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  1. Same outcome...only an organisation of idiots would punish any club for not travelling across countries during a worldwide pandemic and only an idiot would think a punishment would be justified.
  2. Well done...But dont think its a big suprise to anyone that Leeds are pushing for option 3, unfortunately i dont think they'l be the only ones...Put 3 options in front of a group of business men, especially at a time like this, theyr most likely going to pick the option that earns them the most cash in the shortest term, thats option 3. Hope im wrong, but id be shocked if the eventual outcome dosnt look close to option 3, with maybe a couple of modifications
  3. Option 3 is 100% GH's option, theres a piece in the local Yorkshire paper from him and he's giddy at the prospect of option 3. Which teams agree with him is the important thing, id guess the same teams voting for a cap reduction will be with him. My feeling is option 3, or a slightly modified version of option 3, is what we'l get.
  4. Disgrace that some clubs are wanting the cap lowered. Very disappointed in my club Leeds, who are reported to be one of them.
  5. Dont think anyones saying theyr winning the comp this year, just that theyr a very exciting young team, with the potential to be very good in the near future.
  6. Yeah, i was just focusing on the younger players in there squad in my last post, but like you say, theyv got a few good older heads to lead the way aswel. Unbelievable that Millfords still so young, feels like he's been around forever, Corey Oates and Andrew McCullough are Queensland rep players, Matthew Lodge is a good prop and Alex Glenn and Darius Boyd, whilst well past there best, offer loads of club and rep experience for the young stars to call on. Liie i said earlier, iv been a Warriors man since i can remember, but the thing im excited about most for the NRL coming back and for the forseeable future, is watching this Broncos team.
  7. Probably the Broncos if your after a team of young potential, Haas and Fifita are genuine superstars in the making, Pangai Jr is a monster...Kerrigan, flegler and Ofahengaue are also part of a frightening young pack. Kotoni Staggs is one of the best young centers in the world, Jermaine Isaako is a young Kiwi international FB/Wing. Brodie Croft at half, Jake Turpin Hooker/Halfback.... Theyv had a youth movement there with youngsters playing plenty of NRL games. Theres a few below them aswel who are highly rated, Deardon, Coates and Farnworth(English lad) among a few others are all worth keeping an eye on
  8. Always liked the Warriors but really looking forward to watching Brisbanes young pack of monsters, so il go Broncos.
  9. Behave, thats a weak argument even for you. Two totally different things, fighting off the field, for what they think theyr owed or should recieve, is not even remotely close to only giving 80% on the field as you suggested was an 'issue' . Iv asked you to point me to any comments etc that point to the players not giving 100% when they start playing...As yet, you havnt been able to show me any, so for now, there is no issue on that front. You saying its an issue dosnt make it an issue, neither does an article that dosnt once mention any players potential lack of application or effort when they get back on the field.
  10. Yeah thats the one. No mention of players not giving 100% when they get back to playing.
  11. Link? Not sure iv read the right piece Iv just read one with owners slamming Carvell and the union, not once does it mention players not giving 100% when they start playing.
  12. Exactly, for anyone to suggest the players wouldnt give 100%, is doing them a massive disservice.
  13. What issue are you refering to in your last Q? Is there one shred of evidence, one comment, or one soundbite from anybody in the game, that suggests any player wont be giving 100% when they start playing?
  14. Il trust the rich men who'v saved Rugby League clubs, pumped millions into Rugby League clubs and helped provide a professional living for many rugby league players for many years, before id back the opinion of someone who clearly couldnt care less about rugby league, who'd happily let clubs fall to bits and who's so shortsighted, they'd have players suffer for years instead of months, because theyr determined to blame the rich men for whats going on. If and when you put millions of your money into Rugby League, il maybe put more trust in your opinion.
  15. Ofcourse its true, some clubs wont survive it, some clubs will be a weak administration version of what they were, all clubs will be broke. whatever revenue clubs lose this year isnt coming back, that massive financial deficit is going to appear when its time to pay players there deferred wages and its going to appear and be substantialy bigger when the loan, plus interest, is getting paid back. Clubs will be broke, players will suffer for a much longer time than the current situation. Wage cuts arnt a nice thing for anyone to have to deal with, but theyr a better option than your ruin the game, cripple the clubs, reduce players future earnings for years ideas...The players know this, thats why theyv accepted it, without too much fuss. Despite you being determined to blame someone for whats going on, most sensible people are understanding that its a once in a lifetime situation and that no ones trying to screw anyone over. Your hearts in the right place but your heads a mile off, your championing the players cause with solutions that will leave them worse off in the long run.
