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Every time I watch, and I watch often, I'm convinced we're not going to win ...

 

Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. (Terry Pratchett)

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Went to my first baseball game when Coventry Bears played the Wolfpack. Not sure who the Blue Jays played that day and I had no idea what was going on on the field. Followed that up with a visit to Co

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Bless. I assume you're talking about the MLB World Series. In which case, the Dodgers beat the Rays in 6. The Korea Series is ongoing. With the NC Dinos awaiting the qualifier in the final s

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This is true. Unfortunately, as the Cubs were uniformly awful for much of that time, even our compilations of best bits tend to end in defeat. Aside from 2016, where I've watched Game 7 again recently

Father Gascoigne

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Been following the Yankees since 2017. Watched about 10 regular season games this season, with the rest through highlights. Really enjoyed watching the Yankees playoff run but haven't had the stomach to watch a single minute of the World Series. 

Expected the worst, and the worst has duly delivered.

The fact I haven't watched a minute proves I'm no baseball tragic yet, but unexpectedly it's put me in a mood on par with watching Australia lose to England in the Ashes. 

At least it's not the Mets I suppose. 

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On 29/10/2024 at 10:22, Father Gascoigne said:

Been following the Yankees since 2017. Watched about 10 regular season games this season, with the rest through highlights. Really enjoyed watching the Yankees playoff run but haven't had the stomach to watch a single minute of the World Series. 

Expected the worst, and the worst has duly delivered.

The fact I haven't watched a minute proves I'm no baseball tragic yet, but unexpectedly it's put me in a mood on par with watching Australia lose to England in the Ashes. 

At least it's not the Mets I suppose. 

At least it's not the Mets I suppose

Any self-respecting Rugby League follower should study the history of the club and it's touch-points with our sport. I was 16 when the Mets were formed and some of what went on had echoes of Ultimate Rugby (The Continental League) , Leigh and of course London Broncos. It took years and years before the Mets moved from laughing -stock "expansion" club to  mainstream and sustainable club.

More generally, there is so much our sport could learn/adopt from baseball to make the matchday experience more appealing to the younger sports fan.  From the season-opening pitcher ritual through the 7th inning stretch rendering of Take Me Out to the Ball Game and on to the extensive range of YouTube shorts (bloopers, worst forward passes, best goals..any combination of refs falling over etc.) Vegas should be the start , not the end, of this.

Let's get some FUN into our game, to really set us apart from union, dwile-flunking etc before terminal misery really does become the norm.

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18 hours ago, Cherry and White said:

I actually enjoyed that world series.

I don't much care for the Dodgers and I really don't much care for the Yankees - but it was a top drawer series. The only blowout was won by the team who then didn't take the title. Game 1 was a classic for the ages, and Game 5 had the drama.

And this moment will live for as long as sport lives.

 

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On 02/11/2024 at 20:21, JohnM said:

At least it's not the Mets I suppose

Any self-respecting Rugby League follower should study the history of the club and it's touch-points with our sport. I was 16 when the Mets were formed and some of what went on had echoes of Ultimate Rugby (The Continental League) , Leigh and of course London Broncos. It took years and years before the Mets moved from laughing -stock "expansion" club to  mainstream and sustainable club.

More generally, there is so much our sport could learn/adopt from baseball to make the matchday experience more appealing to the younger sports fan.  From the season-opening pitcher ritual through the 7th inning stretch rendering of Take Me Out to the Ball Game and on to the extensive range of YouTube shorts (bloopers, worst forward passes, best goals..any combination of refs falling over etc.) Vegas should be the start , not the end, of this.

Let's get some FUN into our game, to really set us apart from union, dwile-flunking etc before terminal misery really does become the norm.

The problem with it is that baseball was, for a century, the most popular sport in one of the most populous and richest countries in the world. It remains very popular, even if its dominance has been usurped. 

New York is a baseball city through-and-through, and as one of the two teams representing a city of 8 million, it was perhaps only a matter of time before the Mets overcame 'laughing-stock' status. 

Baseball has the kind of footing that RL in the UK doesn't, so a certain wariness is required when adopting aspects of fan culture that seem to work in that setting. 

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Hmmm. I'm not suggesting we all stand up and sing "Uncle Joe's Mint Balls set you all aglow" each time Marshall scores a try and it was more a  shed-load of money above everything that took the Mets from  laughing stock to mainstream. 

The fact remains that there ARE parallels and there ARE lessons to be learned.  Our sport needs to build it's own image if it is to break through with the future fans.

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11 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Hmmm. I'm not suggesting we all stand up and sing "Uncle Joe's Mint Balls set you all aglow" each time Marshall scores a try and it was more a  shed-load of money above everything that took the Mets from  laughing stock to mainstream. 

The fact remains that there ARE parallels and there ARE lessons to be learned.  Our sport needs to build it's own image if it is to break through with the future fans.

Lessons from baseball have already been learned ... by cricket.

It was watching baseball and how it presented itself that led to the marketing and presentation behind the (then) Twenty20 Cup.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/english-cricket-looks-to-baseball-for-inspiration-124269

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10 minutes ago, JohnM said:

Hmmm. I'm not suggesting we all stand up and sing "Uncle Joe's Mint Balls set you all aglow" each time Marshall scores a try and it was more a  shed-load of money above everything that took the Mets from  laughing stock to mainstream. 

The fact remains that there ARE parallels and there ARE lessons to be learned.  Our sport needs to build it's own image if it is to break through with the future fans.

It always comes back to participation for me. We've seen wildly successful models of professional sports in Europe and North America that are completely at odds with one another. The common denominator is multi-generational support built on participation. 

The NFL could get implement P/R, get rid of cheerleaders and remove half-time entertainment and would still be as popular as it is because the people that follow it have an emotional attachment to the sport. Maybe they didn't suit up in gear in high school to count as a formal participant, but I'd wager most people who follow the game in the States have thrown a ball around. 

Unless that changes, there's not much that administrators can do to improve fortunes. They often do lots of things to justify their pay but the success of those measures is often sketchy at best. 

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