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#1 bobrock

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 07:33 PM

So here I go again with my silly questions. I hope once again some fine gentlemen will spend some time typing a couple of lines to reply. The most difficult thing Iíve faced in my quest for rugby league knowledge was to understand if I was watching good defence or poor attack, and vice versa. In many situations I believe my knowledge of union can help. In many others, I reckon it doesnít.
Letís go back to the Hull derby, and all the enthusiastic comments about the final tackle. I think I still have to study deeply if I want to understand something in RL, because what was almost unanimously seen as an example of good defence, for me was mainly an example of very poor attacking play. Poor skills in the passes themselves, poor timing of the passes, no movement to get closer to the try line and closer to the defenders in order to gain time and space. They passed the ball at least one second and one metre earlier than required. They just shifted the ball to the outside hoping the last man could do the job. They never forced the defence to take risks because it was clear from the beginning what they were going to do. Well, this in the eyes of a union fan like me, but Iíve watched a lot or rugby league until now, and I think Iíve seen much better attacking play in both Superleague and NRL.
So, apart from the well-deserved suggestions to shut up and get back to watch union, would anyone be so kind to tell me why that passage of play was good defence and not, as I immediately thought, poor attack ?

#2 Old Frightful

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 07:43 PM

Having watched it live at the game and again on telly, with the benefit of being able to study all players involved, I would say the Hull KR players shifted the ball out wide quickly as they thought it would get to Fox quicker than Briscoe could get to him. When the first pass went towards the wing, Briscoe was under the posts. The last passer, Charnley?, should perhaps have tried to put Briscoe in doubt as to whether he was going to pass out wide or bring Fox inside but I genuinely believe he thought Fox had time to score in the corner.

If you get chance to see it again on Sky.com, just watch Briscoe, he follows the ball like an arrow and hits Fox ball n all.

As Barrie Mac stated, the tackle of the decade. biggrin.gif cool.gif

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#3 Mr Sheen

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 07:50 PM

...but then Fox could have helped himself by carrying the ball under his outside arm. He could have handed off Briscoe and reached out for the line with the ball. As it was, the ball was trapped against his body by Briscoe's tackle until he was driven out. (apologies if this has been aired before)

Monye was guilty of blowing tries the same way for the Lions in South Africa last year, so it's not just a League failing.

Edited by Mr Sheen, 21 July 2010 - 07:50 PM.

#4 bobrock

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 08:01 PM

QUOTE (Old Frightful @ Jul 21 2010, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The last passer, Charnley?, should perhaps have tried to put Briscoe in doubt as to whether he was going to pass out wide or bring Fox inside

That's exactly what I meant. It looked like a big mistake to me.

#5 Padge

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 08:12 PM

QUOTE (bobrock @ Jul 21 2010, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's exactly what I meant. It looked like a big mistake to me.

But it isn't a mistake, its picking an option.

You can't say what would have happened if they had taken the other option, it may still have been well read/guessed and no try scored.

Its far easier to sit back watch it on telly and claim someone took the wrong option than to be the guy with a split second desision to make.

They obviously believed the quick play to the wing would have opened up enough of a gap between attack and defence to make the try unstoppable as opposed to the other option of trying to commit the defender to a player by allowing the defender to be closer to the ball earlier. Most players would go for the simple let the ball do the work option. What they didn't bargain on was how fast and committed Briscoe would be and how good technically a tackle he would make, wrapping the ball lifting and turning the player and using his momentum to carry the player out.

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#6 EastLondonMike

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Posted 21 July 2010 - 08:41 PM

it was great defense on the part of briscoe (although not on the part of Hull FC), but it was also a poor finish to what should have been a try.. i put it down to inexperience on the part of charnley and also some ordinary passes from the inside men.. but briscoe deserves the pats on the back for his determination to make that tackle.

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