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How may grounds have you been to which are of near 21st century standard?


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#41 Jill Halfpenny fan

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 07:12 PM

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Aug 1 2010, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Shark Park is widely regarded as a disgrace to the NRL. It is the NRL's equivalent of Belle Vue, relatively speaking. But just to think about the comparison between those two grounds, shows the gulf that exists between the NRL and SL in terms of spectator facilities. Shark Park desperately needs improvements, but it is (barely) tolerable when it is not raining. However any Australian ground in the condition of Belle Vue would have been condemned to closure on health grounds, by any relevant Australian governing entity, decades ago.


Leichardt used to be pretty similar to Belle Vue but I'm not sure if the Wests Tigers still take the odd game there.


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#42 thirteenthman

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 07:27 PM

QUOTE (Jill Halfpenny fan @ Aug 1 2010, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Leichardt used to be pretty similar to Belle Vue but I'm not sure if the Wests Tigers still take the odd game there.

Leichardt has been improved, not sure what they did, but I seem to remember them spenfing a bit of money on it. The Tigers were playing there on Saturday when a disgraceful refereeing decision robbed Cronulla of the points. But that's a topic for another forum... wink.gif

As for Shark Park being barely tolerable when its not raining, well, so is Belle Vue. The difference being that Wakefield are planning to move to a new ground, something that Cronulla have no intention of doing.



#43 MrPosh

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 08:33 PM

I believe, under the criterion of 'Panorama', Odsal is the best stadium in the world of rugby.

So you all got that wrong, didn't you?

For the record, there were at least three grammatical errors in the post by PS that criticised Wellsy's English.
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#44 goldcard

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 08:47 PM

Wilderspool wasn't that bad a place.
Maybe borderline 19th/20th century, but that's quite near 21st.
Can't think of any that rate pre-18th century, which is only 3 away really.
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#45 ParisSurtout

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 02:29 AM

QUOTE (DAZROVER1985 @ Aug 1 2010, 06:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think you can get panoramic views from pretty much every stadium in the championships from at least one sideline aswell, every one ive been to this season anyway.


The discussion was of Super League stadia. Nevertheless good work by those Championship clubs (e.g. Leigh and Halifax?) that have a panoramic view from a t least one sideline.

QUOTE (West Country Eagle @ Aug 1 2010, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bramall Lane
Stobart Stadium
Halliwell Jones
JJB/DW Stadium
Galpharm

You get a pretty good view standing on the side at Odsal, ditto most stadiums in SL.

You even get great views at Mount Pleasant, Post Office Road.......


At Post Office Road the stand on the sideline where the club reception area and the players' change rooms are, has no elevation and hence no panorama. I know because I have sat there. As for the opposite side I don't remember. I do know that the highest view in the stadium is from the standing room only, and uncovered grassy hill behind one of the goal posts, near the car park.


QUOTE (West Country Eagle @ Aug 1 2010, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pointless thread.


Not pointless. There is a point that I have explained often about catering to fans and increasing the clubs' gate revenues.. You just haven't understood it.

Edited by ParisSurtout, 02 August 2010 - 02:56 AM.

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#46 mick wilson

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 02:44 AM

QUOTE (Wolford6 @ Aug 1 2010, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd never heard of it before so I checked it out on Wikipedia, got sidetracked and was surprised to learn that the ten biggest stadia in the USA are for college football teams, rather than for NFL teams.


The stadium here for UT in Austin, Texas holds approx 103'000 and rising as their always adding to it.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 08:06 AM

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Aug 2 2010, 04:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
At Post Office Road the stand on the sideline where the club reception area and the players' change rooms are, has no elevation and hence no panorama. I know because I have sat there. As for the opposite side I don't remember. I do know that the highest view in the stadium is from the standing room only, and uncovered grassy hill behind one of the goal posts, near the car park.



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That's quite clearly the description of Post Office Road by a man who couldn't find it!

#48 thirteenthman

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 09:20 AM

QUOTE (goldcard @ Aug 1 2010, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wilderspool wasn't that bad a place.
Maybe borderline 19th/20th century, but that's quite near 21st.
Can't think of any that rate pre-18th century, which is only 3 away really.

My first ever experience of RL was stood in the Fletcher Street end at Wilderspool. It didn't put me off though... biggrin.gif



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Posted 02 August 2010 - 09:29 AM

QUOTE (Jill Halfpenny fan @ Aug 1 2010, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Leichardt used to be pretty similar to Belle Vue but I'm not sure if the Wests Tigers still take the odd game there.



