idrewthehaggis

Yes it is ridiculous much and the spread, if not degree of IMG's criteria, but characteristically convenient for some that a grading criteria excludes 1/4 of attending supporters and its facilities.. Some terraces in "senior" RL would be an embarrassment in six and seventh tier soccer. A ground criteria surely has to comprehensive rather than selective. (The former gives little motivation for modernisation.)

When us away supporters are stood in the last century terrace delights of freezing drizzle looking on the covered warmth of the locals, is that part of the Maximum points for Stadium?

Would seem a Yorkshire metropolitan police department is missing the forensic skills of investigation for some on here. Plenty of evidence anecdotally and online for the latest refereeing debacle. No need for links. But hey unlike them, we have to move on and assume our own matters aren't infested with certain levels of institutional mediocrity and bias often found. But nevertheless to remember, aside from fairness, there is a very real need for officials to robustly manage grub tactics. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-19/nrl-called-on-to-do-more-to-protect-players-from-concussion/100017180https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/j ul/11/brain-injury-the-new-flashpoint-in-dispute-between-nrl-and-players

And there was myself imaging IMG was about increasing revenue and media exposure, not another restructure or securing various clubs into SL from their various "stades de crasse"?

Ah well. You have to have a little sympathy. Come on, stay with me. You awake today and all the trade journals, some of the general media, and certainly the cyber versions and the broadcasters are rife with considerations of your abilities. Commentators at BBC Leeds/Manchester/5 Live, both the coaches/ Ian Blease running down to the assessor and it goes on. It isn't great on a Game in its entirety, professional nor personal. In a sport rife with ill considered priorities, this latest debacle demonstrates our officialdom needs support. You know list them - A Ref Academy, NRL placements or job swap, definitely better use of Touch Judges (total melts imo) and undoubtedly replication of how the TMO and video screen is used in the other code. We simply can not afford as a Sport to carry like this. I do not think our refs are "bent." I did think there was some possible unconscious biases or more like wishy washy over familiarize. Certain tendencies to melt in the wake of ten thousand voices. There is far too much interpretation, too much inconsistency. Some lads are clever, but not intelligent in their application. Nevertheless, I was left dismayed and angry from yesterday. Dismayed when I think should I be here to endure this when I live in a city awash with other attractions from the cerebral Manchester International festival to the vaguely decadent Trafford Centre. If I - a life long rugby, supporter and now co-owner is thinking this, then........... Angry as even though I'm accustomed to "curious" on field decisions yesterday exasperated even me. As for the rugby- Leeds basically grubs and good defence. SRD school boy errors, albeit this is a team wracked with injuries. To be far given the supposed vastly greater resources (in an already rigged system) Leeds have, it is they, not "plucky but skint" Solly I would be more downcast about. So let us see how many casualties survived another episode of not being protected by the ref emerges from this. And onwards to possibly the treat of the summer of the Real Entertainers against the Leopards. The fight back begins here.

Pretty much so. Anything could happen with Rowley-ball. Beat all conquering Catalan one week, surrendering to Wakey the next. Who would want a predictable life............ Certainly this ain't cabbage green about it itself.

Seemingly false economics? Surely far better for the clubs, any stakeholders (ie the local authority/RFL) and the Game in general to have these Yorkshire grounds comprehensively re-developed and that money to be used to repay any loan? Aided by the addition revenues a new facility could provide. First it could be argued that those clubs arent in a position to do that or prioritize elsewhere. And second I really do not think the IMG standards do anything to sufficiently pressure clubs to dramatically improve their grounds.

And yup "handful." To be truthful, is it enough to have the required two divisions to facilitate P and R? Secondly whilst Post Codes are to send letters, local government boundaries exist to define where a council delivers services. They would be a very crude mechanism to detail where a particular club derives its support from or its "catchment." Eg Warriors and Chorley, Saints and Liverpool, SRD and Manchester and Castleford and Hades. It hence demonstrates how miserily ignorant and un transparent RL statistics are. Whilst it is pretty much common knowledge where, what numbers attend football and cricket, it would seem the stats for RL are absent. I mean some clubs dont release attendance figures, others seem to have plethora of "corporates" that get included whether or not they are used. Estimating the number of season tickets for clubs is guestimation. And as for finances.............

And so did I. For people like me who has had to bite their lips because of a Murdoch owned Sky, I am going to struggle with "Da Zone." "DA ZoNe, home of Rugby League and Hardcore neo con conspiracy politics"

Just after quitting rugby to be a "mature" student, I meet a fella in a Derby RL top at a chippie at the junction of Abbey and Burton Road. The lad was from Cas I think and I took the chance to ask him about his shirt. He told me that there was a burgeoning RL community in the east Midlands still reeling from Uncle Mo's collapsing of Nottingham some years before. I declined the opportunity to try it (sadly), picked up our respective fish suppers and departed. So for me it makes complete sense for Midland to branch out. People need to understand the perspective. This is League One in front of a few hundred if that. More fellas will be having a pie at Pride Park at half time most Saturdays (even against lofty opponents like erm Stevenage haha)than there. Maybe it will revive RL there, maybe not. Maybe fish supper fella will greet you. I hope so.

And Play off games. I guess then-as suggested by others-that a form of refunds would need to be arranged. Easier said than done. Padge. if you accept his premise that there isn't enough SL level players to fill 14 top level teams, don't people think RL should have a long term plan to reverse this?

