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  1. First I would love to see money pumped into the game in Europe. As for national teams attracting fans players and media... National pride is a given no matter which country... the game is virtually unknown in Europe. No TV coverage of Super League or the NRL. Outside the small group of enthusiastic volunteers in each country, and its a very small group, no one knows the game.At least clubs could build into their communities were national sides would disappear behind other established sports. NFL pumped millions into the Euro League, attracted live TV, big crowds (Amsterdam around 25 - 30,000 in its peak. The German sides even more) great media coverage and still after a few years pulled the plug. If a massive sport like NFL, who know how to promote themselves couldnt survive how does one expect League to even make a dent. Guess your not from Europe.. If you speak English there are not many countries you will have language problems in. As for moving away from family and friends there has been plenty of young very talented Aussie and Kiwi guys playing in Europe for the travel and the experience. Give them a semi pro contract and you can then attract higher quality. I nearly had a kid who had just been released by St George come over this year. Imagine what the locals could have learned playing and training alongside him. If the comp is "National teams" those opportunities will not be available. To run a semi pro team you need income via sponsorship, gate receipts, sales or investment. In a saturated market that would be difficult if your playing a small sport with a group of unknowns and your up against numerous other sports that are well established. You have a massive task. Government funding is hard to come by, even government recognition in a lot of nations due to the game not being recognised by the GIASF, even though attempts are being made. As for a long term strategy I agree... That's what the European Championship is turning into with more countries now competing. Its taken 17 years to get to where it is today yet people seem to think turn these guys into semi pros and interest and investment in the game will come. Just look at Scarborough Pirates, Kent Invicta, Hemel Stags, Carlisle etc etc . They had the benefit of the game being known in the UK. They had the benefit of having decent players with basic rugby skills. They didn't survive long in the semi pro game yet people think Europe, with no or very little League background, can sustain a continent wide, 10 club /nation competition. Again be it National teams or club teams someone is either going to have to find a millionaire invester or grow a money tree and anyone who has done the hard yards in Europe will tell you neither have been found so far. I would love to see the Netherlands v Serbia playing before a 20,000 crowd in Feyenoord stadium beamed live into 20 nations but will have to settle for 400 on a local park being filmed on a video recorder and uploaded to YouTube for a long time yet. But hey you gotta have ambitions.
  2. I started to respond to all you points then thought why bother because without massive investment it aint gonna happen anyway. IF your going to attract investers (and media) you need a product that is going to appeal and believe me this idea would be a hard hard sell.. Sorry in my view ..and its just my pesonal view after being involved in the game in Europe for nearly twenty years ...that having a Euro (Nations) XIII would take another twenty years to even get to Low level NCL league standard ...semi pro or not. and a massive amount of money that the game just does not have. It would take private investment and who would want to throw huge amounts of money at such a low level of the game ? . Its great people are coming up with ideas ..fantastic.... but the reality will hit if you do the math,even a rough calculation. The open poster is talking ten clubs of 20 players ....200 semi pro players who then have to also take time of work to travel. Then add the support staff . The logistic,the costs with travel, accomodation, wages, staging of games etc etc would be huge .Belgrade to Valencia,Oslo to Venice,Athens to Prauge..all a minimum of an overnight stay if flying .Bit different and a lot more expensive than going from Keighley to Workington. If anyone knows who would like to throw a few million quid ( a year !!!) at this, ask them to phone the RLEF or the guys looking to push Euro XIII. Good luck .
  3. So what do we do with the Aussies, Samoans, Fijans, Irish Welsh English Kiwi players who have been raising the standards in the local Dutch competition for the past five years.... for example? Their presence alongside the locals has seen the National side improve to an extend they went to a half decent Germany last year and won by a record score. If we went to national teams for this Euro XIII, as you suggest, then in my opinion you are taking away a valuable development tool which is experienced players leading the locals on the park. 20 Dutchman running around with no leadership, no matter how good the coaching, would take 20 years to get up to even lower NCL standard. The reason the national side has improved is because of playing and training along side "league guys" week in week out for Den Haag, Amsterdam or Rotterdam. Not top class players either but just guys who are more knowledgeable about the onfield game. Take that away and fill the Euro XIII with players who only qualify to play for their country and you would soon see a drop in standard's of the (National) Euro XIII team. The level of MOST European national sides is park level at best... That's not being disrespectful that's being honest. I reckon an other nationalities team made up of none Dutch players from the local comp would comfortably defeat the National side I'm not sure that would be of any benefit in trying to sell a competition to investors and the media. If it has any legs at all then this concept needs to be of a higher level than the current national teams. Adding four or five experienced draft players to clubs will raise standards all across the board and still allow the local players to continue improving through their "feeder" local comps until they reach the required standard. Just look at all the work Serbia has put in over the last 15 years. Must be 95% local players, making great strides at home and in lower RLEF competitions. The truth about their real standards hits home when they face experienced " league" nations. If Serbia, one of the continents success stories, still struggle at the next level, with only local players, then how many years and how much investment do you think your proposals would take to lift a Nations Euro XIII to a level to even match say the Cumberland League or North West Counties Premier ?? Not being negetive not knocking your well thought out ideas. Just putting it out there.
