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#1 Whacky Llama

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 11:49 AM



More info about Saints move to Widnes and the new stadium.

#2 chrisl1

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 02:44 PM

Pity they couldn't run to a "roving mike" so we could hear what the questions were.

#3 saintsbird

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 02:01 PM

Just been down to see the plans & the "virtual tour". Very impressive. If its half as good it will be worth the wait.
Better still Scully was there answering questions & queries on the plans. Eeeh thats todays eye candy sorted wub.gif wub.gif
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#4 ParisSurtout

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 03:06 PM

18,500 is a bit too small a capacity for a great club like St Helens. They will be locking people out for the Wigan and Warrington games, and close to doing the same for Leeds game as well. 20,500 would have been about right.

I hope that they have capacity to add a seating stand above one or both of the planned standing only terraces behind the posts, should my predictions about big game lockouts be proven correct. Revenue from additional seating will pay for itself over time.

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 03:37 PM

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Jul 21 2010, 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
18,500 is a bit too small a capacity for a great club like St Helens. They will be locking people out for the Wigan and Warrington games, and close to doing the same for Leeds game as well. 20,500 would have been about right.

I hope that they have capacity to add a seating stand above one or both of the planned standing only terraces behind the posts, should my predictions about big game lockouts be proven correct. Revenue from additional seating will pay for itself over time.

Better to have a stadium almost full week-in, week-out than paying over the odds for one that has lots of empty seats for all bar the biggest games.

Also, don't forget that they need to get planning and safety permissions, I saw one presentation on a ground a few years ago that said that planning permission for 10,000 seats these days is about equivalent to 15,000 in the 1970s due to extra seating space, exit points, toilets and catering facilities, never mind the external impacts of traffic, parking and so on that were far lower in the 1970s.

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#6 Padge

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 03:47 PM

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Jul 21 2010, 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
18,500 is a bit too small a capacity for a great club like St Helens.

On what basis have come to this conclusion.

Its larger than the current Saints capacity which is hardly ever tested.

An increase of 2,000 isn't probably viable within the design, its probably something like 18.5k or 23.5k or a completely different design.


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#7 ParisSurtout

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 04:23 PM

QUOTE (Padge @ Jul 21 2010, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On what basis have come to this conclusion.


The fact that Wigan cann sell out the 25,000 capacity DW/JJB (in effect 22,000 max) when both clubs are firing well.

QUOTE (Padge @ Jul 21 2010, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Its larger than the current Saints capacity which is hardly ever tested.

An increase of 2,000 isn't probably viable within the design, its probably something like 18.5k or 23.5k or a completely different design.


The current Saints capacity is hardly ever tested because decent fans, especially those with kids, will think twice about going to a dreadful place like Knowsley Road.

On the design issues for an increase, you may be right.

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 04:31 PM

QUOTE (ckn @ Jul 21 2010, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Better to have a stadium almost full week-in, week-out than paying over the odds for one that has lots of empty seats for all bar the biggest games.

Also, don't forget that they need to get planning and safety permissions, I saw one presentation on a ground a few years ago that said that planning permission for 10,000 seats these days is about equivalent to 15,000 in the 1970s due to extra seating space, exit points, toilets and catering facilities, never mind the external impacts of traffic, parking and so on that were far lower in the 1970s.


In general I agree with you.

However once the word gets around that the new Saints stadium is a great place to go to watch rugby league, I am sure that not only the locals, but also the visiting club fans, will be more likely to want to to go.

I could forsee Saints locking out paying fans on the day even when a future successful Bradford, and perhaps even Hull FC and Hull KR play --- as well as the obvious future sellouts for Wigan, Warrington and Leeds. If I am right on that, then it becomes a question of doing the maths on revenues lost or gained.

Until now there has been a disjunction between a great performing rugby league club and their dreadful ground. The new stadium is going to eliminate that disjunction and elevate the Saints brand to a higher level. I just hope that they have calculated correctly on what that will mean in terms of future fan interest.

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 04:32 PM

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Jul 21 2010, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The fact that Wigan cann sell out the 25,000 capacity DW/JJB (in effect 22,000 max) when both clubs are firing well.

Wigan have always had bigger crowds than Saints, presuming that because Wigan v Saints can get 25,000 in Wigan that Saints can get the same figure is a nonesense

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Jul 21 2010, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The current Saints capacity is hardly ever tested because decent fans, especially those with kids, will think twice about going to a dreadful place like Knowsley Road.

Done a survey have you of why people don't go to Knowsley Road?

If the new stadium puts 50% on to the Saints average attendance they would still have a capacity of around 2,000 to spare.



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#10 TheDuke

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 04:37 PM

i am sure they have put some thought into the feasability of building a bigger stadium. remember this is a sole use stadium not shared like the KC or Galpharm or DW, it may cost 2 million more to make the extra capacity not worth it for twice a year

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 05:05 PM

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Jul 21 2010, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I could forsee Saints locking out paying fans on the day even when a future successful Bradford, and perhaps even Hull FC and Hull KR play



Not if Saints continue to play on Friday nights.

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 05:41 PM

Big Mac has said that they have gone for quality not quantity, so the money they have saved on making it bigger has been used for better corporate and fan facilities.

It has also let the club do this cool.gif

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Probably one of the best weeks in Saints Long History biggrin.gif




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