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Wigan have snared the Melbourne Storm trio. Who can stop Wigan?


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#121 RP London

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 03:20 PM

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Jul 21 2010, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please read my previous longish post immediately above yours, posted at the same time as yours. It answers your response.

so you believe that leeds cannot get any better even though they have had a reched season with injuries and just poor form.. yet you believe a new coach will make les cats better and so you can only see them improving.. how does that work are the french the only people who can improve?? leeds are 3 times champs in a bad season.. why can they not pck their form back up with the same coach that won them 3 titles..

and you havent covered fact that we have no idea what players will be signed by other clubs int he comp yet.. or has the draw bridge been pulled up?


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Posted 21 July 2010 - 04:31 PM

So, Saints sign Inglis, Cam Smith and Thurston and Wire sign Slater, Cronk and Burgess.

Still Wigan in the GF. Of course not, you silly little man. Nobody with half a brain would make that prediction at this stage.
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Posted 21 July 2010 - 04:36 PM

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Nobody with half a brain would make that prediction at this stage.

Maybe you've hit on to something there. laugh.gif

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 04:47 PM

QUOTE (RP London @ Jul 21 2010, 11:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
so you believe that leeds cannot get any better even though they have had a reched season with injuries and just poor form.. yet you believe a new coach will make les cats better and so you can only see them improving.. how does that work are the french the only people who can improve?? leeds are 3 times champs in a bad season.. why can they not pck their form back up with the same coach that won them 3 titles..


Catalans will improve greatly because they had the worst coach in Super League, who dragged them to the bottom of the competition. The only way forward is up.

Leeds have plenty of improvement in them. So they could well deny St Helens and Warrington the right to challenge Wigan in 2011. There are, after all, two spots in the grand final up for grabs.

QUOTE (RP London @ Jul 21 2010, 11:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and you havent covered fact that we have no idea what players will be signed by other clubs int he comp yet.. or has the draw bridge been pulled up?


The draw bridge has pretty much been pulled up.
Inglis may go to Brisbane, if he doesn't stay at Melbourne. But nowhere else.

All the other top NRL stars, who could make a difference to a Super League club rival of Wigan --- such as the Melbourne 4, Thurston, Lockyer, Gasnier, Morris, Jennings, Prince, Marshall, Pearce, Carney, Dugan, Coote (look at the State of Origin and Kiwi teams) ---are committed to NRL clubs for 2011.

2012 could be a different story, though the impending NRL salary cap increase will probably stop the super stars from coming to England.

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 10:18 PM

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Jul 21 2010, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The draw bridge has pretty much been pulled up.
Inglis may go to Brisbane, if he doesn't stay at Melbourne. But nowhere else.

All the other top NRL stars, who could make a difference to a Super League club rival of Wigan --- such as the Melbourne 4, Thurston, Lockyer, Gasnier, Morris, Jennings, Prince, Marshall, Pearce, Carney, Dugan, Coote (look at the State of Origin and Kiwi teams) ---are committed to NRL clubs for 2011.

2012 could be a different story, though the impending NRL salary cap increase will probably stop the super stars from coming to England.

Are you saying that Finch, Hoffman and Lima are better than all of the other players in the NRL, aside from the eleven that you have mentioned?

You have certainly implied that.
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#126 ParisSurtout

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 10:33 PM

QUOTE (MrPosh @ Jul 21 2010, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Are you saying that Finch, Hoffman and Lima are better than all of the other players in the NRL, aside from the eleven that you have mentioned?

You have certainly implied that.


No. I am saying that there will be no massive influx of star players from the NRL to Super League for 2011, such as Wigan have picked up from Melbourne. Everyone in the State of Origin and Kiwi teams, plus the young rising stars, are signed up for 2011.
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Posted 21 July 2010 - 10:36 PM

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Jul 21 2010, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No. I am saying that there will be no massive influx of star players from the NRL to Super League for 2011, such as Wigan have picked up from Melbourne. Everyone in the State of Origin and Kiwi teams, plus the young rising stars, are signed up for 2011.

