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  1. Undertaking multiple scenario planning is one thing (and exactly what I've been saying), what they wont do is enact any of those plans until they are in a position to ensure its a viable plan and will deliver what they need. RL is in no position to make any sort of decisions now regarding make up & structure of the leagues as there are far too many unknowns. The best they can do is come up with multiple scenario plans that can be developed to implementation when the position becomes clearer. They should prepare high levels plans for an 8 team, 10 team, 12 team etc. SL and include scenarios for full time, part time etc. What they shouldn't be doing at the moment is picking one and then try to make it work later.
  2. All potentially viable structure idea's Scotchy, but still kind of misses the point that its virtually impossible to make any decisions at this stage with so many unknowns. So the best they should do multiple scenario planning and then develop these further as the situation unfolds. A time will then come when 1 or more of these scenario's is viable and one of these can then be adopted.
  3. Bit different for football - they're 3/4's of their way through their season and Liverpool are only 2 wins away from being crowned champions. Removing relegation maybe, but nulling the entire season seems a bit unfair to a club like Liverpool. RL isn't even 1/4 of the way through their season.
  4. a 12 club SL based at what level - Full time, part time, a mixture of both depending on how many viable clubs you have left for full time ? Its not a decision you can make until you know its a remotely feasible It all well & good saying things like we want 14 clubs and will find 14 fully pro clubs - but there simply may not be 14 clubs that can be fully pro - so the whole plan is nothing more than a pipe dream. What happens if we make that decision for 14 full time pro clubs and we end up with only 8 viable clubs able to remain full time. Do we stick with the 14 club league and have 8 full time & 6 part time, creating a hugely uneven competition ? You say we do what we need to stop clubs going pop - is that the right thing to do to throw what is already a limited amount of money in the game at a club that has very little chance of surviving ? or should we say focus the money the game has in rebuilding the clubs that have managed to survive. Whats better for the game as a whole 12 or 14 weaker clubs with many who are still teetering on the brink or 8 stronger clubs and then build on this solid base and expand the numbers in years to come as we get more viable clubs ? I seriously doubt there will ever be a big cash injection from government to be able to run the game as it currently is. So the sad fact is it needs to change to survive if we still want a professional sport and tough decisions are going to have to be made on whether to let clubs go under and start again in the lower leagues.
  5. Appreciate where your coming from and agree that they could start planning some stand alone money generating events like a 9's series, but what exactly do you think they should plan for in a structure given there are so many different scenario's that could emerge ? Do they plan for a 6 team or a 14 team SL, do they plan for it to be all full time teams or a mixture of full time & part time ? Do they plan for a bigger league with say 16 or 20 teams but have a lower salary cap to enable the ones who are really struggling financially to be able to still compete ? Do they go with a SL licence structure based purely on who has the financial stability to operate as they do now & grow ? Do they plan for all lower leagues to be pretty much amateur ? Do they throw what little money they have at all clubs in the hope of saving them even if they are highly likely to fail, or do they plough their money & resources into the clubs most likely to survive to give the best chance for the game as a whole to survive at a professional level ?
  6. So much of this situation is out of anybody's control that any sort of firm long term plans are almost pointless. The best they can do at this stage is multiple scenario planning at a fairly high level and engage with their key stakeholders to gain their views. Nobody knows what financial aid will be provided. Nobody knows how many clubs will survive across any of the divisions, or may have to drop from full time to part time, or part time to amateur just to survive. They need to plan for divisions from anywhere between 6 and 16 teams as well as considering what the structure & format would work best with all the remaining clubs. Do we stay with P&R, do we switch back to Licencing ? Its not giving up control, we have to be realistic and accept that a lot of things are likely to change in the sport following this crisis. If, and its a big if at the moment, we play any more games in 2020 its going to be almost like a series of friendlies just so clubs can generate income and we then start afresh again in 2021 under whatever new format is appropriate. Aside from going full time and switching to summer rugby (which caused a massive rift with Barla), the game has remained fairly static for generations, just constant tinkering with formats. Maybe some good may come out of this terrible situation and the game can make some radical changes and grow into what most of us think it could be. We have a fantastic product but seemingly have held ourselves back through a combination of keeping tradition & status quo or inept leadership. Personally i'm hopeful that the game will emerge stronger & more stable from all this, but my biggest concern it we still have a leadership team in the RFL who have shown time & again they neither have the knowledge or ability to lead.
