Barley Mow
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4 minutes ago, north yorks trinity said:
I can see that as perhaps my biggest pet hate with RL over the years is constant changing of league structures and, worse still, doing it at short notice so the goals at the start of the season are invalid by the end of the season.
Out of interest because I can't be "asked" to research it myself who would be the most likely 14 based on IMG points?
I agree - I'm not a fan of the 'ranking gets you a place in Super League' aspect of the IMG set up (but I do think it's good to have them on board for their expertise in social media engagement, promoting the game, etc), but we've gone with this system and we really should give it a chance before abandoning yet another structure.
My guess for the top 14 grades by the end of the season is:
Leeds
Wigan
Saints
Catalans
Hull KR
Warrington
Hull FC
Leigh
Wakefield
Castleford
Huddersfield
Toulouse
Salford
Bradford or York
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1 minute ago, Just Browny said:
I offered up my 14; happy to listen to yours.
My preference in general would be to promote based on on-field performance (subject to minimum standards).
But the clubs started this season under the understanding that any movement between SL and Championship would be based on IMG rankings - so if it was 14 in SL next year I think it would only be fair to base it on those grades.
I simply can't see any justification for adding three teams that we (or those running the RFL) just have a personal preference for - there has to be some sort of objective assessment and ranking of the clubs (whether on-field based or IMG style).
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32 minutes ago, Just Browny said:
Go on then, let's be bold. If it's a 14 team league*, mine would be:
- The current 12 minus Salford.
- York
- Toulouse
- London
With an offer to Bradford to come in as soon as they can offer Super League level facilities.
I think all of the risks of moving to a 14-team league have been set out. There isn't enough money and the teams who come in will be facing a Mount Pleasant-style uphill battle to get a competitive team on the field. But at least those three bring geographical spread, city clubs, and good facilities to the competition and represent a bold statement about what we want to be as a competition.
Surely if there is a move to a 14 team SL the teams moving up should/will be based on either the IMG grades or Championship league position/grand final win?
Do we really expect (or advocate) it being "I like clubs X, Y & Z; we'll put them in"?
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Goole Vikings v Whitehaven by 10
North Wales Crusaders v Dewsbury Rams by 4
Swinton Lions v Newcastle Thunder by 22
Workington Town v Midlands Hurricanes by 1-
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Hunslet v Featherstone Rovers by 14
Halifax Panthers v Toulouse Olympique by 2
London Broncos v Doncaster by 4
Barrow Raiders v Batley Bulldogs by 8
Oldham v Sheffield Eagles by 12
York Knights v Bradford Bulls by 2 -
1. Will Adam Keighran kick more goals on Friday than Jake Connor? No
2. Will Hull FC beat Wakefield on Thursday? No
3. Will Hull KR score more points than Warrington on Saturday? No
4. Will any individual player score three or more tries in the Championship this weekend? No
5. Will there be more than 1 away win in League 1 this week? No
Tie-breaker - What will the attendance be at Headingley on Friday? 16,600
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1 minute ago, Harry Stottle said:
You don't think the Castleford club prioritised on their IMG grading criteria? at the of '23 they were a favourite to be overtook on gradings and may have lost their SL standing, at the end of '24 they become a Grade A, along with being one of the worst performers in SL which is still evident today with their on field results.
They do seem to have spent money on off-field things that increased their IMG points and as far as I'm aware at least some of that money may have been used as part of the player budget had they not done so.
My point was simply that in deciding to take that approach you would expect them to moderate their expectations for the team on-field and consequently for the coach who is leading it.
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1. Will Adam Keighran kick more goals on Friday than Jake Connor?
2. Will Hull FC beat Wakefield on Thursday?
3. Will Hull KR score more points than Warrington on Saturday?
4. Will any individual player score three or more tries in the Championship this weekend?
5. Will there be more than 1 away win in League 1 this week?
Tie-breaker - What will the attendance be at Headingley on Friday?
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1 hour ago, Harry Stottle said:
Well someone had to say it so may as well be me.
I firmly believe that Cas threw all available monies into the IMG grading criteria last season instead of team building, McGuire as any coach who would have been appointed was on a hiding to nothing.
If this is what they've done, then you would hope they would recognise it in assessing the coach's performance and deciding whether to sack him or not.
It's acceptable to choose to prioritise one thing over another, but that's bound to have an impact on whatever you don't prioritise and you'd hope a club would be aware of that in advance.
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This week's results -
1. @Barley Mow 3 from 5 - 2 out on the tie-break
2. @sam4731 3 from 5 - 6 out on the tie-break
3. @N2022 2 from 5 - 20 out on the tie-break
4. @daz39 2 from 5 - 21 out on the tie-break
5. @hunsletgreenandgold 1 from 5 - 34 out on the tie-break
I'll set this week's questions asap.
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4 minutes ago, Eddie said:
There’s no time to fit it in with the club season.