That's not what you said before. There will be scores of better players than Finch and Lima available this year - although slightly less suited to Wigan's needs.
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#128 ParisSurtout

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 11:28 PM

QUOTE (MrPosh @ Jul 21 2010, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's not what you said before. There will be scores of better players than Finch and Lima available this year - although slightly less suited to Wigan's needs.


There won't be scores of better players than Finch and Hoffman available, and certainly not two and three of near their standard, such as Hull got this year with Long, Fitzgibbon and O'Meley. The market is almost closed down, it is slim pickings left, and if Inglis goes to Brisbane, as seems likely, Melbourne will keep almost all their remaining stars.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 07:35 AM

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Jul 21 2010, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Catalans will improve greatly because they had the worst coach in Super League, who dragged them to the bottom of the competition. The only way forward is up.

Leeds have plenty of improvement in them. So they could well deny St Helens and Warrington the right to challenge Wigan in 2011. There are, after all, two spots in the grand final up for grabs.


The draw bridge has pretty much been pulled up.
Inglis may go to Brisbane, if he doesn't stay at Melbourne. But nowhere else.

All the other top NRL stars, who could make a difference to a Super League club rival of Wigan --- such as the Melbourne 4, Thurston, Lockyer, Gasnier, Morris, Jennings, Prince, Marshall, Pearce, Carney, Dugan, Coote (look at the State of Origin and Kiwi teams) ---are committed to NRL clubs for 2011.

2012 could be a different story, though the impending NRL salary cap increase will probably stop the super stars from coming to England.


So its only NRL players that can make a difference to the team??? FFS which is it the coach or the players?

Saints get a new cach this year.. surely that coach could be someone who will get that team even better and destroy the rest..
How about if Richard Agar gets binned and a new coach goes in there?? stranger things have happened..
Mick Potter this great coach at catalans goes to Bradford and totaly changes them around..

That is th coaching analogy if you believe that Catalans can be turned around by the coach.. all the above can too especailly Bradford and Saints who we know are getting two new coaches let along anyone else who changes in the summer..

Players wise.. is it only the NRL players that can change a team around??? not a chance.. there are some great talents that can move and make a huge difference in the summer..
LMS would make a big differene to saints who seem to have little behind their 2 main front rowers..
Shenton, Westerman may leav cas and could fill in the final missing peices in jugsaws
Mathers if cas can keep a few other players could pull them up a few places.. a challenging cas could cause some upsets upsets that change the look of the top 6
Hull only need 1 or two good players in depth to cause major issues same with KR all of which can be found int he super league..

the NRL is not the holy grail. there are a good few clubs that just need depth of talent and that is in the super league already that can be moved around.. leeds have faltered becuase they have been a bit poor but also due to injuries and those below the first team not being ready or good enough, good enough can be solved with a couple of signing, ready is being solved as they play more..

It s not a done deal by any strecth.. these players MIGHT make the team stronger if they gel well, if they are fit and if they want to play (all big ifs.. what if one gets injured at the end of hte NRL season for the year?) teams with top players dont always win championships.. look at melbourne who lost grand finals..

Yes they should be stronger but they are by no means a shoe in for a place in the grand final let alone a championship.. lets see what all teams look like at the starting gun of next season before making stupid predictions otherwise it will be a long 5 match + play offs + offseason on this board

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 08:40 AM

QUOTE (MrPosh @ Jul 21 2010, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's not what you said before. There will be scores of better players than Finch and Lima available this year - although slightly less suited to Wigan's needs.


You mean that don't want to go to Wigan.
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 08:33 PM

QUOTE (Derwent @ Jul 20 2010, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe Wigan only wanted him on a one year deal as they have Gareth Hock returning in 2012 ?


Quote was from Hoffman himself.

Hock is/was a better player than Hoffman however and is a homegrown player.

QUOTE (Wendall @ Jul 21 2010, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Next year we will have an even stronger Warrington Wolves with Hodgson at fb and all the young guns will have matured more.