Toby comfortably one of the best posts on here, guided by reasoned, sensible consideration. This is no panacea, magic bullet or forever charm. It is though a wise modest immediate solution to keeping Salford competitive and the lack of a sugar daddy. It is also a significant victory for supporters democracy. Maybe it's success might inspire others. Indeed imagine the wealth say a crowd funder or bond could have raised for the RFL if such schemes had been run since the birth of SL. Literally millions. Good grief.

Well well. £364,270 raised. 1291 investors. It belongs to you and me. Let my people sing at the People's Club!

I tend to agree, but both models envisaged, first by the club/Dennett and Burnham and the other by IMG implies alot about the communitarian aspects imagined.

£271,000 and 960 donations as we speak. A bid is being written to use this to claim further grants. Overall, it's a remarkable victory for the club, but especially the fans. We are the People!

Gifts for others.

£200,000 raised so far this afternoon. Almost 800 co-owners. Possibly an extra £750,000 could be in coming from various grants due to the nature of the crowd funder, following from Tuesday's meeting between club officials and co-owners.

Clearly what this forum is lacking is some threads about Salford........

Well so far yes, but I am minded to imagine first there will be some fee to remain a stakeholder and that there will be concurrent fund raisers. If you re-read my post, I was speculating on a RFL supporters Bond.

And as the sun falls on this Saturday, the total is £131,000 from 470 supporters. 1/10 of average attendance. Like an extra game. Or an extra 5,000 fans on the gate. That and the unique benefits of the democratization of the club and the Game. Thought is imagine if the RFL had established such a similar supporters Bond from day one. Each year 1/10 of the 110,000 total support of SL clubs, investing £100 per season over 25 plus years. Are we talking the millions that would make the difference?

The other code was lucky in previously having the likes of MacLaren, Eddie Butler and Cliff Morgan. Lads whose luxurious, rich rhythms out weighted the sense of privilege and often dullarity attached to that sport. An era of embracing the tonality as much as the talk. RL was unlucky in having end of the Blackpool pier showmanship in Eddie et al, evoking a sense less of remarkable voices and more a gaggle of Butch Dingles let loose to express their sharp eyed parochialism and random violence. #### up or conspiracy, we seemed to lack, miss having our own well honed, knowledgeable voice who was a pleasure to listen to, irrespective of how compelling the game was or not. I would argue that era is over. Instead it is either the perfectly acceptable office efficient voices like Dave Woods or bantz. Think Chris Sutton, Alan Brazil, David Flatman, Jon Wilkins. Often unnecessarily contradictory, sometimes mindless or trite. Always provoking. Which is the point. For me RL is an honest, tough but hugely technical and skilful game and thus its commentary should reflect that. Certainly less the crushing "iron man" cargo cult which seems dated now. And more the adeptness and resilience. People who are approachable, smart, knowledgeable and able to use the definite article in a sentence would make the ideal commentator today. More Dave Woods then.

Mature sensible post Ray. Just to say back when Koukash asked for feedback on a possible re-design, I and a number of supporters argued SRD should be looking to fan ownership like FC United for inspiration. The Supporters Trust have long advocated this. And King announced it was going to be delivered this year, last summer. So no, it isn't born this Spring as a last desperate action. It is a long term desire.

Mature sensible post Ray. Just to say back when Koukash asked for feedback on a possible, I and a number of supporters argued SRD should be looking to fan owners like FC United for inspiration. Was that 2017/18. The Supporters Trust have advocated it for the last few years. And King announced it was going to be delivered last summer. So no, it isn't born this Spring as a last gasp desperate action. Covid left all bar Wakey in debt. Relying on the fans is the right thing as without a sugar daddy to pay off any debt/cost as "loans" then what else is there. Plus this is essentially about remaining competitive rather than just remaining alive.

Nay visionary, surely a prophet our Oxford. And ye Prophet spoketh from ye terrace to ye doubters, who amassed numerous a plenty . "What ye who have little faith in the Community Shares scheme? Are ye so afflicted by ye demons of malevolence, of spite and ye foulless of reason?" announced ye Prophet. But the throng replied as one;"Can ye nay heareth the cries that you have nearly runneth out of road! Surely tides of great peril awaiteth ye Salford bretheren.?" For which the Prophet replied: "For I do aye, heareth the distant rumblings, but more so the greater song of triumph against adversely ringeth in thy dirty oldeth town." And from ye market place, the story was passed around of the rightness of the Salford brotherhood and how their numbers had exceeded 63000 on the first dayeth. And ye blessedeth cried mightily at ye generous and fruitethful gifts received.

Hey ho the auld RL family Oxford. The People' Club. Full or partial citizen ownership is significantly more democratically and morally better. It turns a mere sporting club into a community asset. Added to the facilities becoming wholly council owned, SRD can truly claim to be RL's People's Club. There is a spectrum of what people ownership can develop into. Everything from 50+1 German model to membership run FC United or Wimbledon. Then there is John Lewis', Nationwide, the Co-Op and Arla. Each have well publicised strengths and weaknesses. At this time, this proposal seems correct for Solly. Bereft of a "sugar daddy" recruiting the fans makes economic sense. It additionally throws a light of the Sport's owners finances, the fiscal doping, the levels of debt masquerading as "loans" and the "curious" sources of the monies. Join the evolution now. You know it's right. https://salfordreddevils.net/owntheclub/