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Widnes 0-22 in front...

Where you getting the info from ..is it live somewhere? Checked Radio Cumbria but nowt....

Half time Barrow 0 Widnes 16 Widnes three tries in 7 minutes.(20-27 minutes from 0-0 to 0-16) From Radio Liverpool. Promised some commentary from Barrow later on....don't know what I'm listening to but its all league.

News and Star have it confirmed STOKES SACKED

Doing some "back in time" at the moment. Great band from Coventry who didnt go as good as they should have in the 80's earl 90's The Primatives

At Alt Park,Huyton .. very true and also very very funny..

Richard gets the credit for that Keith not me . If you take a look at some of the old clips on that site there are some real gems of Workington in its industrial heyday.

Uddersfield Nowt rang wit lingo.

Peter Walsh's side v Dewsbury

Money to be made at that photography game. The local supermarket here in Holland had some promotion for a photo session with a pro snapper. Ten minutes clicking away then a week later charging over 250 euro for a set of 12 different sized prints. You didnt have to buy them all but even a 6x4 was 25 euro. Got myself a 100 euros worth mind you Dutch shoot When I went back home this week my mother had won a photo shoot in a raffle with one picture free....again ten minutes of click click click and a load of photo's ranging from 25 pounds to over 120 pound (canvas). Because we had just spent money a month earlier on the dutch ones we could not afford to take any apart from the freebie..the photographer didnt seem to pleased about that mind you but hey it was a prize and despite pressure to buy more we declined......but big bucks can be made by the sounds of it. English shoot

"the super league is about licence and having to meet criterias.' Saints do not seem to have met this ..if the new stadium is not finished before the next licence applications....time to go.... Ok Cas or Wakey or even Bradford may have the same problem..hang on we are going to play at Hillsboro.Elland Road,Oakwell while our new" road and roundabout " are being built......Stadium ...Oh that will come later...ALL CLUBS knew they had to meet certain criteria in a certain period of time or lose their licence....it seems to me Saints can not (as yet) do this.

I remember Town v Carlisle home game (on an evening ??) when nearly 6,000 went through the gate ..Cocky Robinson stole the show. I didnt have many years in the lower division as Town farmed me out to Whitehaven or Barrow on loan everytime we went down and they went up ...strange situation but Tommy Bishop was not my favourite coach.

Would that be a gas lamp Keith

Forgot Billy Pat (Cockermouth) and Derek Mcmillan (Kells) who was injured. Not really being harsh, I was just pointing out what a load of young local kids could achieve.The 5-2 win at Barrow in the semi final was fantastic The team of the 76,77 and 78 Lancashire cup finals was being broken up. Peter and Les Gorley,Eddie Bowman,Bobby Blackwood,Rizzo,Taff Wilkins,Ian Wright had all moved on or retired and for a side like the one mentioned, full of young guys plucked out of the local amateurs, to take on the mighty Widnes and just lose 11-0 (Fluke Dave Moran try of a Mick Adams bomb) was a credit to the team and CARLA. 10-0 at half time and the only score in the second half was a drop goal from Keith Elwell (I think). Widnes won the Lancs cup,Wembley,Floodlit and premiership that season. Town began their yo yo years

Seaton is a village in its own right. As dkw states only Salterbeck are based in the town and over the last 20 odd years they had only two more I can think off,Westfiled and Derwent Park Rangers (youth age groups.) Whitehaven have had more success but still only have two clubs actually in the town Hensingham and Kells. Smith Brothers,Mirehouse,Corckickle have all come and gone as have village teams such as Dearham,St Bees,Brigham(Twinames),Broughton Moor,Dalston (and a host of other Carlisle based clubs who went into the CARLA divisions) Aspatria and Penrith of the top of my head. Still the traditional well established clubs like Kells,Wath Brow,Egremont,Broughton,Maryport.Glasson and Hensingham have (and still are) producing top class amateur players that if they had a higher level of local proffesional teams to look to would not be moving out of the county. I would say the last real succesful "local pro" side was the town team of the late seventies who held their own in the top flight for four or five years and boasted 95% local players. In the 79 Lancashire cup final (fourth in four years) against Widnes (Cup kings at the time) only Harry Beverley and Iain McCourcadale did not come from the local amatuer scene. 1.Charlo (Kells) 2.Corkey (Oldham RU??) 3.Kevin Maughan (Red Rose) 4.Tomo (Red Rose) 5 Becky (Clifton) 6.Chuddy (W.Brow) 7.Boxer (Kells) 8.Bev (Dewsbury) 9.Banksy (Egremont) 10.Gary Wallbanks (Red Rose) 11.Ray Lewis(Hensingham??) 12.Ian Hartley (Egremont) 13.Dobie (Red Rose) 14 Sol (Kells??) 15 Varty (Red Rose) Maughan,Tomo,Chuddy,Becky,Wallbanks,Lewy,Sol and Hartley would all be under 22 at the time. Its hard to see that type of local representation taking either Town or Haven to higher levels in the future.

Shaun, How many small towns like Maryport can sustain THREE top amateur clubs (and real clubs not just teams) plus a union club. I would reckon the Port has the most clubs compared to population anywhere in the UK. 11,275 residents in 2001 census.

Just been reading back through all of this. The thread is "Bad times in West Cumbria". This seems to have been once again turned into a merger thread. re name the thread "Bad times in West Cumbria at pro level" as the amateurs and juniors are doing very very well

You forgot the new "Teachers team" ...seems to me that the RFL are developing "Social league" before the main game.

Wow are you that old (young) Keith

The amateur scene (where most SL clubs get their talent from excluding the over the hill Aussie imports) is as strong as any in England (see a previous thread about how the young age groups are supplying championship winning sides) but as stated, the demise of both Town and Haven does not attract these youngsters into the local pro game.All they dream about is a SL contract and at the moment quite a few 18 & 19 year old's are at SL clubs. When I was 17 all I wanted to do was pull on a Town shirt ..now they want a Wigan or Bradford shirt. CARLA teams can mix it with the best its a crying shame that all the talent developed by these small village clubs are moving out of the county.

Is that right Dave?? Maybe thats why we lag so behind the major team sports in the UK. RFU Profit before tax increased from a loss of

Played for all three clubs Oh and Carlisle...all this talk of mergers and a Cumbrian SL team will only happen if 1.Town and Haven come to some realistic agreement. 2.Money is pumped into the area to stop all the top youth talent signing for out of county clubs. 3.Small minded fans (200 from each club) realise until they get their heads out of the sand the game at pro level is dead. 4.A neutral ground is developed 5.The RFL give West Cumbria the same development as Wales,France and London 6.Barrow realise they are still part fo Lancashire :D :D

The accounts show that in 2009 the RFL recorded a profit before tax of

Broughton Red Rose kid......Red Rose and Kells where the main clubs back when I was a boy to supply the local pro game. Good to see the local coaching once again bearing fruit.