Hodgson is the most over-rated player in SL.

And im including Chris Flannery in that category, mind you.. to suggest flannery can play is over-rating him!

#132 ParisSurtout

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 10:15 PM

QUOTE (RP London @ Jul 22 2010, 03:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So its only NRL players that can make a difference to the team??? FFS which is it the coach or the players?

Saints get a new cach this year.. surely that coach could be someone who will get that team even better and destroy the rest..
How about if Richard Agar gets binned and a new coach goes in there?? stranger things have happened..
Mick Potter this great coach at catalans goes to Bradford and totaly changes them around..

That is th coaching analogy if you believe that Catalans can be turned around by the coach.. all the above can too especailly Bradford and Saints who we know are getting two new coaches let along anyone else who changes in the summer..

Players wise.. is it only the NRL players that can change a team around??? not a chance.. there are some great talents that can move and make a huge difference in the summer..
LMS would make a big differene to saints who seem to have little behind their 2 main front rowers..
Shenton, Westerman may leav cas and could fill in the final missing peices in jugsaws
Mathers if cas can keep a few other players could pull them up a few places.. a challenging cas could cause some upsets upsets that change the look of the top 6
Hull only need 1 or two good players in depth to cause major issues same with KR all of which can be found int he super league..

the NRL is not the holy grail. there are a good few clubs that just need depth of talent and that is in the super league already that can be moved around.. leeds have faltered becuase they have been a bit poor but also due to injuries and those below the first team not being ready or good enough, good enough can be solved with a couple of signing, ready is being solved as they play more..

It s not a done deal by any strecth.. these players MIGHT make the team stronger if they gel well, if they are fit and if they want to play (all big ifs.. what if one gets injured at the end of hte NRL season for the year?) teams with top players dont always win championships.. look at melbourne who lost grand finals..

Yes they should be stronger but they are by no means a shoe in for a place in the grand final let alone a championship.. lets see what all teams look like at the starting gun of next season before making stupid predictions otherwise it will be a long 5 match + play offs + offseason on this board


Royce Simmons is an unknown quantity. He could turn out to be good, We don't know. Michael McGuire has turned out to be a great coach. I predict that with the increased firepower from Melbourne, Wigan will smash all opposition next year. Only Warrington, St Helens and Leeds have the talent to get close to them.

I am not completely happy about this, because it is not good for Super League to have one club too dominant.

Edited by ParisSurtout, 22 July 2010 - 10:16 PM.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 11:13 AM

If Inglis doesn't go to Brisbane then one of the big four will probably have to leave.
Smith is their captain and very unlikely to depart.
Cronk is their mid field hub with Smith and they'll have a new 6 in Widdop so again unlikely Cronk will leave.
So that leaves Billy boy!

Wherever he goes it will be on a 2-3 year deal and he's 27. He may go to AFL, Union or SL.

Another option maybe is that a SL club will offer him a one year deal which would enable him go back to the Storm for 2012 when the new TV deal and it's revenue comes in. If that's the case then Melbourne and Billy would need to have it worked out with a club and coach they know and know they can trust.
That club would of course have to have an overseas quota spot available and salary cap space to spare.
Would be some signing, if only for a year, would Billy Slater!

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 03:35 PM

QUOTE (Father Ted @ Jul 23 2010, 07:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If Inglis doesn't go to Brisbane then one of the big four will probably have to leave.
Smith is their captain and very unlikely to depart.
Cronk is their mid field hub with Smith and they'll have a new 6 in Widdop so again unlikely Cronk will leave.
So that leaves Billy boy!

Wherever he goes it will be on a 2-3 year deal and he's 27. He may go to AFL, Union or SL.

Another option maybe is that a SL club will offer him a one year deal which would enable him go back to the Storm for 2012 when the new TV deal and it's revenue comes in. If that's the case then Melbourne and Billy would need to have it worked out with a club and coach they know and know they can trust.
That club would of course have to have an overseas quota spot available and salary cap space to spare.
Would be some signing, if only for a year, would Billy Slater!