Its a secondary ground nowadays but still gets some games.

Redevelopment here
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#50 boxhead

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 09:41 AM

QUOTE (Lee @ Jul 31 2010, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was using Sydney clubs to base it on not the 2 you mentioned, my bad



No problem.
Sydney only averages less than 8 rainy days per month (more than 1mm) in the League season so I guess they take their chances with open areas.

Most grounds are not full each week and grounds like Parramatta Stadium offer reasonable undercover areas.


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Posted 02 August 2010 - 01:47 PM

QUOTE (Kiwi-Capper_merged @ Aug 2 2010, 04:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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That's quite clearly the description of Post Office Road by a man who couldn't find it!



That's quite clearly the comment of a man whose knowledge of Post Office Road has been picked up on the streets of Auckland, New Zealand.

I eventually found Post Office Road, though most residents of west Yorkshire, not to mention the residents of Greater Manchester, Lancashire, Cheshire, and all points south and north, would have had as hard a time as I had in finding it.

Had I known about the future appearance of this important thread back in 2007 when I visited Post Office Road, then perhaps I would have paid closer attention to the height of all the stands at Post Office Road.

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 02:34 PM

QUOTE (AndyCapp @ Aug 2 2010, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No problem.
Sydney only averages less than 8 rainy days per month (more than 1mm) in the League season so I guess they take their chances with open areas.

Most grounds are not full each week and grounds like Parramatta Stadium offer reasonable undercover areas.

Unless you're stood on the hill at either end, then you'll get wet. The ground not being full every week is not a particularly good reason not to provide shelter for the fans though.

And speaking from personal experience, it might not rain as often as in the UK but when it rains in Sydney, it rains!





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Posted 02 August 2010 - 05:49 PM


The long stand at Crown Flatt.

Watersheddings.

Post Office Rd on a December evening.

Craven Park, Barrow, with a good crowd.

Central Park.


Proper RL grounds enjoyed by RL fans - and all suitable for the 21st century that is being mapped out for the British populace.


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#54 boxhead

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Posted 02 August 2010 - 08:13 PM

QUOTE (thirteenthman @ Aug 2 2010, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Unless you're stood on the hill at either end, then you'll get wet. The ground not being full every week is not a particularly good reason not to provide shelter for the fans though.

And speaking from personal experience, it might not rain as often as in the UK but when it rains in Sydney, it rains!



The Hills at either end at Parramatta?

They went years ago, its all seated.

Heavy rains in Sydney usually happen in Summer its a sub tropical weather system.

Full Undercover grounds for 20-30 k fans would be impossible financially for basically regional suburban teams.
More people seem concerned about having the Sun in their eyes or getting sunburn than they are about the rain.

I have been to plenty of games in Australia and can count on one hand where the rain has been an issue.

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 08:27 AM

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Aug 1 2010, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"a" is singular and "criteria" is plural." In the English language they are meant to agree.

So I accidentally put an "a" in the sentence. It was late at night when I replied.
If that's the sole purpose of your argument that your criteria isn't stupid, then I rest my case. It's one of the first internet forum argument "tricks" for people who are desperate.
I won't uncover the grammatical errors in your post, by the way. I'm not that desperate (and someone else already has).

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Aug 1 2010, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I won't call you stupid because I know that your mind has been focused lately on deeper issues, like how many grounds you have been to where you have sat in all stands. The world has been waiting to know the answer to that one for decades!

I hope you aren't trying to sarcastically claim that you yourself are uncovering deeper issues here? Because all you seem to have done is attract ridicule for such an idiotic thread as per.
My thread was just for fun. And on top of that, it seems to have uncovered an issue that many people have that they didn't realise: that they tend to always stay in the same area when they go to a ground. Many people have said they want to try and move around a bit as a result.

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Aug 1 2010, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Try Belle Vue for a start. Then try the Willows for seconds...

If you stand a bit more towards the corner, you can see everything in one view.

I don't see how having a panoramic view is the requirement of a 21st-century stadium anyway? Very few people would like to be so far away from the acion that, although they can see everything, everthing is tiny (hence why Odsal is often criticised). Why do you think the seats towards the corners and and the top tiers (the ones with the most panoramic views) are cheaper?

Here's an idea - try turning your head at a game. Then you can see the whole pitch and it's a lot closer!

QUOTE (ParisSurtout @ Aug 1 2010, 05:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh, and before you start calling other people idiots, try learning the difference between "criterion" and "criteria." You are a native English speaker I take it.

