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No it doesn't need to be done holistically. You get sign off for the major part of the tour so that you can get that organised, announced and sold. Then you can look to see if there is an appetite to add games and if so what is the implications on squad sizes and therefore cost.. but you already have the games organised and the money starting to come in.. (sponsorships etc). It's is exactly what I would expect if its taking so long to work with them.

First line of his post that you quoted shows that's not what he's saying. Organise the 3 ashes games and get them signed off... THEN you can try to organise more and see if you can get those signed off... But you've already got the key part of it sorted.

But this is the thing.. ambitious clubs can still get promoted, they just need to prove they are building the club and that it gives the league "more to sell". This isn't a closed shop... I support Sheffield eagles and we are "locked out" except we aren't if we can get a nice ground built/rented and get our house in order .. this is much better than 1 person coming in, spending a chunk of cash on a team that needs to have luck in terms of injuries etc, then gets promoted with a terrible ground situation and no back up finance if that person walks away. For the club and the league that is not a good situation. I also support Sheffield Wednesday so I know about promotion and relegation. My gripe (which a certain poster doesn't seem to grasp) is that the people actually being properly affected in RL is potentially devastation to their lives, in football it isn't. To find that entertaining IMHO is bizarre and to think as a spectator you are more important than the mental wellbeing of those involved is equally bizarre. Build the game to the point where that step down is not potentially ruiness and bring Straight P&R back by all means but with the drop off we have now it is not the right thing for the people involved IMHO

Let alone all the other "minor sports" that are all invitation only leagues... But they don't count because they are too small/imported/no tradition (delete as applicable)

Even that's not true which was the whole point of 1895... Players have always been "incentivised" is one format or another, the better you were/the more a club needed you the bigger the incentives

The problem now is the size of the step down. I'd have P&R if it were more like football where the step down isn't so big and damaging to a club/player. That's circle trying to be squared IMHO

You clipped, missing the full point out.. the whole post was relevant. Jeopardy isn't about getting entertainment out of people losing their jobs and more. It isn't about the people in the stands it's about the players on the pitch and the staff that one game, one piece of bad luck can see their world fall in on them. I've seen it first hand with people I know who work in sport and the stress levels are immense. But if you find that "entertaining" then you're right I won't reply to you..

I've said this to you before about clipping posts, it's extremely rude... Read the whole thing and actually quote it properly.. read it... What you have said completely misses the entire point.. it has nothing to do with you and all to do with the people who ACTUALLY have jeopardy in this.. not the bloke who loses nothing sitting in the stands... What you point out is the utter arrogance and "as long as it isn't me" that I'm calling out.

what are you wanting in terms of "a bit more tangible"? IMG said they needed to get grading in to then be able to move forward on other plans. I think there has been quite a lot of action in terms of getting things together for the "great spreadsheet" and also the platforms etc that can then promote the clubs that are moving forward. Yes we want more results but its from here on in really, we should see more statistics around engagement, viewers etc and then hopefully, that can turn into some success with sponsorships etc.. those are the real results in the end. Its why I ask the question of what you are thinking as not sure myself what "results" are worthwhile at the moment..

But jeopardy is great, its fab watching people go through this hell, as long as its not me. The reality of professional sport now when you dont have the strength of the football pyramid is that people will lose an awful lot, and the knock on of losing jobs and houses can be losing family etc, and it really isnt entertaining to watch if you start to think of it like that. If the tier down is such a big jump then there does need to be though put into what happens, most "pro" sports are doing away with it now.

Its not like I went back and edited their actual post or made claims they were saying something they actually werent by snipping a post down taking out pertinent information..

again, just to be accurate.. while I agree with you that its quite vague etc the last paragraph does give a timescale

Just to be fair to him here's that quote with the next 2 paragraphs, the last one showing that what you said is not really accurate.

I wondered the same... Naval gazing seems to be something RL is very good at. oh and not waiting long enough for things to bed in before naval gazing and changing it.

I've sorted your post for you

Those Thunder shirts are nice..

You are aware of the issues that women in these positions can face aren't you? Sometimes being "the one" is the hardest thing to do even if you are surrounded by others that are likely to be feeling the same. To be the first person to ask a question in a room of people wondering the same thing is difficult, if you could lose your job by misjudging the room makes it all the more difficult. I am surprised to read the above in this day and age as an "excuse" for saying it didnt happen. You may well be right that there is nothing in it but the above is 100% not evidence for that.

Thanks for this, I remember playing Manchester Knights when I was at South London Storm. One thing though there is a big difference between running an amateur side and a pro one, especially if we're just looking at a rebrand of a club already there. If we were to go from, for example, 3,000 to 5,000 because of a rebrand and increased coverage etc then it would be worth it. If it went from 3 to 3 1/2 then maybe not.

It's nice that, would prefer they pay their bills though.

Devils advocate; So how many do you lose? (Not many in the grand scheme) How many could be gained (don't know, whats the appetite in Manchester etc) Many look at what we lose.few seem to look at what we gain (As per devils advocate, this may be the wrong example but IMHO we look at what we could lose rather than what we could gain far too much). Blue ocean thinking would be nice but RL just looks at red ocean

Yes games on the road, if we have loop fixture that's how to make them work... No not much better than magic

To be fair it's nice to be able to say to the kids "but in my day" I honestly thought I'd never get the chance (or at least this early)

A none diverse board, a "jobs for the boys" mentality, a sport that does not have governance independent from the clubs.. To be fair, the Salford situation seems minor if we cannot move into the 21st century at some point.

They'll go onto admin and then the takeover will happen.. that's my bet anyway.. but I have been down the pub!

Wouldn't have been mentioned on this thread without it