Inglis wants to go to Brisbane to be near his sweetheart Sally. He is waiting on Melbourne's decision whether or not they will release him. If they do release Inglis then it means that nobody else other than Inglis needs to be released. If they don't release Inglis then it means that they can fit all Big Four inside their salary cap.

Either way, Bill Slater will not be coming to Super League, nor going to any other NRL club.

Edited by ParisSurtout, 23 July 2010 - 03:39 PM.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 03:44 PM

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Jul 23 2010, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Inglis wants to go to Brisbane to be near his sweetheart Sally. He is waiting on Melbourne's decision whether or not they will release him. If they do release Inglis then it means that nobody else other than Inglis needs to be released. If they don't release Inglis then it means that they can fit all Big Four inside their salary cap.

Either way, Bill Slater will not be coming to Super League, nor going to any other NRL club.

I don't care about Inglis, or Billy F***ing Slater.

Will you p!ss off somewhere else with your NRL drivel?

Go away.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 03:53 PM

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Jul 23 2010, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Inglis wants to go to Brisbane to be near his sweetheart Sally. He is waiting on Melbourne's decision whether or not they will release him. If they do release Inglis then it means that nobody else other than Inglis needs to be released. If they don't release Inglis then it means that they can fit all Big Four inside their salary cap.

Either way, Bill Slater will not be coming to Super League, nor going to any other NRL club.




and of that i'm glad.

the sooner no imports come to these shores the better.

no go on the NRL forum and get your tissue's out.


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Posted 23 July 2010 - 04:02 PM

I think PS is making a reasonable point insofar as these are proven performers, and winners, in positions where Wigan are weak, replacing worse players and thus improving the top team in the league. Equally, any predictions at this stage as to others strengths are hostages to fortune. At this point, they look like excellent no risk signings. 2012 was always going to be a big year for us with Fielden and Feca's money largely off the wage bill.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 04:04 PM

QUOTE (Exiled Wiganer @ Jul 23 2010, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think PS is making a reasonable point insofar as these are proven performers, and winners, in positions where Wigan are weak, replacing worse players and thus improving the top team in the league. Equally, any predictions at this stage as to others strengths are hostages to fortune. At this point, they look like excellent no risk signings. 2012 was always going to be a big year for us with Fielden and Feca's money largely off the wage bill.




Yes i agree on the improvement / no risk for Wigan....but PS is a total bore, either french this or aussies.

the day there are no imports the day i'll be happy.


I just wish every club had a youth policy like the pies.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 04:59 PM

I long for the day there are no more average Aussies. Phelps or Charnley? Sam or Tim Smith? That level of recruit makes my blood literally boil. Watching Jamie Lyon from behind a pillow on the sofa is something that lifts the heart - we should have more of those (not that there are many).
I wish more teams had entertainer type players - Willie Manus, Fecas (though he is overall a liability, he certainly provides brief bursts of entertainment). Let's have more Fijians and razzle dazzle players to supplement our own increasing numbers of talented yoofs.

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 09:06 PM

QUOTE (Exiled Wiganer @ Jul 23 2010, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think PS is making a reasonable point insofar as these are proven performers, and winners, in positions where Wigan are weak, replacing worse players and thus improving the top team in the league. Equally, any predictions at this stage as to others strengths are hostages to fortune. At this point, they look like excellent no risk signings. 2012 was always going to be a big year for us with Fielden and Feca's money largely off the wage bill.


absolutely, i seem to have heard it all before though...oh, wait, i know where...

QUOTE (Exiled Wiganer @ Apr 26 2007, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe so, but Coley for Hill makes us stronger, so he's not a bonkers signing. Next year, O'Carroll will be a year older and we have plenty money freed up with DV and Fletcher off the pay roll, so it will be a chance for us to get a grafter plus a strike centre. Plus, we have talent in our table topping academy teams to bring through... all in all, things could come together pretty well.





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