They worked a gap into this season for it (or some other representative game) before deciding it wouldn't go ahead.
consequently SL round 20 at the end of this month has been split over two weeks to fill the gap in the schedule - 3 games in each week.
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59 minutes ago, Harry Stottle said:
Why is Oldham not playing at Home?
I think it's because of work to the pitch at Boundary Park - like we see with a few other clubs this time of year.
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Agreed - all too close for me to call.
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Indicate above or not:
1. The number of tries Salford will score against Warrington NOT
2. The number of goals Chris Atkin will score against Huddersfield (conversions, penalties and drop goals) ABOVE
3. Leigh's SL points difference for the season following their match against Wigan NOT
4. The number of teams based outside Yorkshire winning their game in the Championship this week ABOVE
5. Number of home wins in League 1 this week ABOVE
Tie-breaker - How many tries will be scored in total across Super League, Championship and League 1 this week? 96
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3rd-6th July
Will the correct answer to each question be above or not above 2?
Indicate above or not:
1. The number of tries Salford will score against Warrington
2. The number of goals Chris Atkin will score against Huddersfield (conversions, penalties and drop goals)
3. Leigh's SL points difference for the season following their match against Wigan
4. The number of teams based outside Yorkshire winning their game in the Championship this week
5. Number of home wins in League 1 this week
Tie-breaker - How many tries will be scored in total across Super League, Championship and League 1 this week?
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The results -
@Barley Mow - 4 out of 5 (191 out on the tie-break)
@N2022 (with or without a little extra knowledge!) - 4 out of 5 (1,297 out on tie-break)
@hunsletgreenandgold - 3 out of 5 (901 out)
@sam4731 - 2 out of 5 (104 out)
So it'll be me to set the questions again this week, which I'll do once a get time.
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4 hours ago, Spotty Herbert said:
Being born in England makes you de facto English. As far as I know, that is a world wide recognition of nationality (unless you were born in the USA and are part of an ethnic group that Donald doesn't like).
As things stand if you were born in the USA you automatically get US citizenship - that's the same for most of the Western Hemisphere (citizenship based on places of birth).
However in Europe, Asia, Africa and Oceania it's much more common for that not to be the case and you inherit the same citizenship as your parents no matter where you're born (this is how British citizenship works).
Citizenship of course isn't relevant to RL international qualification, but place of birth is despite quirks that result (Iro and Walker for example).
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On 29/06/2025 at 12:58, NRLandSL said:
Great too see, such a talent. York is a great move, he should get the starting a fullback spot and really make a name for himself.
York fans rave about Mata'afa at fullback and he's looked good when I've seen him - Rostang will have to go some to replace him, and I assume Harris and Hingano will still be first choice halves for the foreseeable future too.
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Last call for this week before this evening's matches.
@Northern Eel @JonM @Taffy Tiger @EagleEyePie @N2022 @daz39 @Hanover XIII and anyone else.
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1. Will Leigh beat Leeds? No
2. Will Hull KR score more points than Wigan? Yes
3. Will there be a red card in Super League this week? No
4. Will Toulouse score more than 30 points? No
5. Will Hunslet score more than 18 points? Yes
Tie breaker: predict the crowd at the Warrington v Hull FC game. 10,012
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Widnes Vikings v Toulouse Olympique by 16
Barrow Raiders v Bradford Bulls by 6
Batley Bulldogs v Sheffield Eagles by 4
Halifax Panthers v Oldham by 14
Hunslet v London Broncos by 8
York Knights v Featherstone Rovers by 2-
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I'm not claiming to have won this last time out, and haven't bothered working out who did - but I thought it was worth resurrecting it this week after a week off before it falls by the wayside.
This week:
1. Will Leigh beat Leeds?
2. Will Hull KR score more points than Wigan?
3. Will there be a red card in Super League this week?
4. Will Toulouse score more than 30 points?
5. Will Hunslet score more than 18 points?
Tie breaker: predict the crowd at the Warrington v Hull FC game.
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17 hours ago, Spidey said:
I assume £150k championship funding is a Bulls only payment? Didn’t think there was that much money about
Yes, it would be a 'Bradford only' amount - from the current season all clubs in the Championship (and L1) receive different amounts of central funding based on the ranking of their IMG score.
I assume a figure in the region of £150k is what a club in 1st/2nd place amongst the Championship clubs received. It will drop off significantly as we move down the IMG 'league table'.
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1 minute ago, Toon22 said:
See Salford fans are trying raise money to become a fan owed club.
Rumors this would cost 2 million to buy, but the debt is around 3 million. Plus?
How would fans raise this money and whst would be a competitive playing budget next season in championship?
Weren't they supposed to be a fan owned club until a couple of months ago?
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14 team SL a possibility next season
in The General Rugby League Forum
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I still wouldn't rule out Salford having more points than Toulouse unless some sort of extra sanctions are imposed on them.