  4. Talking names... Ian McQuorcodale, Ian Thompson, Ian Rudd, Ian Wright.. Workington Town back line in the late 70s and Ian Hartley in the forwards. Got a bit confusing who the coach was shouting at
  5. Is watch nrl geo blocked in Canada?? Worth the pennies.
  6. RLEF has its membership and all domestic competitions are ran under the governance of the RLEF. If we didn't have this body in place to control what is happening, then all kinds of competitions would be popping up. Look at the rival Italian groups a few years ago and more recently the split in Greece or even World Rugby and the trouble they caused. You NEED a governing body to sanction competitions. As this proposal includes clubs affiliated to the RLEF through their national bodies and is planned to be a Euro wide competition its obvious why the RLEF should be involved in some capacity. Maybe if Euro XIII had approached( and outlined their business plan and ideas to) the RLEF before going public then what seems like becoming a ###### for tat public fall out could have been avoided. Who knows, both parties could have come to some agreement that would have benefited everyone.
  7. If you check back you actually started a thread about a European club competition a few weeks ago that was a RLEF / Red Star concept so how can you now say they have done nothing in setting up a European league ???
  8. That will be due to the fact that it's Red Star Belgrade and RLEF board member Colin Kleyweg who are behind the other proposal. Now is not the time to distance themselves without even talking to the Euro XIII group and trying to get everyone singing of the same song sheet. How often do we see the game being held back due to the inability to bring all ideas to the table and discussing compromise for the good of the game
  9. In 17 years the RLEF has grown its membership from nine to now playing the game at some level in over 20 European countries, plus the African and American nations that fall under their umbrella. They have secured Erasmus funding which in turn has led to grants towards development of coaches and referees throughout Europe. They have created a meaningful international calander with promotion and relegation and given developing countries like Greece a pathway into the World Cup final stages. I attended the meeting in Paris in 2003 when the RLEF was formed and to say they have "done nothing" shows how much you know about what is going on at grassroots level on the continent. Representatives attended that inaugural meeting from rugby league organisations in Morocco, the Netherlands, Italy, Serbia, Russia, Lebanon, Ireland, Scotland and Wales. With very little funding the RLEF has done well to get where it is today and for them to be looking at a professional game (before this Spanish /Italian concept arose) involving European Clubs shows they are still pushing forward. What we need now is for all parties to get together and work out how they can progress as a group to bring these ideas into a reality. What the game doesn't need is another split due to personal egos. PS. I have had many a run in with the RLEF but credit must be given when due.
  10. Eddie the lady in question did infact play in the mens competition a couple of years back for Harderwijk Dolphins. Despite a lot of objections from the other (male) players ,due to them seeing it as a health risk for her, Steph took her case to the RLEF and was granted permission to play. Strange one that !! She is now the secretary of the NRLB (Nederlandse Rugby League Bond) and co-founder of Zwolle Wolves. I dont think she has any more ambitions to play in the mens competition because it has developed physically into a decent comp and she is now way out of her comfort zone. Great lass and 150% RL.
  11. For you Northern folk Sv-woo-la I live in the Netherlands for over twenty years.
  12. Not disputing any of that. But why as a subscriber to RL World can I not access the article in TR Premier. Do I have to register or something??
  13. Eddie do you use the same log in for the Premium as you do for the forum ? I thought if I subscribed to the magazine I could also see the Premium content but I am locked out with my forum log in and my email (which it asked for ) .
  14. I subscribe for RL world (digital) and I am still waiting for March edition to arrive on my Kindle. Never complained.. Strange times we are living in.. Everything running late or held up.. Understandable.. So if I subscribe to a copy of digital RL World am I allowed to read Premium TR reports because neither my forum name nor my email will let me access the premium content, or am I expected to pay twice??
  15. Hmmmm .. heartlands news available to read....Development news behind a Premium pay wall and then we ask why we struggle to spread the game.