  7. Too many unknowns at this stage to be even talking about next years structure. Its not beyond the realms of possibility that one or more clubs across the leagues will go under due to the pandemic so who knows if all of the existing 12 SL clubs will still be around in 2021 (including Wakefield who aren't exactly the richest club). The entire season could end up being scrapped so we just start afresh again in 2021 with structure we have in 2020
  8. In theory i'd agree with that, but just restarting immediately causes a problem as clubs have already played differing numbers of games, some 7, some 6 and others only 5. Personally i'd start from scratch again at the end of June. Everyone then plays 5 home & 5 away games and after 10 rounds we play a Magic weekend, then the play-off's
  9. I actually posted on the Catalans Screwed thread my take on where we are with coronavirus. Individual clubs will act in the interests of their clubs, of course they will, that's their job to ensure their club survives first & foremost. A situation like this is where the individual owners & board of directors really show their worth (not necessarily just financially) by putting into place a plan that gives their club the best possible chance of survival. Those with rich owners, low debts etc. will probably survive (though be worse off), while sadly some clubs wont. The stringer clubs will do whatever they can to help the others survive but there will come a point where they can do no more as no RL club has that sort of wealth & resilience. Sport isn't a national priority for the government so they are going to be back of the queue when it comes to getting financial state aid (and rightly so in my opinion), so it has to be down to the individual clubs to do whatever they can to survive at the moment. A plan for ensuring the survival of the wider game is what the RFL should be doing and this is where we see whether the likes of Rimmer are actually capable of running the game, or whether their limitations are glaringly exposed (sadly I think we'll see the latter). As harsh as this sounds, Its likely to be survival of the fittest in the sporting world, not just in rugby league. When this is all over I do think the sport will need a serious reassessment and we could well end up with a structure that's different to what we have now. But i'm hopeful that whoever is left will rebuild a stronger & more resilient sport and rather than be all doom & gloom will see the post coronavirus era as an opportunity. In fact the cynic in me thinks those strong clubs who are left should capitalize on other sports clubs like in yawnion who are also in trouble - the RFU will no doubt be thinking exactly the same about rugby league. Their history suggests they wouldn't hesitate to capitalize.
  10. Getting back to the original topic - Catalans are in exactly the same boat as every other club at the moment. This is where the clubs owners really show their worth to the sport. Its down to them to put in place measures to minimize the impact on them individually and give themselves the best chance of survival. In parallel the RFL should be pushing the government for a financial support package to cover rugby league as a whole. Both have to work together and do their bit if the game is to survive. Sports clubs are probably right at the bottom of the Governments priorities at the moment (and rightly so) so I don't hold out much hope of the RFL being able to achieve very much. This puts even more emphasis on the individual clubs implementing whatever they need to in order to survive. Sadly I do think some clubs could go under as they just don't have the financial stability to survive such an event as the coronavirus pandemic. Those with cash reserves, wealthy owners, low debts etc. will probably be OK (though worse off). As harsh as this sounds, Its likely to be survival of the fittest in the sporting world, not just in rugby league. When this is all over I do think the sport will need a serious reassessment and we could well end up with a structure that's different to what we have now. But i'm hopeful that whoever is left will rebuild a stronger & more resilient sport and rather than be all doom & gloom will see the post coronavirus era as an opportunity. In fact the cynic in me thinks those strong clubs who are left should capitalize on other sports clubs like in yawnion who are in trouble - the RFU will no doubt be thinking exactly the same about rugby league. Their history suggests they wouldn't hesitate to capitalize.
  11. No that's the coach. I said on here a few weeks ago that if Woolf continues down the path he is then he wont be here long term. He's going down the Cunningham route of a forward domination tactic and has brought in NRL style tactics of trying to wrestle too much. Its resulting in the forwards doing the vast majority of the work leaving them knackered in the 2nd half of games, while the backs are hardly getting a sniff of the ball, and when they do its not off the back of the forwards having laid a good platform going forward in yardage. Its also resulted in them conceding a lot more penalties, leaving them a lot more defending to do in their own half. McManus isn't a chairman to make knee-jerk reactions so I can't see a mid-season sacking, but if this type of performance continues all year then I doubt Woolf will be here in 2021
  12. It didn't last long after the Toronto result last night !!
  13. What club would be mad enough to offer him a full time contract similar to the one he had at Toronto with his injury record ?
  14. Apparently he's been offered a 'Basic contract' to the end of this season with a 'pay as you play' bonus. Even if he ended up playing every single match from now to the end of the year (which is unlikely anyway) he would still be earning a lot less than his current Toronto contract. When he was fit (which wasn't very often) he had some pretty decent games, but as a full contract player he was costing way too much to be sat on the treatment table every year. So a basic contract with pay as you play could turn out to be a good move until Percival returns (which isn't for another 4 months or so). Youngsters like Simm & Rizelli are showing great promise in the Reserves but I don't think either are quite ready to be playing 1st team every week.
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