It's quite clear that I meant "criteria" as was originally used, as there is more than one illogical criterion in your original post. It's the "a" that shouldn't have been there if it bothers you that much. Surely you knew that?
Now, if your going to question whether I know what "a" means, then you're truly clutching at straws!
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Posted 03 August 2010 - 08:41 AM

QUOTE (Wellsy4HullFC @ Aug 3 2010, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So I accidentally put an "a" in the sentence. It was late at night when I replied.
If that's the sole purpose of your argument that your criteria isn't stupid, then I rest my case. It's one of the first internet forum argument "tricks" for people who are desperate.
I won't uncover the grammatical errors in your post, by the way. I'm not that desperate (and someone else already has).


I hope you aren't trying to sarcastically claim that you yourself are uncovering deeper issues here? Because all you seem to have done is attract ridicule for such an idiotic thread as per.
My thread was just for fun. And on top of that, it seems to have uncovered an issue that many people have that they didn't realise: that they tend to always stay in the same area when they go to a ground. Many people have said they want to try and move around a bit as a result.


If you stand a bit more towards the corner, you can see everything in one view.

I don't see how having a panoramic view is the requirement of a 21st-century stadium anyway? Very few people would like to be so far away from the acion that, although they can see everything, everthing is tiny (hence why Odsal is often criticised). Why do you think the seats towards the corners and and the top tiers (the ones with the most panoramic views) are cheaper?

Here's an idea - try turning your head at a game. Then you can see the whole pitch and it's a lot closer!


It's quite clear that I meant "criteria" as was originally used, as there is more than one illogical criterion in your original post. It's the "a" that shouldn't have been there if it bothers you that much. Surely you knew that?
Now, if your going to question whether I know what "a" means, then you're truly clutching at straws!
This is an RL forum, not an English Language one. Use a bit of savvy.



How many grounds have you been in all of the Stands again Wellsy?
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Posted 03 August 2010 - 10:09 AM

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I have been to most of those:

KC in Hull
DW in Wigan
Galpharm in Huddersfield
Gilbert Brutus in Perpignan
Ernest Wallon in Toulouse
Elland Road in Leeds
The Stoop in London
Twickenham in London
Wembley in London
Murrayfield in Edinburgh
Milllenium in Cardiff


I've been to most of these and here's what I think.

Galpharm - award winning architecture, a very good stadium indeed.
KC - a fine stadium. Always enjoy the trips there.
DW - a good stadium but seems to be on an industrial estate miles from anywhere
Elland Road - I wouldn't spend another 80 minutes there under any circumstances. Not fit for the 21st century.
The Stoop - I really like it, but it's in the wrong place
Twickenham - dreadful soulless place which looks like a nuclear power station from outside
Wembley - fantastic, and designed by the same bloke that did the Galpharm. Have a look at the Galpharm roof, then have a look at the Wembley arch - notice the similarities?
Millenium - fantastic stadium

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 10:12 AM

QUOTE (Wellsy4HullFC @ Aug 3 2010, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't see how having a panoramic view is the requirement of a 21st-century stadium anyway? Very few people would like to be so far away from the acion that, although they can see everything, everthing is tiny (hence why Odsal is often criticised). Why do you think the seats towards the corners and and the top tiers (the ones with the most panoramic views) are cheaper?

Here's an idea - try turning your head at a game. Then you can see the whole pitch and it's a lot closer!


I think he probably means that every seat can see all the pitch with no posts holding the roof up or floodlight towers in the way. Most modern stadia have this.

Odsal doesn't for example.

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#59 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 10:15 AM

QUOTE (AndyCapp @ Aug 3 2010, 09:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How many grounds have you been in all of the Stands again Wellsy?
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#60 thirteenthman

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 10:19 AM

QUOTE (AndyCapp @ Aug 2 2010, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Hills at either end at Parramatta?

They went years ago, its all seated.

Heavy rains in Sydney usually happen in Summer its a sub tropical weather system.

Full Undercover grounds for 20-30 k fans would be impossible financially for basically regional suburban teams.
More people seem concerned about having the Sun in their eyes or getting sunburn than they are about the rain.

I have been to plenty of games in Australia and can count on one hand where the rain has been an issue.

You're right about Parramatta, but there is no cover at either end. Surely if Warrington, Widnes, Leigh, St Helens, etc. can provide cover on all sides then the NRL clubs should be able to.

Watched the Newcastle v Manly game yesterday. It was raining!






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