  16. Flew into Oslo on sunday ...had a check at immigration (never ever had to go through immigration before in my ten years working in Norway) quick check ..well slow check really ..45 minutes to an hour..and I am allowed through. Checking the international flights being allowed into Norway and it seems Amsterdam,London,Stockholm and Copenhagen are the only ones .Why I have no idea. Before entering baggage reclaim I then have a temperature check and a few questions regarding my well being from a doctor and thats it Im free to carry on. Collected a company car parked in the car park drove a little over four hours to a rather isolated hotel where myself and six Polish workers (who came in by ferry and road through Germany,Denmark and Sweden) will now sit in Quarantine for 14 days. If we are clear we then resume work on 4th May. I am not sure in anyone is actually checking we do the 14 days quarantine and travelling through Oslo city on the way down here it was a cross between the Oslo Marathon,Tour de Norway and Crufts dog show .....there were that many people out enjoying the sun along the fjord side. But Norway has seemed to have handled the situation pretty well,schools are opening up and people are allowed to travel to their mountain cabins from yesterday. Workers are being allowed to re enter the country (under rules) but its going to be a while before I get home. usually work 14 days on 14 days home but due to the 14 days quarantine regulations I am not allowed to leave the country or I have to start over . So its looks like I will get 14 days holiday in Norway at the company expense after every 14 day rota until they relax the quarantine rules. See how it goes .
  17. What a Nation wide tournament that was. North Wales Coasters played in it one year (did it only run for one year ??) and if I remember Ray French was guest of honour . Did Lionel Hurst not have something to do with organizing it?? I have a tournament programme at home (curently back in Norway working) and a map shows development teams from all over England and Wales. Of the top of my head (apart from Essex Scimitars and North Wales Coasters), I can remember Garibaldi (Mansfield area) Aberavon,Crewe and Nantwich and Carlisle and Birmingham....going to have to check when I get home.
  18. As in top class but plenty of grass roots work taking place : Chile 54-8 Brazil (Los Ángeles, Chile; 17 November 2017) Biggest win Brazil 54-12 Colombia (Sao Paulo, Brazil; 23 November 2018) Biggest defeat Chile 54-8 Brazil (Los Ángeles, Chile; 17 November 2017)
  19. Singapore Workington, Whitehaven and Barrow in the top flight.
  20. I know but the history of events that I describe, payment to players by mill owners, Lancashire threatening a break away, Old Etonians trying to ban Blackburn, amateurish v professionalism, the shift of power from the South to the North is all true. This meant that the mill towns that are mentioned as being close to Wigan but being soccer towns have a long history of the round ball even before the 1895 Rugby split.
  21. Has anyone watched The English Game on Netflix? It may give you an insight into why the Lancashire Mill towns are soccer rather than rugby. Very similar story to the 1895 break away by the Northern Union. Working class clubs paying players.Darwen one of the first. . Old Etonians (the then FA) trying to ban the likes of Blackburn from the FA Cup. The difference I suppose is the FA backed down to the Lancashire FA threat of a break away competition whilst the rugby union didn't. So the mill owners were cleared to pay players and Blackburn went onto dominated the FA Cup for a few years. Next up the Black Country working class teams followed and the power was taken away from the Public Schools in London and shifted north.
  22. I know nowt about the finances of Red Star, Prague, Oslo etc etc but I would hazard a guess I have a little more insight into how European rugby is ticking along than you think. I also have a bit of reality in my mind set. Estimates are based on actual costs at todays prices using Amsterdam as an example. Oh and I do know the financial situation of all of the Dutch clubs and I'm 95% sure most of the other clubs in Europe are in a similar situation. Like you, just putting an opinion over. You disagree.... that's what these boards are about. Opinions
  23. The reality is unless someone comes along with a big,big and I mean Massive bag of money not one of the above mentioned clubs could even afford the estimated 30,000 euro (minimum) a year travel / accomodation expenses .This is based on four away games to their nearest rivals. Fly in friday evening,one nights hotel and fly out within two or three hours after the game . Then if they are looking to make it a semi pro competition you have players wages,loss of earnings to factor in. Pay a minimum squad of twenty players 150 euro per game then thats a wage bill of 21,000 with another 25-30% on top for tax insurance etc etc . Now we are up to an estimate of plus 51,000 a year. Add on the cost of putting on three home fixtures and your topping 60,000 euro Minimum per club !!!! So based on those minimum figures x seven clubs @ 420,000 euro a year to set up This is a massive undertaking. Impossible dream and the figures just dont add up. The Balkan SL was a brave step forward but even as a regional league it has retracted rather than expanded. The Turkish,Greek,Italian,Albanian,two Bosnian and even two Belgrade clubs seem to have left the competition. Main factor ?? MONEY or lack of it . If a regional competition falters after two seasons I just cant see a European wide competition at this level taking off. To much expense, to many logistics and not enough quality to attract sufficent sponsorship.
  24. 84/85 season Friday 29th March Castleford away Sunday 31st March Oldham away Friday 5th April Barrow home Monday 8th April Hull KR away Thursday 11th April Leigh home Sunday 14th April Warrington home Wednesday 17th April Widnes home Friday 19th April Saints home Saturday 20th April Hull home As Marauder said on "top of a full shift" . Crazy fixture list due to a bad winter but we just got on with it. Hull FC in the last game was 18 - 64 as we were well shot by then . Nine games in 23 days !!!!
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