Kayakman

I think that is correct...and a mouthpiece is a mouthpiece no matter what the sport. A handsandwich is the best way to deal with such folk.

Don't get me started on that dumb butcher.

dumb...dumb...dumb... Warning!: They are thinking about doubling down on the dumbness.

There is a good joke in there somewhere but I just need to find it!

Is medicinal pot not legal in Australia now?

Question: Was Vegas a breakthrough moment that changed rugby league forever? Answer: No.

I see you have been drinking again.

Thank you very much for the wonderful reply. I have no doubt that they all stayed and thrived in Cronulla but you missed the real reason....the beach at Cronulla.....it is a great beach and there is plenty of parking...I especially enjoyed the view on many occasions! All the best.

Sam has found the sun and sand....he will be staying.

That is exactly how it played out for him in Toronto also...he runs so hard he might just hurt himself.

It spreads like a cancer and grows...can steal hard earned victories and lead to unnecessary defeats.

More accurate: Some of the debts were built up over time and many accounts were subsequently properly settled before the final season. I talked to a supplier over here ( I know him) and he was always paid. Fighting Irish was correct in his narrative. The chance of those owed money I would put at zero....as I'm sure you recall there was a proper proposal to pay these debts put forward but it was subsequently nixed by RFL (a shocker).

We all know that there were some problems with suppliers and players getting paid on time before SBW...I know you know this for a fact Harry since you talked to some of the actual players involved about what was going on (nudge, nudge, wink, wink; we both know that Harry). Some of the suppliers were on this very forum complaining about not being paid properly (I poo pooed them at the time in defence of my club but it turns out they were correct, I apologize now). Then there was the problem with the players getting cheques before Xmas that one year between League 1 and Championship. Both of theses things fit perfectly in the narrative of Fighting Irish and his analysis. The comments Elstone made were well before the SBW signing as I recall. I think it was as Fighting Irish says; the management team was given a budget by Argyle and they mishandled parts of it from there. Once the SL thing became a forced reality and SL made it very clear they wanted nothing to do with Toronto...Covid hit....well then Argyle was forced to fish or cut bait.

This is the thing Dave...I looked for it before but there is nothing there....it wasn't a formal press conference or anything , he was leaving a meeting in a corridor but it was around the time that he was appointed. It happened, the fix was in. I mentioned it in some posts on here at the time.

This is an interesting point....there were a couple of supplier getting paid (also players) problems early on. Some problems in Championship but the money was flowing. I remember seeing a short clip of Elstone, early on, walking down a corridor and the reporter asked him about Toronto and he said something to the effect of "Never going to happen...how many times does an owner have to be told he is not welcome". It began to devolve from there....he made his position (and that of the majority SL owners) quite clear. I think the take of what Fighting Irish says in his post is most correct account of what actually occurred.