Smith favours return to Super League licences

[Harry Stottle]

1 hour ago, scotchy1 said:

The 'leigh town pathway' is no more the Leigh Centurions pathway than Michael McIlorum is a product of the leeds rhinos pathway 

I'm sure the SL club chairmen will be delighted that they can cut their youth development back to their foundation work with no downsides. It's a fortune they have been wasting 

Stolen valor is an embarrassing look.

Don't be soft, of course formative years is part of the pathway without the local clubs there would be no introduction to move on elsewhere, unless you believe that every player only firstly picks up a ball at an academy.

So what is the city of Toronto offering, it was you who mentioned the yourh development.

[Harry Stottle]

12 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

I would be confident that more kids have had their first go at RL directly because of the Wolfpack than directly because of Leigh Centurions

Not in Leigh they wouldn't, and most certainly not in Toronto!

[Harry Stottle]

2 hours ago, scotchy1 said:

You are still obsessed. Its creepy.

For your own sake,

Awaiting your comment on the Leigh community trust Gubby posted, why have you gone all quiet?

[Smudger06]

3 hours ago, scotchy1 said:

None of those are Leigh centurions.

Toronto Wolfpack have exactly the same youth development as Leigh Centurions. That is, buy in players from other clubs. 

What about the fact Leigh deliver rugby league to over 7,500 primary school children in all 29 primary schools in the Wigan borough? 

[Smudger06]

Seen now that you boys are already onto it. 

[Smudger06]

31 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

No,  pretty much every player first picks up a ball because of the hardwork of amateur RL. Not because of a pro club. 

Leeds Rhinos didnt develop Michael MiLorum before he signed for Wigan. Stanningley and Queens did. 

I would be confident that more kids have had their first go at RL directly because of the Wolfpack than directly because of Leigh Centurions. 

That last statement is totally bonkers. It's off the charts. 

[Smudger06]

Kids go to amateur clubs because they have been introduced to RL through coaching sessions by Leigh players and Leigh ex players, enjoyed it, been inspired by Leigh Centurions, they then start playing junior amateur at Leigh Clubs and watching RL down the LSV. 

[Harry Stottle]

25 minutes ago, Smudger06 said:

That last statement is totally bonkers. It's off the charts. 

Nothing new there then, he doesn't dissapoint does he?

[Harry Stottle]

24 minutes ago, Smudger06 said:

Kids go to amateur clubs because they have been introduced to RL through coaching sessions by Leigh players and Leigh ex players, enjoyed it, been inspired by Leigh Centurions, they then start playing junior amateur at Leigh Clubs and watching RL down the LSV. 

No they don't, they all sit at home watching Sky for awaiting a Toronto game, even the impoverished kids who's parents can't afford Sky, Scotchy says so.

[Harry Stottle]

5 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

My bet is that 0 kids in Toronto have been introduce to the game by Leigh's community work. 

 

4 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

What about it? this is the very least that clubs should be doing. Really? how low is the bar you are setting here?

And this is an elite player pathway is it?

Im sure Messrs Lenegan, McManus, Hetherington et al will be delighted that they can shut down their elite player pathway and save millions on developing players 

 

1 minute ago, scotchy1 said:

Kids start playing RL via a variety of sources, the idea that the community work done is the significant factor in elite player development just isnt true, you know it, i know it, we all know it. 

Community work, whilst valid, is not an elite player pathway. 

Barrel and scrapping comes to mind, can you not find a shovel big enough for that hole you are digging for yourself? 

[Smudger06]

4 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

really? Toronto have run plenty of development days like this https://www.torontowolfpack.com/try-rugby/

Thats specific work done by the Wolfpack to grow the numbers trying rugby league, not stolen valor from the work of amateur clubs, actual work getting kids to pick up a ball 

According to you and Harry, Toronto now do youth development and have an elite player pathway. 

Wow. Looks like specific work done to grow Union numbers. Congrats. 

[Smudger06]

And yes it's a part of RFL 'embed the pathway'. 

[Smudger06]

3 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

A bit like Leigh did with Chris Ashton in this weird world where community work is an elite player pathway. 

 

10 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

really? Toronto have run plenty of development days like this https://www.torontowolfpack.com/try-rugby/

Thats specific work done by the Wolfpack to grow the numbers trying rugby league, not stolen valor from the work of amateur clubs, actual work getting kids to pick up a ball 

According to you and Harry, Toronto now do youth development and have an elite player pathway. 

HSBC Rookie Rugby 

Look at the logos of its 6 partners. YAWNION through and through. 