  16. Most the owners are having to make choices everywhere, theyv got other businesess, losing money like all buisnesses, with other staff at these businessess on reduced terms, on furlough or in some cases now without a job. Its the easiest thing in the world for you to tell these people they'v got to do this and that with there money with no financial impact on yourself, people have got a real job to try and navigate there clubs and there employees, not just players, through the lockdown, so that everyones got a job at the end of it and the clubs are still here for years to come. On the points you mention, iv already told you why, it solves nothing, just pushes the problem away for a while, grows the problem, and players lose out more than they are now in the long run. Its clear that you think any consequence is acceptable as long as the players get there money now...Adminstration, clubs going bust, the ones that survive being too skint to offer decent contracts, just Rugby League in this country absolutely ruined. Like i said earlier, shortsighted. Luckily the players have got more of a clue and a bit more intelligence, otherwise a lot lf them wouldnt be a RL professional in a couple of year and a lot of us wouldnt have a club to support even sooner
  17. Im going to assume your second edit was your last. Agreed, clubs are struggling already, if you can see that, how cant you see how your proposals wouldnt completely ruin nearly every club, which in turn, ruins the sport. All of your what ifs are the normal variables for every normal contract situation, if clubs come out of this in semi decent state, players will still be able to earn good money if they handle there side of things on the pitch, fringe players, likes of chris Clarkson and James Donaldson will still be able to earn a superleage contract... what your proposals would do is lower contracts across the sport for years to come, regardless of there performance...Cant get blood out of a stone, clubs would be broke, by saying there 'broke already' you once again show a level of stubbornness that makes mature discussion a task with you, following your suggestions would cripple clubs, theyd be much worse off than they are now, a poor financial situation would get drastically worse, we both know that. The loan situation has been adressed by other posters, numerous times, to get the loan , you have to of exhausted every possible option of saving money, if you'v still got your full playing staff on full wage, then your likely not getting any. Yeah il happily admit id like to see Caddick put a bit in for Leeds players, im not here just to argue with you, if you make a decent point, il happily agree with it...From the outside looking in, i cant see why an owner like Caddick or Moran couldnt help the players out a bit, on the surface, they seem to have the wealth for it, i say on the surface because like i said in our other discussion, im not clued up on buissnes, so not sure how there wealth looks in terms of 'usable cash' for want of a better term. Not all owners have that wealth however and already plough millions in before this crisis and most likely will after.
  18. Sorry missed the edit, theres always an edit. Yeah i covered why the next contract being a problem, the part about everyone being broke, in administration etc...Its in there somewhere
  19. Cant really argue with that because i havnt got a clue what it means. Ps..Really felt for you on the Sky Tv paying for the championship discussion on the other thread, i rarely get embarrassed for someone, but watching you be proved so wrong, but being too pigheaded to admit it, really got me.
  20. So short sighted it beggers belief...None of these suggestions are benefiting the players, theyr just pushing the problem away for a year or two, making it a longer term, bigger problem and ruining plenty of clubs in the process. A large number of these players are on 1 and 2 year contracts, after that, clubs dont owe them a penny. so despite the financial situation thats going on around the world, lets say these players get there full money for the duration of there contract, what they goin to do when that contract runs out? Time to negotiate a new contract, BUT... After taking your alternative solutions...Owners have got massive loans to pay off, there clubs have sold there assests that enable them to make money, clubs are in administration, theres no other clubs to move to for decent money because theyr all in administration, the couple of clubs that arnt in administration only need 30 players each...So when its time for the next contract, players are going to be getting offered a pittance or not getting offered atall...Because all the clubs are broke. So longer term, players who want a career in rugby league are going to be worse off than they are now, accepting the shorter term cuts, and giving clubs the chance to come out of the lockdown in some kind of decent shape. The worse state clubs are in after this, the worse state players future earning potential is going to be.. which is probably why they have accepted the cuts with little fuss or discontent. You go on about the owners like they were the devil of rugby league, apart from Caddick now and possibly 1or 2 more, these owners put millions of there own money into there clubs, to cover losses, keep clubs going and ultimately providing players with an oppurtunity to be a professional, if theyr good enough and want to be, and to earn a decent living from the game. I agree in that i would quite like to see owners that dont have to pump millions into there club anymore, like Caddick for example, put some money in to help the players, but even then, he's far from what your painting these owners out to be, i wouldnt like to think where Leeds would be without him and his millions. The game, and players wagers, would be miles worse of if these owners walked away. But yeah, someone like Caddick can afford it, would be nice to see him put a bit in for the players, but even then, that would just be Leeds players, other owners havnt got money like him and are still putting millions in anyways. I admire your strong belief that the players shouldnt have to lose out and i wish they didnt have to either, but the fact that your taking it worse than the players suggests that the people who its affecting most are seeing a bigger picture than you .
  21. Think you have misunderstood what Harrys saying, the stadium comment isnt related to the good of the game comment. The Hetherington seeing the game as a bigger package comment is related to Hetherington being the only Superleague decision maker who voted against the Superleague split. The stadium comments in reply to a poster talking about shiny stadiums and GH being a Window salesman or sumthing. The conversation in question is on page 1 of this thread
  22. It does give me a positive energy, thanks. You also enjoy your day and better luck next time.
  23. If you think its nonsense then im confident its a very good post that nails everything to a tee.
  24. No this is where your wrong again, i do understand, when i said im not clued up on market forces, i meant it, but im clued up enough for the basic level your operating on. So we pay the best first team player thousands more than he's on now, then we can pay the second best thousands more than he's on...So on and so forth..Every player from the best 1st team player down to the worst academy player, all 50 odd of them can earn more, because paying the top guy more has allowed 'market force' to kick in and pay everyone else more...Genius...Wheres the money coming from? You know nearly every club already runs at a substantial loss right? Come on, you must do? And it still dosnt explain why some Academy players are payed more than others, what does explain that is a players ability. You cant honestly think that what a clubs first team players earn prevents that club from giving an Academy lad 4k instead of 3k if they wanted to...If they think an Academy lads worth a bigger contract they give them it.
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