Dave T

I think you'll find the correct response is...

Well no, I am taking what you say at face value. You are being critical that it is not recognisable as an England shirt, but your only change is adding red. Neither of the shirts you mocked up look like England RL shirts, something you are really critical of (it doesn't bother me). I'm really not sure what your criticism is, other than they've taken red out of the kit - something you have no issues with for other sports.

The cricket example is perfectly valid, I am referring to ODI form.

Christ.

Can i ask, when you say brand, do you just mean colour? Because that is nothing like. An England kit either.

Neither is the one you put on. It doesn't have to be. They have actively acknowledged that they have gone in a different direction.

England cricket colours were completely different. Dark blue and red vs light blue. England football went with light blue sleeves. I don't think having red white and blue branding across other merch and websites is going to be an issue for an England team.

It's a common thing that teams do. Obviously many people feel differently to you. Same exercise regarding the badge with the other kits I highlighted earlier in the thread. When a design is changed (which has been acknowledged here) that would always be the case. The George Cross has been lambasted here for years, branded a cheap Sports Direct chav kit. We now move into what is a more traditional RL design and fans are no happier.

I hope the warmup is treated with respect and we get a good crowd. Looking forward to it.

If the main complaint is that red is missing, I've provided a handful of examples of other sports doing the same on kits. Many of these are using world class brands, way stronger than ours and Oxen's.

I completely understand your point. However, there are many, many examples of other better run sports than us doing the same with secondary (and sometimes primary) colours, and it not being an issue. I respectfully suggest we are over thinking it. But ultimately, I just think it's a very nice shirt.

I guarantee if Oxen had released that kit people would be complaining. Without question.

If the complaint is a change in colours, fair enough, that is a personal thing, we've had the same colours for decades and people moaned. We've seen Cricket and football change colours, but people like what they like. There ain't much more to it than that. I think this is the best England kit I've seen since I started watching them in the 90s.

It's the reduction in white that I like. I'd be very happy if they stuck with white and blue (with or without red trimming). Predominantly white shirts are not my favourite, and I like the fact that this is very different from anything the union mob may wear. I think some of our past ones have been too similar to theirs.

To be fair, we have stuck with white with red for almost three decades, since the 1995 World Cup. Many of the kits had the George Cross. And guess what? Fans complained every time

They won't be on will they? I don't think they are in SL?

I've no issues with flitting between blue, red, none or both. It's what England football team do with little controversy. White, red and blue are absolutely colours associated with England. I'd have understood the uproar had we had a green chevron.

There is something in that, however the sponsor has changed since then too, which will have been a driver (not that they wouldn't have released one had Dacia stayed!).

The above is true - you are stating facts. They have changed the secondary colour. Ii's not a big deal, at all. People will either like the shirt or they won't.

Come on, RU have had red detail all over their shirt at times, other times blank. England football have had plain white, or they have had white and blue, or white and red, or white and light blue. I've already highlighted cricket that has used completely different shades of colours. RL kits are generally a bit fussier, with more detail, so they may look more extreme, but ultimately, the approach has been similar. Is this abandoning a brand?

But the red comes through on the badges and the sponsor. There is red detail on the shirt. I've seen England football shirts that are white, sometimes with blue, sometimes red, sometimes even light blue.

Nobody could answer the question 'what is our brand' for Football, Rugby Union, Cricket, or RL - other than people that work in the field. It's just not a question that the average fan asks. The England RL kits are white, with red and blue features. That is the same as Football and Rugby Union.

It has, but these are quite different: If England RL did this, it would be slated.

The France kit is very dark blue (like England's tbf) - they wore it in the recent game v Wales. I don't know about Greece - but I think we should have an alternate strip anyway.

I'm afraid your question needs a few more words than this to make sense.