We are best off Toronto doesn't get involved. 

[Smudger06]

2 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

 

oh, your one of those

Toronto doesn't get involved with player development until they have community RL infrastructure to support. All they are doing is helping Union when it's League that needs to be established over there. 

[Smudger06]

4 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

This will include details of the free junior ticket and discounted adult ticket to the Wolfpack’s clash against St Helens, which takes place immediately after the Try Rugby Fun Day.

All those kids were introduced to RL by Toronto. 

Toronto do not get involved in player development, nor do leigh they do community outreach and engagement. A worthwhile effort in itself. But not youth development. 

EMBED THE PATHWAY

Designed and endorsed by the Rugby Football League, the game’s governing body, ‘Embed the Pathway’ aims to increase the number of quality rugby league players aged between 12 and 14 by providing them a pathway from amateur rugby to Super League and beyond - through the support and development of school teachers and community coaches.

The programme brings coach education, inclusive player profiling and professional coaching sessions into a unique scheme to develop a higher number of quality young players. This is achieved by enabling all players who have access to the sport through their school or community club to connect with the program.

well Fev are involved with that, probably Leigh are as well. 

[Smudger06]

7 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

This will include details of the free junior ticket and discounted adult ticket to the Wolfpack’s clash against St Helens, which takes place immediately after the Try Rugby Fun Day.

All those kids were introduced to RL by Toronto. 

Toronto do not get involved in player development, nor do leigh they do community outreach and engagement. A worthwhile effort in itself. But not youth development. 

They have nowhere to play, union reaps all benefit. 

[Smudger06]

19 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

As I said, in these tough times im sure the SL clubs will be delighted to shut down their academies and youth development work and leave all that to foundations. 

They are going to save a fortune and the game will be no worse off will it?

Will the SL Clubs who don't run academies be opening up? What about the non SL Clubs operating academies? 

[Smudger06]

5 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

Leigh centurions dont run the amateur sides in Leigh. 

Obviously not, they do support them though, through Sky Try (brings kids to Clubs) & Embed the Pathway. (Develops coaches and players) let's go ask how many Leigh Juniors Support Leigh Centurions. No Leigh Centurions these clubs would question the reason for their existence as junior memberships plummet. However, I'm sure SL Wigan  will come charging in to save the day. 

[Smudger06]

Anyway, Let's have franchising Scotchy, you've been saying how club territories don't matter and you mention Castleford in particular should be drawing fans from Leeds and Wakefield, franchising is territorial. Let's have your territories? 

[Smudger06]

4 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

Nonsense. Utter nonsense. 

Community outreach work is good and valuable but the idea that Leigh amateur clubs are dependent on Leigh Centerions for their existence is a lie and you know it.

The town is a triangle of RL. Take one side away wether the pro club, amateur scene or schools scene. The triangle collapses as does RL in that town. 

[Smudger06]

3 minutes ago, Smudger06 said:

Anyway, Let's have franchising Scotchy, you've been saying how club territories don't matter and you mention Castleford in particular should be drawing fans from Leeds and Wakefield, franchising is territorial. Let's have your territories? 

You buy a franchise, which itself is a form of licence anyhow, one of the main reason for buying is to hold a market (terririory) for that brand / product alone. Especially in sports. 

[Smudger06]

Just now, Smudger06 said:

You buy a franchise, which itself is a form of licence anyhow, one of the main reason for buying is to hold a market (terririory) for that brand / product alone. Especially in sports. 

You say you want franchising not licences. Franchise is a form of licence. 

You say Castleford should get fans from Leeds and Wakefield. Yet you want franchises! That's not fair on the Leeds and Wakefield Franchise holders! 

What are your franchise territories? 

[Smudger06]

3 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

That doesnt even make sense.

If territories dont matter why would I have any?

You are SL, I want a franchise. What do you have available? What other franchises are already taken? How many Franchises in this investment group in total? I need to know if I'm buying in. 

[Smudger06]

7 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

Franchise

noun

 

1. 1.

   an authorization granted by a government or company to an individual or group enabling them to carry out specified commercial activities, for example acting as an agent for a company's products.

    

The right to vote in public elections ? 

[Smudger06]

8 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

Franchise

noun

 

1. 1.

   an authorization granted by a government or company to an individual or group enabling them to carry out specified commercial activities, for example acting as an agent for a company's products.

    

Is a quick Google search the limit of intelligence and knowledge these days. 

 

2 minutes ago, scotchy1 said:

Strange. Started a bit early today?

Yes it's stranded you missed that next definition out.