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Its the speech bubbles... "you are the zebra"

actually no thats not what chatgpt would come up with if you put that in... its this Unfortunately now that I have posted that Derek will be launching this as the magic kit!

delete browsing history....

Back from a week in tenerife and I just used the standard google VPN that my Google Pixel phone had on it and hotspotted to that from my other devices.. easy

It's a company communication and they cannot get the where, were, we're correct...

Screw that, where, were, we're FFS, it's a company communication!!!!

I think it's a big problem outside RU, Football and Cricket (arguably) most other sport play as GB (Hockey being a notable exception but play as GB for the Olympics with only a few from the other nations)... GB has an argument around support for sure, also the fact GB is the country really... For me it's play as GB if we play the world cup amf every international as GB if not then go as the separate countries..

"Rugby League; we don't need paying fans"!

So far I have booked accommodation for both an RU international and the NFL in London in the autumn as I've known exactly when they will be for a while now. Will I do the same now for the RL??? If this announcement had been out earlier then that would have taken priority. It surely, therefore, is not tough to see where the issue is if you want to get a full house (or anywhere near). International RL once again shoots itself in the foot while claiming it missed..

I didnt but I'm glad I have been shown the way by the faceless oracles on this internet forum! I wish I hadn't wasted the last 30 years of my life on amateur and junior Rugby now and just waited till I won the EuroMillions or sold my business when I could then get all the plaudits and make a "worthwhile" contribution to sport, rather than the many hours every week that I put in in the freezing cold winter months stood outside when I could be inside keeping warm. Oh and spending my own money (so it doesn't go through the business as my business partner wouldn't agree) to pay for sponsorship etc of the teams.. No I shouldn't have done that I should know my place as someone who knows nothing and doesn't spend enough time in the stands (becuase I am too busy actually coaching and adminning clubs) but I cant possibly have talked to people about it the sport and what they think even though I spend most of my spare time at Rugby Clubs.. The irony being we are looking to sell the business, for a not insubstantial amount which could make a nice difference at a club at champ level if I decided that was where to invest some of it, at which point I go from knowing nothing to being a visionary.. it really is quite odd. But while I did consider it as an option about 6 months ago, the last 2 weeks has made me decide that there isnt a chance I would risk my money when long term strategies and plans can get torn up like this, its maniacal and no business in its right mind would act like this, so when/if I do reinvest it isnt going to be in RL.. Some of the attitude is daft on this forum at the moment,... maybe time to take a hiatus.

Indeed, and an awful lot do this as volunteers... the rotters...

Theres that glasshouse again... You are aware that many people on here know exactly who others are and it's not just nameless and faceless aren't you?

You do your fair share of scorning too Harry... Glass houses etc.. "Tell me RP what do you know of the attitude of people in the stands...." And "when your next at the game chose some people at random and ask them..." As if I don't talk to people.. you can be quite disingenuous when having a conversation Harry. "Soft assumption" I suppose though..

It's a lot easier to make money if you don't have to worry about "doing the right thing". If we look at many people with money their "morals" can be "questionable"... Before anyone jumps on me with examples of the opposite I purposefully put "many" not "all"

As someone who owns and runs a business taking many risks (which he well knows) I get f*all respect from him for my opinion, which is nice

I love the fact you just assume I don't talk to people in the game at all levels... How little you actually know... On one thread it's all about those in the stands, the next it's about the people who own it, who is it next? You want what you want and you side with those that espouse it... But woe betide anyone else do the same hey...

So it's NOT the people in the stands that we should listen to, it IS the club officials.. ok glad that's clear

Surely it depends on context doesn't it? If he has a toothbrush moustache and a brown shirt you could say "he's like Hitler" and everyone knows you mean in appearance rather than jumping straight to racist bigoted anti Semite... In the same way as talking about an incident where someone is being convicted (by the account from Widnes) for tweets going back to 2012 is somewhat similar to Ollie Robinson who was banned for tweets that dated back to 2012... Without having to jump to "gregsons tweets must have had the same content" Looking at the replies on here, it would appear you seem to have been the only one to jump over the obvious similarities into something else.

Can't really disagree with that point

Of course and it is often up to the person who is being offended to feel offence... But if something can be taken 2 ways perhaps think about whether you want it to come across as "the bad one" before you say it, especially online where "tone" is notoriously difficult to gauge... There we go no offence then caused simples

No, its the same as the wording of the anti money laundering rules which is around "any normal person". It's because attitudes and "offence" change so the wording can stay the same but cover it all. What you say one day in a certain way may not be offensive 1 year later or vice versa bit can 100% be judged at the time because we "all know what you mean". That's the point. Judging something from 2012 is not so easy but by going back it can show things like is it just normal language to them but the meaning has changed (like some of us older folk struggling to change language but meaning no offence) or is it developing language all with the same meaning and therefore knowing exactly what it means.

No that's not what these sorts of things say.. you don't have to silently accept transgenderism in children at all.. but you cannot use discriminatory language against people, the two things are not the same. Equally we have not seen (and we may not) the exact wording that has got him in bother.. there is a difference between "I don't like the way Sam smith dresses" and "Sam Smith should not dress like a women HE isn't one!" The second is transphobic as you are deliberately saying that they have no right to wear whatever they like (an opinion but it's stopping you having freedom etc) and you are using deliberate pronouns to cause offence, you know that this will cause offence to that person and anybody else who chooses to use they/them.. etc... I wouldn't ban someone for this but it's just an example that without the exact tweets this is really hard to judge. I use it as deliberately provocative of an argument around pronouns etc because the language can be subtle but highly offensive and it's that which could cause people issues.. and is the difference between vocalising and opinion and being offensive.

interestingly i googled the RFL Social Media policy as I was interested to see when it came in... havent found it yet.. but the first 4 of the top 10 google responses, and all of the responses that were directly back to the RFL website were to amateur teams; Thato Heath, Shevington Sharks, Stanley Rangers and Wyke all of which had variations of the below on their website and also the safeguarding style rules around under 18s and parents etc. So its pretty well out there and reading the below set of rules it makes an awful lot of sense for everybody in life really. Frankly if people stuck to these rules it would be a much nicer place to inhabit. https://thattoheathcrusaders.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Social-Media-Code-of-Conduct.pdf

faire enough sorry. yes I think this is the thing, the ban may be too strong, or maybe not strong enough and a lot of that will depend on the exact language and recurrence of it which we are still to find out about. He has a set of rules laid out by the governing body, if he has broken those he deserves the punishment.

They really don't. A certain section of the population is allowed to say whatever they like, even if it is proven to be factually incorrect. A large proportion of the population do not have this ability and even when they have the actual facts they are told to sit down and shut up.