why it wouldn't be? Then Saints will have to negotiate where they are going to play for 3 years. If it's at Widnes, then again they will at least tick that box for premier stadia. -
Halton Stadium in super league 2011
Wellsy4HullFC replied to 1976PMJwires's topic in The General Rugby League Forum
It's not always that simple though, is it? I don't see what the problem is. They're getting a new ground. In the meantime, they're going to be playing in a premier-class stadium. Does it matter if it isn't theirs? It's one less hole in SL. Maybe Salford, Wakefield and Castleford should be looking at doing something similar? -
The 3D was fantastic. Really helps you see where the gaps are down the line from the touchline angle. That's where the perspective comes in best and where RL will benefit from this sort of technology. I can see in the future when they analyse games they might superimpose presenters onto the pitch so they can walk around and show gaps, etc. That would be cool! The only issue I had was the number of angles. There were very few. I'm not sure how many cameras they had, but it definitely wasn't as much as the normal cameras. We watched it in the Skyrack in Leeds, and unfortunately didn't really get to listen to the commentary because they had the normal broadcast on on the other TVs so they had that sound on. Unfortunately this didn't match up well with the 3D broadcast, because when they were talking about replays in that game, the 3D feed kept live. The only thing that really annoyed me to be fair, and I'll be finding another pub to watch it in 3D in the future if they keep the normal sound on in the background. Apart from that, very good. It's the future. A good pilot. A few things they'll need to improve on, but in a few years time I really think TV will be immense!
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2012 ASHES - and every 4 years beyond that
Wellsy4HullFC replied to Scubby's topic in The General Rugby League Forum
When he was born in St Helens... Briers will be 34 (and has also retired from international RL). Thomas will be 38. Neither have been good enough to get in anyway, so it doesn't matter. There aren't any players that aren't already eligible for England that would be good enough for GB... yet. When there is only one professional team in GB that is outside of England, it isn't much of a surprise. -
It's the same thing. They are all people. And they are all leaving for similar reasons no matter where they live. The only difference between a player leaving and a coach leaving is that there are a hell of a lot more playing opportunities than there are head-coach opportunities. You can't just walk into a head coach position like you can a playing one, so you have to take what's on offer. It's hardly humiliation. It's just realisation. Can't this be the same for coaches? Many coaches have young families. A lot of coaches would stay forever if they didn't get the sack at any club they're at. Not just Australians living in London. Walters wasn't sacked. He has a clause in his contract that he can stay another year if he wanted, which he turned down. Potter wasn't sacked. He left for a better job. What idiot would sack a coach that got them to a CCF and then to 3rd in SL? Morgan wasn't sacked. He left for a job of about equal stature at the time (leaving CCSFinalist Toulouse for NL1 play-off regulars Hull KR). So no, not many coaches at all. And there is no evidence that any of the coaches you mention are leaving because they don't like the lifestyle, yet it hasn't stopped you starting a thread on it. Can't have it both ways. You mean the position he left to go home to Australia (another one!)? OK, you make your own little stories again... Once you have an argument which doesn't have stupid logic that doesn't apply to other parts of your argument, then people might be able to digest it. Until then, do yourself a favour...
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French Elite clubs in Northern Rail Cup next year
Wellsy4HullFC replied to bowes's topic in The General Rugby League Forum
That bad is it? Not even with some funding or sponsorship? Just seems like a good opportunity if they wanted to test the water. -
French Elite clubs in Northern Rail Cup next year
Wellsy4HullFC replied to bowes's topic in The General Rugby League Forum
Some of the ideas I've heard floating around are having their amateur representative sides enter. Surely that would make them a bit more competitive? -
Yeah, the Aussie head coach of Harlequins loves it there... Wait a minute...? Also, what about these: Adam Mogg leaves Catalans Dragons "After four years in France, the 32-year-old Queensland State of Origin player has been released for family reasons as he has become homesick." Greg Bird leaves Catalans Dragons "Catalans Dragons captain Greg Bird has rejected a new two-year contract and left France to return to Australia." Kevin Walters ready for Catalans Dragon exit "I will not be taking up the option in my contract to coach the Dragons in season 2011" Jason Ryles quits France for Roosters "Despite being just one season into a three-year deal with France-based Super League club Catalans Dragons, it was Ryles who rang Smith looking for a job back in the NRL, where he believes he has unfinished business and a point to prove. The 30-year-old, who hails from the Illawarra, said it was largely a homesick girlfriend who had driven him to pick up the phone." And that's all in the last 6 months. And 3 out of 4 of them left their contracts early. Can't be that much of a paradise in the south of France